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You're definitely proving yourself to be better at that tactic rnAnd please, this isn’t proving anything, unless your tactic is making yourself look silly
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You're definitely proving yourself to be better at that tactic rnAnd please, this isn’t proving anything, unless your tactic is making yourself look silly
I mean, if you want to waste energy throwing insults at people for something so minimal then be my guest, I’ll still be hereYou're definitely proving yourself to be better at that tactic rn
I’m not the creator of this purposed fiction, so I wouldn’t know, I’d only know it be flawed to say this character without statements and feats to back it upTell me, how many times in fiction do we see the logic that something powered up, let's say, by the energy of the sun, don't use that power and instead do minor feats. What is the point of it all if they're gonna do minor feats only?
If I had the same amount of energy as the Sun inside me but I was as durable as a human and I was slammed on the head and stabbed, I’d probably not be feeling well for a whileNot to mention I'm pretty sure that half the time Mario exhausts the opponents which means they are out of energy, meaning they used it, but don't quote me on that, my memory can be foggy about mario games.
Depends, for a magical item like the Power Star your more or less tapping into the energy like a separate reserve (I mean, we can even see that the Power Star come out of defeated enemies clearly still with energy so they didn’t use all of it), kinda like a Sink, your sink can’t hold an entire towns water supply and specially not blast it all at once, but it can spew that water over time, and if someone clogged the pipe the Sink would be brokenPretty sure that just the capability of containing the energy of a star within yourself means you are WAY more durable than a human. A human turns half to ashes from a surge of electricity, do you really think someone with even city level durability would be enough to contain the energy of something that effortlessly exudes high 6-C to high 6-A bursts like it's nothing?
MegaLegThe megabug (was that the name?) mentioned above completely drained a power star. He absorbed it's energy. This disproves that they are using it from a separate reserve
It still doesn't mean that it could contain the energy of a star, it literally absorbed pure energy into itself, you need to be durable enough to actually hold that energy.
In our case, the character would be the sink, but it would take the water of an entire reservoir all at the same time which would make it burst open.
In our example it would be like plugging one of those giant underground cables coming directly from an electric station into an average microwave. You know what would happen? The microwave would melt, at least the wires. You know what will happen if we use an average cable? The cable would melt.
Thanks for summing it up. I think the black holes would need a separate thread entirely.Oh okay.
Feats That Require More Discussion
Bye Bye Cannon - the feat potentially has a big issue in that at the speeds they were launched and crossed the horizon, it should've taken longer for them to appear from the other side of the screen if they truly "travelled the world" which lends credence to the idea it's just a screen transition gag like the one Bowser pulled on the Koopa Cruiser and they didn't actually travel the entire circumference of the Earth. There's also the fact the "planet" they travel across can be traversed in chase sequences too, which can have circular arenas you can use the Bye-Bye Cannon in and you can traverse them or use the Cannon while within castles that shouldn't even be spherical nor a planet like the calc assumes. Could just be part of the battle system.
Possibly DK Moon Punch - Dependent on if certain scenarios play out like accepting DK as part of Mario again and trying to upgrade Dark Bowser's feat because of the scale of the Mushroom Kingdom in Odyssey where it was at it's biggest and is even more inconsistent in size than the Moon that DK punched since the Moon has almost always been treated like our real-life moon in Mario.
Power Stars creating realms - The "stars" Wiggler claims to see aren't provably true stars. It isn't an astrologer so we can't claim it to be a reliable source. The fact these are worlds in paintings as well makes the nature of these stars even more questionable. We'd need more proof.
Mario Party 4 Star Feat - Unclear if the "Stars" in Mario Party are Power Stars, and even if they were, the entire game takes place inside the Party Cube, which we have no way of knowing if those stars the Star manipulated are even actual stars.
Raphael - While I don't agree, people seem to think it's invalid as a gag feat and also that it's for some reason some self-destruction unique to Raphael rather than anything scalable.
Pretty much any black hole feat
Stadium Explosion - The stadium wasn't even damaged and the characters are only slightly harmed or dazed. The damage should've been far worse for what the blast radius showed. Also, members of the fodder audience also tanked it.
Dark Bowser's hurricane - Unknown if it scales to physicals as it was just a passive storm it whipped up and I don't believe there's proof it can control it either or weaponize it. His actual magic is much different in behavior. Related to Dark Bowser, the Dark Star dissipating the clouds was just an actual case of self-destruction and doesn't scale to anyone.
Other storm feats would need proof they scale to physicals or use a similar source to that of a person's other attacks
Moon Cannon - The timeframe is assumed based on the average person's ability to hold their breath, but we've seen many times that Mario's breath control in inconsistent, sometimes even being infinite -- kind of why we have "Underwater Breathing" listed under his profile. So this assumption should not be used, and thusly, we have no actual timeframe for the feat. It could've taken anywhere from as long as seconds to multiple minutes, a range that indeed changes results signifcantly.
Castle Punt - If Raphael is a gag, then this is a very clear example of one. Also can be argued the castle's size is inconsistent, making it range from 8-C at the lowest to as high as Low 7-C. We should discuss which is more appropriate.
King Olly folding the world - Just needs more discussion in general. In a previous thread it was proven Olly's ability can translate to AP and the proposed tier for him got rejected because "world" coulf simply refer to the planet, which is exactly what I would propose.
Shadow Queen Statement - While yes, most statements of "destroy the world" are vague and can merely refer to surface wiping, rarely have I seen cases where it's specified the ENTIRE WORLD in all caps like that is in danger of being destroyed. It's also in clear contrast to the characters stating they would just rule or conquer the world beforehand. It seems pretty clear it's physical too, but I'll save it for that discussion.
The Fan Thing Card from Color Splash rotating the planet - This just needs a calc, really.
Kamek Casting a Storm to Flood the Planet - Just needs a calc or for us to decide which tier it fits in.
Mecha-Bowser in Toy Time Galaxy getting pulverized - Just needs a calc
Megaleg's Self-Destruction - Only possibly scalable but it needs a calc before that can happen
Completely Rejected/Unusable Feats
Kamek's Tornado - Flawed Mapscaling. We later find out it warped/corrupted the area inside the tornado and may have just been a fancy magical reality warp barrier. Wouldn't support a Tier high than 8 anyways given the castle is consistently just a regular castle in size.
Bowser almost dying to a castle
There's likely WAAYYY more but this is all that was in the thread I believe.
Made a calc for this last nightThe Fan Thing Card from Color Splash rotating the planet - This just needs a calc, really.
I think so, either a 5-B or High 6-A statement.The Shadow Queens statement is saying she will destroy the entire world, correct?
Not really, the issue is that because of Mario and his opponents Size and position, they’d absolutely not take the full force of the Fans Blast, how to calculate that seems near impossibleDwarf Star. Neat. Only a single tier below and few numbers away from Tier 4, so a good supporting feat IMO.
It's not near impossible, but damn is it difficult. Biggest issue is trying to figure out how much lighter/weaker the wind from the fan would be by the time it hits Mario and his opponents.Not really, the issue is that because of Mario and his opponents Size and position, they’d absolutely not take the full force of the Fans Blast, how to calculate that seems near impossible
No, that is absolutely not the case.most verses assume one attack unless it is an outlier or proven otherwise
No, it’s wholly context dependent.Isn't it?
Nope. If context doesn't suggest anything one way or the other we consider the feat unusable since it could be over time.Isn't it?
I'd much rather Varies then god damn unknown...Anyways, if apparently everything is complete boosh after nitpicking to ******* hell and back I'm about to just say to rate Mario at Unknown cause this is real annoying.
Assuming that IS true, then that would be an issue with the whole wiki, but as several others have pointed out, it seems to not be the case.most verses assume one attack unless it is an outlier or proven otherwise