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Super Saiyan Blue Multiplier

DivineAura44 said:
I guess we can discuss whether or not 2-C God Goku is a thing in the future.
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Acknowledging SSB having a multipler won't do that, so there isn't anything else to discusse in this thread on that matter, if you just want to talk about mix dragonball stuff make a discussion post or go to the super discussion post
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Acknowledging SSB having a multipler won't do that, so there isn't anything else to discusse in this thread on that matter, if you just want to talk about mix dragonball stuff make a discussion post or go to the super discussion post
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I meant in a different thread (most likely staff discussion but what can you do)
 
Bernkastelll said:
db itself has scaling issues, like vegeta ssgod fighting against broly and losing but base goku fighting against him
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Bro,we know goku uses base on an opponent first plus I don't see base goku is above SSG vegeta.
Plus it's not even legit as goku SSG also got his ass also handed to him.
 
Teezar said:
Bro,we know goku uses base on an opponent first plus I don't see base goku is above SSG vegeta.
Plus it's not even legit as goku SSG also got his ass also handed to him.
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I know, I was just pointing it, broly punches should have destroyed base goku in the first blow
 
Broly should've not been canon, janemba should
But that's besides the point.
Who is going to do the speed chain for goku and the others now-
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I think SSB being SSG * SSJ1 kind of makes sense; though I should note that while we did accept SSJ as a 50x multiplier, there are still note worthy inconsistencies later on since an AP multiplier can often times be more than 50x. Hence Broly going from 3-A to Low 2-C via going SSJ1, Kefla also going from 3-A to Low 2-C via SSJ transformations, and most of all; Goku/Vegeta going from 3-A to Low 2-C via going from SSG to SSGSS.
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Fair points made especially on the inconsistencies; I am iffy about such inconsistencies in general so I will be neutral on the matter.
 
I don't mind the 50x multiplier for SSJB in the anime; although I'm pretty sure the manga version has stated SSJB is equal to or less than 10x SSJG back in the Universe 6 Tournament Arc.
 
If I remember correctly Whis was talking about the stamina of SSGSS cutting their power to 10% what it should be whenever they go ssgss so then they got the perfected version without stamina drain.
 
In the manga Whis said SSB Vegeta wasn’t even at 10% of his power.
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So 50x for the manga is valid.
 
Dont think about it in case of how much numerical jump the transformation gave tier wise but how much jump the transformation gave in regards to stats in comparison to opponents level so basically we know that SSB gave enough boost to Goku to remain on par with Jiren in episode 122 meaning the boost it gave to Goku is proportional to Jiren's stats at that time.And what is Jiren stats? Low 2-C AP and MFTL+ speed..so think of it in the way of boost SSB gave was enough to match Jiren's stats so meaning it would have to give boost putting Goku in Low 2-C in AP and boost which puts Goku in MFTL+ in speed hence being on par with Jiren at that time.If the boost was constant for AP and speed then his AP would match Jiren but his speed would be infinite meaning he would be blitzing Jiren which we know wasn't the case.So instead of trying to match speed boost with AP boost,try matching the overall boost with the opponent(Jiren) stats so it would align with what we have seen visually in the episode.

In short the boost it gave for AP and speed aren't proportional with numbers but proportional with matching all of Jiren's stats at that time so Goku didn't lag behind in any of 3 sectors of AP,speed and durability against Jiren.I know its confusing but hope it helps.

There are other instances in Dragon ball where this happened like Son Goku(TOEI verse) jumped from 5-A to High 5-A with a huge increase but only jumped from Relativistic to atleast FTL+ which isn't a comparable increase.
 
So we use the 50x as a lowball.
Now I have a quick question that I need to know it- answere.
When goku got ten times stronger after the black saga "since he was adele to fight hit in his ssb, while in U7 vs U6 he was fighting a heavily restricted hit, and needed ssb kk10". Did only his blue state got 10 times the increase or all of his forms got stronger
 
Orange said:
So we use the 50x as a lowball.
Now I have a quick question that I need to know it- answere.
When goku got ten times stronger after the black saga "since he was adele to fight hit in his ssb, while in U7 vs U6 he was fighting a heavily restricted hit, and needed ssb kk10". Did only his blue state got 10 times the increase or all of his forms got stronger
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Let's just say his relative maximum power in blue is what got stronger, as it makes the most sense, anything beyond that is relatively speculative, rather than question the implications for his other forms, as they likely don't lead to a tiering change anyway
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Let's just say his relative maximum power in blue is what got stronger, as it makes the most sense, anything beyond that is relatively speculative, rather than question the implications for his other forms, as they likely don't lead to a tiering change anyway
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It doesn't make sense, IF he only got stronger in blue, it would just increase the multiplier of blue.
But the safest option would be that he got stronger in all forms since that's the most logical way
 
Orange said:
It doesn't make sense, IF he only got stronger in blue, it would just increase the multiplier of blue.
But the safest option would be that he got stronger in all forms since that's the most logical way
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Well yes, likely nothing changed about SSB itself, I just ment that isn't something to talk about right now on This thread and his other forms increasing in power probably wouldn't affect there tiers
 
The tiers won't get effected yes, but their speed would very much.
Goku after the black saga, specifically in his rematch with hit he got 10x more powerful.
In the tournament of power after U1 sign 1, his performance in ssb was better when he performed in ssbkk20 before UI sign 1
Darkmon_cns said:
Well yes, likely nothing changed about SSB itself, I just ment that isn't something to talk about right now on This thread and his other forms increasing in power probably wouldn't affect there tiers
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Orange said:
So we use the 50x as a lowball.
Now I have a quick question that I need to know it- answere.
When goku got ten times stronger after the black saga "since he was adele to fight hit in his ssb, while in U7 vs U6 he was fighting a heavily restricted hit, and needed ssb kk10". Did only his blue state got 10 times the increase or all of his forms got stronger
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I assume all of his state since it seems that he got 10 times more powerful overall from U6 vs U7 arc until pre TOP.
 
Orange said:
The tiers won't get effected yes, but their speed would very much.
Goku after the black saga, specifically in his rematch with hit he got 10x more powerful.
In the tournament of power after U1 sign 1, his performance in ssb was better when he performed in ssbkk20 before UI sign 1
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I mean- there aren't even keys for them as far as I know /: so like- even the stuff for post the event would be a discussion for another time, not this thread-
 
Darkmon_cns said:
I mean- there aren't even keys for them as far as I know /: so like- even the stuff for post the event would be a discussion for another time, not this thread-
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There are keys for his ssb and stuff they are just a multipleier with neat stuff.
And they should discuss in this thread because if this gets accepted it will effect their speed rating very much
 
Can anybody make a list of staff members who have commented and what they agree with?
 
AKM sama said:
Can anybody make a list of staff members who have commented and what they agree with?
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Planck69
KingTempest
DarkDragonMedeus
DemonGodMitchAubin
SomebodyData
They all agree with Blue being x50 over God. SomebodyData believes it is also valid for the manga.

Elizhaa is neutral.
 
I agree with the Blue having the ssj multiplier.

I will not argue how this affects the scaling with other characters, I already disagree with the current DBS anime scaling and I will not enter an infinite discussion about it.

Btw, if this CRT also affects the manga, some characters may reach 3-A, but that's not to be discussed here.
 
SamanPatou said:
I agree with the Blue having the ssj multiplier.

I will not argue how this affects the scaling with other characters, I already disagree with the current DBS anime scaling and I will not enter an infinite discussion about it.

Btw, if this CRT also affects the manga, some characters may reach 3-A, but that's not to be discussed here.
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Well I have a question about manga rating.
What speed do they currently scale from btw? I always check thier profile and it really doesn't tell me much.
 
Goku and Vegeta upscale from their DBZ counterparts, then become faster with each power up. The rest is scaling.
 
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