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In the Japanese version it says "monstrous world", so pretty damn similar to the DS versionEh, Japanese directly says so. And 64 DS is not counted as taking precedence now because 3-D All-Stars is the most recent release or something
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In the Japanese version it says "monstrous world", so pretty damn similar to the DS versionEh, Japanese directly says so. And 64 DS is not counted as taking precedence now because 3-D All-Stars is the most recent release or something
This Means nothingBy the way, Mario was stated that he would be able to conquer the universe due to sheer power,
A Sun so small it’s held in a disco balland the fact he could defeat Hole Puncher, who could punch out the sun.
Conquering =/= Destroying. Alexander the Great would not be Tier 6 just for cutting the Gordian Knot and being declared the ruler of all Asia, and to use a fictional example (Since Mario is, y'know, fictional), the Emperor is not 3-C for for saying the Sith will rule the galaxy.By the way, Mario was stated that he would be able to conquer the universe due to sheer power, and the fact he could defeat Hole Puncher, who could punch out the sun. And, He can fight and trade blows with characters amplified by power stars which can create starry skies and stars.
So I do think cosmic mario is consistent
Thread kinda died. Can you summarize which of the feats were deemed unusable here and which of them require more discussion (I lost track). Let's get the already discussed ones out of the way so that the ones that need discussion can be brought up in a separate thread for convenience.Certain feats definitely do require more discussion. Everything deserves the same amount of scrutiny.
The Sun in the painting world is there and has a shine just like a real sun I believeWhen have we seen actual stars? I can't recall
I mean, his statement was that he does not need the power star because he can already see stars from his ceiling, that seems to be indicating that he sees them in the painting world, plus the fact he didn't mention his original home onceI’m not entirely sure why the wiggler’s statement has to be about the Painting world anyway, Bowser created the worlds not the people inside them, he placed minions in there to my knowledge, Wiggler could just be talking about there original home looking at the night sky
Considering the Painting worlds seem to fad away (Bowser even says he can feel the peace returning to the land and you never see them again) upon Bowsers defeat yet his Minions like King Bob-Omb and Whomp King are still around I’d assume there not nativeI mean, his statement was that he does not need the power star because he can already see stars from his ceiling, that seems to be indicating that he sees them in the painting world, plus the fact he didn't mention his original home once
(Also, citation needed for placing minions)
That’s not a reason for Variable, that’s a reason for not scaling to a items power"They can't be proven to have used that power or all of that power"
They use there power but how much is unknown without evidenceThey definitely do use their power though so I legit don't get why that is even an argument to make at all.
They amplify characters onto Mario's and Luigi's level so we know they amplify it by a big dealThey use there power but how much is unknown without evidence
A Battery isn’t a Variable power source, we know how much it has stocked up, but how much Battery Power a machine uses and how much it can use at once isn’t set, a microwave is not gonna use Planet Level energy even if you strapped it to a Planet Level Battery
And what is Mario and Luigi’s level?They amplify characters onto Mario's and Luigi's level so we know they amplify it by a big deal
No matter how high of a setting you make a Microwave have, it will not output Planet Level energy, even with a Planet Level Battery, it is not built for that, having motivation isn’t reasoning for them being able to use all of it’s energyWe don't need evidence when Bowser wants Mario dead. Why would we assume he nor his minions he commands are using less power than what has been shown?
This isn’t an argument about them purposely holding back energy, it’s proof they can even use that energy at all at once, even Infinite energy sources will only count towards infinite stamina unless proven otherwise100% agreed with Fox here.
There isn't a reason to assume if someone wants someone else dead that they wouldn't use all the power at their disposal without evidence of such. And there isn't any here to my knowledge.
He was using there energy to power machines which could create things technically but I suppose that’s a point, though it doesn’t make the 4-A Creation in 64 translatableHm, yes, Bowser almost killing Grand Stars to utilise their energy for creation feats of galaxies, dark matter, and stars shows he definitely wasn't using as much of their power as he could to accomplish things.
If you want to downgrade other verses be my guest, in terms of Machinery, just because someone makes a Planet creator machine doesn’t mean they can make a Planet Destroyer Machine inherently, different fields altogetherAnd I can't wait for all the mechs powered by macguffin feats to be unquantifiable because "batteries can't grant AP". Wait, why are those ones valid? Are you gonna say "they were built to control that power"? Okay then who's to say his machines weren't???
Skill with a weapon yields higher AP, a Slice done properly will cut more things then a Clumsy Slash done by a Newcomer, hell this translates to your very own fistsA katana is completely different from what we're talking about. That is skill and this is AP. You don't need skill to be able to slice at least some part of a melon with a sword.
Why not?, us as humans can’t take limitless energy ether you know, or channel all our energy into one movement on the flythis example doesn't work for the organic bosses at all
We don’t know how long Bowser had them, his creation of the worlds and take over has no time frameSkill with a weapon translates to higher AP. Okay, and what higher AP would these bosses get for being "skillful" with the Power Stars?
Bowser was a novice at using them.
“X Failed me” is a common line to mean many things, a Genius could say “my Intelligence failed me”, that doesn’t make them not a Genius and they wouldn’t be wrongwe even hear him admit to being taken aback by failures cause he just expected that power to automatically grant him a win over Mario, which also shows he WAS directly trying to use their power in the ficht as well.
This doesn’t really prove the organic bosses characters (I mean hell using this example actually debunks even Bowser using the full power of the Grand Star) can use the power source but fair enough for the Grand Star Machines I supposeAlso another note with the "battery" thing:
If these were functionally comparable to batteries then we have even more reason to scale them because most power sources aren't instantly drained by the product they're powering. Grand Stars? Megaleg had only just gotten booted up by Bowser Jr. and when you see the Grand Star it's brown and dull just like the first Grand Star Bowser was trying to kill via draining all of it's energy. This means Megaleg sapped that Grand Star to near death in mere minutes at most. This is the first boss.
So tell me again why we shouldn't think the logical thing here and assume every other boss/machine must've been doing the same?
Naming doesn’t really change a object being able to do multiple near unrelated stuff, a Object filled with power can have HaxFor Power Stars, everything they do is magic and/or energy-based. To claim the items whose sole roles and purposes are to power up whatever thing they are to protect have a specific ability that doesn't scale to their power is just not logical to me. The reason they are called Power Stars is because they supply power -- power which can be used to accomplish feats of strength on a greater scale than before. They can be used both magically and physically.
This is a Natural Ability of King Bob-Omb, we see him do it even without a Power Star in his other appearancesKing Bob-Omb can spawn Bob-Ombs which can be used to hurt him. A creation being used against a Power Star user.
No Timeframe was given to how long bowser and his minions had the power stars, and really being Bowser I’d be naturally inclined to assume he can get a handle on Magical powers better then most of his troops, certainly faster then a Bob-OmbThey had access to the same power Bowser did. Regardless of their skill level Bowser did a 4-A feat without any prior knowledge and was a novice just like them.
It’s ironic you use the Term “Headcanon” against me after saying this, the fact is that King Bob-Omb spawning Bob-Ombs is a common ability he has, amp’d or notKing Bob-Omb does spawn Bob-Ombs, but that ability happens long after 64 DS. He could've learned to do so from the Power Star and simply kept the ability after. Either way, it's still a case of an amped person using their (we'd naturally assume) amped abilities and those abilities harming them and not one-shotting them either. Yoshi uses an unconventional method but Mario, Luigi, and Wario can just chuck his ass and harm him as well.
Bowser being a Novice is also speculative, fact is it’s unquantifiable, Bowser could’ve spread the power stars right before Mario showed up, he could’ve trained them (though we also wouldn’t know if that training got to that level, I mean being trained by a master doesn’t make you a master in a few hours), the best we have are feats, and King Bob-Omb is lacking on direct featsAs for the second thing, that's like, your own headcanon? By that logic what's to say he didn't train them to be able to use the most of their power? He DOES train them in canon and he apparently had SO much time, right?
And please, this isn’t proving anything, unless your tactic is making yourself look sillyYou seem to be out of good arguments if you're resorting to that as evidence against something.