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Summary
As the title implies, for this thread, I'll attempt to bring back the Multi-Solar System rating for the Super Mario Bros based upon different proposals I thought of and the Grand Star key along with two new calculations I did for the series. Without further ado, let's-a go!
Multi-Solar System AP via Creation/Environmental Destruction
This was discussed in a previous thread when I was arguing for different tiers after the downgrade. First, let's take a look at some of the scans and instances where Multi-Solar System level AP is supposedly displayed:- In Yoshi's Story, Baby Bowser transforms Yoshi's Island into a pocket reality with a starry sky.
- In Super Mario RPG, after Exor's death, it is revealed that he affected the planet, Star Road, the moon, and even outer space coupled with tens of stars.
- In Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam, Paper Mario has an attack with his Trio Meteor which creates a realm with quite a few stars in it.
- Millennium Star, the final boss of Mario Party 3, is capable of creating a background full of stars.
Who should have 4-A AP?
We're only going to give the Multi-Solar System Environmental Destruction to Bowser for this part. The reason being is because the context behind it in the intro to Yoshi's Story. "Only Baby Bowser could be so mean, to, ruin the happy Yoshis dream" and '"If we grow Super Happy" the Yoshis thought, "we'll spoil Bowser's evil plot"' would imply that this was all done by Bowser."B-b-but Joe, what about Exor's feat? And the Trio Meteor and Millennium Star?"
Unfortunately, we can't apply this to the Meteor Trio or the Millennium Star, because we don't have sufficient proof that they're making a dimension. Exor's death doesn't make much of a difference in this regard, either, as it mostly looks more like Multi-Stellar Range instead of Attack Potency. While you could argue that Exor's feat is a destruction feat, there isn't sufficient context that would prove this is the case.Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Maverick_Zero_X (Agrees with 4-A Bowser), @Deagonx (Same as Maverick), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Same as Maverick),
Disagree:
Neutral:
Grand Star
Why should characters have 3-C ratings again?
The reasoning is the same as in the previous thread when I proposed bringing back the Power Star key for everybody. The whole objective of the Super Mario Galaxy games is to collect as many Power Stars as you can so you can face off against Bowser who is amped by a Grand Star. As I stated before, Bowser Jr. HEAVILY implies that the bosses who are refought are juiced up by The Grand Stars (which Power Stars should be similar to) and used them to obtain the form they take now. This should mean that the Grand Stars function in the same way that Power Stars do whenever users of them collect and draw power from them.For this reason, I suggest we give everyone a Grand Star key and/or "up to 3-C with enough Power Stars" for their Power Star key.
Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:
Adding two new calculations to Mario's profile
Recently, I did two calculations from Super Mario Land to further justify the current 6-C and Massively FTL+ ratings the cast currently has. They have already been evaluated once and two other CGMs on the forums don't seem to have a problem with them. I was going to also calculate several other FTL feats for the series, but it will take me some time to find them.How much time does the cloud feat take?
The cited manual from page 3 states that "the skies of Sasaraland were suddenly covered by a huge black cloud", so we can safely assume it was done very quick (ergo suddenly)/within a short timespan, rather than being done overtime. So I wouldn't see this as any particular reason for contention.Agree: @Psychomaster35, @CloverDragon03, @DarkDragonMedeus, @ActuallySpaceMan42
Disagree:
Neutral:
Conclusion
There are several other reasons I could list as to why the 4-A and 3-C ratings should be brought back, but as of now, I think the ones I listed should be enough. Plus, I think we should emphasize more on the characters' base statistics with more calculations as I believe it would justify the tiering they are currently at now.Here are the proposed changes to Mario's profile should this get accepted.
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