Either you prove speed isnt part of the boost or simply shut up, also from the translation above, energy in the body now doesnt affect your speed? You just dig yourself over this debate for the worst
Energy is used as a measure of AP (take the units of Joules, for instance). There is a speed increase, but nothing suggests it's by 10x. We cannot reach that conclusion, and I won't shut up just because you say I should, because I strongly believe in the accuracy of this
You keep saying nothing proves it as speed boost and your only argument is to the scene at hand is "hurr durr unknown speed", how many times will you repeat these low quality arguments? Which nobody agrees with you on, you are boring and tiring
"Which nobody agrees with you on" and that's why 3 evaluating staff agree with the revision, right?
Boosts to AP don't automatically equate to the same boost in speed unless it's stated that speed was boosted by the same amount. Multiplying energy by dozens of times compared to a normal human suggests an AP boost from where the humans scale, but "energy" isn't equivalent to speed. Take kinetic energy for instance. A 12x boost to KE comes from a much lower boost to speed. So while we can say there's a boost to speed from what we're shown, we can't exactly say it's the same boost to speed as it is to AP.
(Also yes, I'm more convinced of the multiplier to AP being legit with what Saman brought forward, but I just don't think the way it's applied is consistent with what the Devil Gene amp is)
Also cut your victim card, you werent insulted once and actual insults are things like "dumbass" , "idiot" etc, you werent called anything of sort, you are literally one of the most sensible people seen on the internet who takes anything said to him as an insult and victimizes himself over
I don't need to be directly called anything like that to point out the fact that you're being hostile as a result of me disagreeing with you. It's not too much to ask to have a civil discussion
Accusations which you try to frame as out of nowhere and uncalled for are justified, you lowball and ignore any sirt of argument against you, just repeating like a broken record and choose to insert what you believe ignoring the rest and not just me, all others who tell you arent cooking here at all
Regardless of how you feel, that has no place in this thread. If you feel THAT strongly about it, I encourage you to take it up with HR
"Personal scaling", its not my personal scaling its the actual scaling in the series, which once again i will repeat, you dont know anything at all and im not obliged to care of it or take it seriously just cuz its there
Especially when you try to justify against the multiplier cuz of 7-A and High 6-A, with former as wrong, you scale them off a lower character performing the feat, as if thats suppose to be the limit of the higher ones
There's no such thing as "the actual scaling" with how subjective power scaling is. If you take issue with the 7-A scaling, you're more than welcome to make a thread to change that. But in this current moment, we're arguing from that, because that's not what's being revised. You're on VSBW, so you argue based on VSBW ratings unless you're trying to change them, which this thread is not for
The suggestion by Saman with base forms being backscaled from multiplier was one of the best suggestions heard so far
Based on the current scaling, I can't agree with that because you're going from scaling to a 7-A feat to scaling to High 6-A without a new feat. Not to mention, backscaling off of a "dozens of" multiplier gets tricky because it could be any number of dozens when you're trying to backscale, whereas with upscaling there's a conservative minimum (that being at least 24x). It's very tricky to backscale when the multiplier isn't specific
UES exists and says no to you, the devil gene clearly is stated it boosts by that ammount and you try to say it doesnt when it does and tells that in front of your eyes, FTL doesnt go anywhere
UES doesn't automatically make it the same multiplier to speed. It needs to specifically also multiply speed by that same amount
Yeah no, only change happening is that the Super Devil form isnt where the multiplier starts from, it aint getting yeeted as a whole
I agree with changing how the multiplier is applied now, yes.
I will come up with the only solution as of now, till its tackled much later in a better way, with the following:
The devil gene is told in both the translation from Saman and the one curently had in the profiles that it increases by a certain ammount, 10 or dozens (dozen is 12 numerically, the plural would suggest minimum 24) respectively
Since the issues on the tier difference from base form to devil form is constantly brought up, a middle ground is the following, devil amps, which is the user still being in base form but uses the devil gene power while remaining in that state, we seen it several times done, Jin vs Azazel in Tekken 6, Jin vs Heihachi and Ogre/True Ogre in Tekken Bloodline and Kazuya vs Heihachi in Tekken 7 and even in Tekken 8 with Jin vs Hwoarang and Reina
Both Jin and Kazuya turned the tides of the fights once they had the amps used and their opponents were unable to keep up with them like before or were clearly outmatched at that point, as such the tier will be 7-A, [insert multiplied rating from base] with devil amps and as such the multiplier is in use and fixes the issue on the Super Devil form being above Devil form from that
Honestly, if this is a thing (I'm taking your word for it, but I don't know Tekken lore as well so scans would help), I'd be happy with this suggestion. With the current scaling, it'd be something like: "
7-A,
6-C with the Devil Gene"
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