As in real suns, as not an illusion. Superman thought he was seeint stuff since he was about to die, but then all these suns were moved closer to him by batman with the sun machine or whatever it was called.
The multiverse wasn't even made tho? At least not completely. We don't even see the new multiverse. This was meant to be an illusion created to illustrate what kind of future was waiting for them.
Please calm down. Nobody is arguing in bad faith here. There is just a disagreement. I also find it very stressful to argue for prolonged periods of time though, so I can relate.
I thought that the new multiverse was real, but the World Forger still had to replace the old one with it/send it to the 3rd Dimension, and that was all.
Not how I remember it. Basically the whole purpose of this arc was to kill superman and once his essense is stolen, his multiverse will be complete. Because hope - in this case superman - is integral to the multiverse. But he was gonna replace the multiverse anyway before superman overcame the absolute impossible and punched him, thus changing his stance on the current multiverse.
For example, in Action Comics 782, he had to power up to his limits within the Sun just to fight and move a living planet (Warworld):
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This is not the case. As AKM proved with his scan, they were regular stars, and as the stories that I linked to prove, Superman has powered up to his limit by absorbing energy before, and this completely contradicts the context.
Superman has a history to draw upon, and was explicitly stated to have been powered up to his Post-Crisis level from his Post-Flashpoint state not long previously to the World Forger story. I already showed you his Post-Crisis level above. He definitely cannot get many degrees of infinity more powerful just by standing inside of a star any time he feels like it. It was a dumb plot convention cheat from the writer that completely contradicted all other parts of Superman's greater narrative. That is all.
newer information from the current continuity should take priority over stuff from old ones
Except as we keep saying, it's a 1A space, 1A sun and he absorbs that. I don't even care what happens to the rating but ignoring clear cut context is just... Distasteful.
Couldn't agree more. We treat comic book characters like shit because of stuff that happened 50 years ago.
Once again, literally everything about the stars point to them being normal. It follows natural physics. It radiates energy that can be absorbed by Superman. It works on the principle of fusion. Hydrogen turns to Helium. You have to prove how these stars that function as completely normal stars are in fact radiating magical 1-A energy. I really don't get how people can just assume normal stars being magical 1-A energy balls just to explain a mere inconsistency and then ask others to prove their assumptions incorrect even though several things are pointing against it. This is not how it works. I am disappointed.
They had normal processes of atomic fusion within them and the new multiverse was still supposed to replace the old one with a mostly identical copy. We have been over this already.
It doesn't matter. It was during the last years of Superman's Post-Crisis era, during which he only had feats of this scale. Superman then spent around a decade powered-down during his awful Post-Flashpoint era, after which the two versions and their histories merged during Rebirth, and Superman was powered-up to his old Post-Crisis level. This happened not a long time before the World Forger storyline.
Let's downgrade all Supermen to below tier 4 then. Because 2-A star-powered guy doesn't make much more sense than 1-A.
AKM has given evidence for that they were regular stars, and the World Forger did not create a 1-A level multiverse, just one that would replace the regular 2-C 4-dimensional multiverse structure. You are also the ones who have to provide proof for your extraordinary claims, instead of speculation, and you have yet to do so.
they aren't falling into each other or being ripped apart by their gravities, so no
Superman was shown in the same comic that he contain energy from 5-D imps, so moot
None of that was ever stated
ah yes, things in a 1-A space aren't 1-A. Guess we are should downgraded every higher dimensional being that looks just a person because they look 3-D
2-A has a historical context, given that the Pre-Crisis Superman was of this level via explicit feats. 1-A is waaaaaayyyyyyyy beyond that.
Or you’re biased
In worst case we could give him an "Empowered by 6th-Dimensional Stars" key, but I am not really satisfied with the evidence for the extraordinary claims shown so far.
Strawman. I never said a star powered guy can't be more than tier 4. My point is that this particular boost received by sun dipping is inconsistent when compared to other similar instances and thus should be treated that way rather than us saying "oh sixth dimension so maybe this and that". It's as simple as that.
Right so, if you go to a 1A space, where everything is infinitely superior and the multiverse is the size of an anvil... why would anyone assume it's a 3D sun?
Well, so is everyone else.
Yes, but you do realise it's still a tier 1 sun, right? In a tier 1 space, right?
Except it does matter. This superman draws far more power than before. Unless someone wants to correct me.
Except it's not what matters. The argument is legit "stars aren't supposed to hold such energy".
hystorical context that DOESN'T APPLY to this Superman because it's a different continuity
Yes, of course. Post-Crisis Superman is one of my favourite characters of all time, and I am consistently obsessed with accuracy, and you do not seem to have a leg to stand on regarding reliable evidence for your claims, whereas my side has shown evidence, but I must have malicious intent and be driven by bias. Of course.
At this rate it's not even about tier 1. Its just to make sure that this feat is accounted for correctly and not leaving out crucial context.
