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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

ZillertheBucko said:
I would advise that you have a response to literally anything else I said
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The rest of your argument is adding numbers to the graph that aren’t there, like many other people have already done, and trying to argue an unreasonably high multiplier based on it. It’s nothing new.

And really, I just find the scaling chain funny. Back when Orochi was 5-C+, he was only 1.3x away from baseline Low 5-B, and we couldn’t even give Boros and Tatsumaki a full upscale from that.

If a 1.3x difference didn’t get fully accepted, then a 2x ain’t getting accepted, 9x ain’t getting accepted, and certainly not 64x or 80x.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Funny how you're saying they're ignoring you when you're ignoring them, while you're trying to place headcanon on a graph.
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LordTracer said:
The rest of your argument is adding numbers to the graph that aren’t there, like many other people have already done, and trying to argue an unreasonably high multiplier based on it. It’s nothing new.

And really, I just find the scaling chain funny. Back when Orochi was 5-C+, he was only 1.3x away from baseline Low 5-B, and we couldn’t even give Boros and Tatsumaki a full upscale from that.

If a 1.3x difference didn’t get fully accepted, then a 2x ain’t getting accepted, 9x ain’t getting accepted, and certainly not 64x or 80x.
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which all makes it extremely evident that you haven't been reading my replies
I would argue that the units absolutely do not matter at all here, since it's just a multiplier, it's not an addition-based amp at all
two times the amount of meters in length is going to be two times, two times the feet in length is going to be two times
it doesn't matter what the units are on either axis, we know that it is at least from the start to the end of the fight, and the y axis is irrelevant for reasons above
the image I gave is a more easy to comprehend visual explanation, but conveniently you completely failed to even acknowledge it, and are continuing to completely strawman me by saying "I am trying to add numbers". No, what I am doing is the inverse, by saying I'm not adding numbers, the numbers don't actually matter.
Like, I'm fully aware that you are choosing to ignore details for the sake of downplaying, or perhaps you are just dedicated to making it look like you won an argument on the internet, but you choose to cherry pick a non vital piece of an argument and then use an all encompassing straw man phrase of "adding numbers where they don't exist" when that doesn't apply at all to, and frankly contradicts the rest of what I am arguing.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
I would argue that the units absolutely do not matter at all here, since it's just a multiplier, it's not an addition-based amp at all
two times the amount of meters in length is going to be two times, two times the feet in length is going to be two times
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If this is still what you think I was arguing then you didn’t read when I explained this.

And as I’ve said before, it’s not a multiplier because there’s nowhere in the chapter that shows a multiplier. Your explanation of the graph is entirely your headcanon, and doesn’t even make sense (i.e. you have it going from a 1 to 2 even though it doesn’t even reach the next line of the graph), and your claim of it being a 64x multiplier is just completely unsupported.
ZillertheBucko said:
Like, I'm fully aware that you are choosing to ignore details for the sake of downplaying, or perhaps you are just dedicated to making it look like you won an argument on the internet
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If you’re so confident in your argument, why do you feel the need to resort to crying downplay?
 
StekFence said:
And sometimes you still don’t get the multiplier after having statements
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Well, that presumably was due to contradictions, lack of evidence or not fulfilling certain standards though I can only guess without concrete examples.
 
LordTracer said:
And as I’ve said before, it’s not a multiplier because there’s nowhere in the chapter that shows a multiplier. Your explanation of the graph is entirely your headcanon, and doesn’t even make sense (i.e. you have it going from a 1 to 2 even though it doesn’t even reach the next line of the graph), and your claim of it being a 64x multiplier is just completely unsupported.
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and this is just you having difficulty reading the visual so I'd be happy to explain
due to the fact that the serious punch squared starts at around 1/4 of a single square, it going up to 2/4 of a square would mean it doubled due to .25 * 2 = 2/4 or .5, which is why it doesn't reach the next line up, as going from 1/4 to 1 would be a 4 times increase
which is why he got around 64 times stronger from start to finish, because assuming that he starts at 1/4 of a square, knowing that the final shiny bald saitama head ends at around 16 squares, it would end up being around 64 times
it's essentially just a math problem, in which the units remain unknown but we still know how many times higher they got. if the first point is X, then the last point is 64x regardless of what X is
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/844777414596755475/1002658990729216081/unknown.png
(image again for convenience since we made a new page)
after about 10.5 units on the X axis is the length of the entire fight up to that point, and about 16 units on the Y is the power saitama grew to at that point in the fight
LordTracer said:
If you’re so confident in your argument, why do you feel the need to resort to crying downplay?
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"If you're so confident that I'm wrong, why do you resort to disagreeing with me saying he's weaker"
🗿
 
but uh, I'm gonna postpone the rest of this argument
it could be potentially catastrophic for both of our arguments depending on how the redraw goes
 
ZillertheBucko said:
due to the fact that the serious punch squared starts at around 1/4 of a single square
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Oh, so you’re just eyeballing the graph to get these values.
ZillertheBucko said:
which is why he got around 64 times stronger from start to finish, because assuming that he starts at 1/4 of a square, knowing that the final shiny bald saitama head ends at around 16 squares, it would end up being around 64 times
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And here you acknowledge that you’re just assuming he starts at 1/4, and you have to make that assumption to get the 64x multiplier.

An assumption + no directly stated multiplier + no consensus on what the multiplier is, if there even is one (cause so far, I’ve seen 64x, 80x and a bunch of people that just want the 9x upscale) = multiplier not getting accepted
ZillertheBucko said:
"If you're so confident that I'm wrong, why do you resort to disagreeing with me saying he's weaker"
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I’m not arguing he’s weaker, I’m arguing that he’s unquantifiably stronger than the value he’s calced it. You’re the one arguing he got 64x stronger.
ZillertheBucko said:
but uh, I'm gonna postpone the rest of this argument
it could be potentially catastrophic for both of our arguments depending on how the redraw goes
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Aye, I suppose we can wait until next week to see what happens.
 
Idk what you guys are going on about but the only way it can be used for a multiplier is if you say that the bottom line would equate to zero strength. We dont know what the baseline on that graph is supposed to be sadly.

Given the feat they performed isnt far off 3-C though and how rapidly saitama adapted along with every other factor, it isnt unsafe to assume he can adapt to anybody within 4-A.
 
Oh, I definitely think one could argue Saitama’s adaptation goes that far in a versus match not sure why you would tbh, just argue he gets far stronger than his opponent, but it’s not something that’d get listed on his profile.
 
RethPo said:
Idk what you guys are going on about but the only way it can be used for a multiplier is if you say that the bottom line would equate to zero strength. We dont know what the baseline on that graph is supposed to be sadly.

Given the feat they performed isnt far off 3-C though and how rapidly saitama adapted along with every other factor, it isnt unsafe to assume he can adapt to anybody within 4-A.
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well we actually do know, since their lines never actually hit zero, and never will due to it being exponential
 
LordTracer said:
Oh, I definitely think one could argue Saitama’s adaptation goes that far in a versus match not sure why you would tbh, just argue he gets far stronger than his opponent, but it’s not something that’d get listed on his profile.
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Tbh that saitama vs hulk animation makes a lot more sense under the new ratings now

minus the fact they didn’t accidentally wreck the whole solar system
 
Saitama, Fubuki and Garou are Murata's top favorite right?

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Ryukama said:
I love how we still got Saitama at Moon Level lmfao
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because we're waiting till the end of the arc. Which considering like, a day after 168 came out Murata talked about some "fixes", caution might be rewarded. Lord knows even without that, we've had other feats retconned the very next week due to redraws, or had things properly explained like 2 chapters later
 
I dunno about y’all, but I’d rather leave the profiles unedited for a while than speed through some revisions and have them get retconned out of existence a week later (cough Low 5-B Garou and 5-B Saitama)
 
LordTracer said:
I dunno about y’all, but I’d rather leave the profiles unedited for a while than speed through some revisions and have them get retconned out of existence a week later (cough Low 5-B Garou and 5-B Saitama)
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not just retconning either. Sometimes things will be confusing/vague, and people will argue for pages about it, only for it to get explained in the next chapter or two
 
saitama: what exactly is god, is he a universal being that controls space-time or something like that
blast: it is something beyond that, tell them elf (I have no name)
elf: god is considered by living beings as a being beyond what is possible, normally his foreign body, it looks like meat, but it is not meat, it looks like something without form, it looks like something intangible and purely mental and spiritual, it is something Quite strange to describe, it has powers of manipulation of laws, gravity, space, time, dimension, causality, mind, spirit, and many other powers, such as omnipresence.
saitama: being everywhere, wait, that means it can be in my stomach(oh no,that feelsbad)
space king lion: theoretically yes, but because the mind and soul are independent, god does not have total control over the body of the people, unless they want to be able to
yagi (the one from the boros race): wishes can be fulfilled by god, from wanting to destroy planets, stars, galaxies even the power of the universe itself
blast: garou is an example, he gained the power of the universe and can control everything that has to do with the universe, even his knowledge transcended to a universe and he can know the powers of other universes and dimensions (such as copying the hyperspace gates) but that would not be possible without the divine power of god.
saitama:
where is god?
blast: it is... very difficult to know that, because he is simply in practically an unknown place that does not exist anywhere in existence
elf: to be simpler, in existence there are at least hundreds of billions of stars per galaxy, and there are trillions of galaxies in the universe, and proportional to that, there are an infinite number of universes only in this dimension(4D)which is just a plane of existence divided into layers, the next dimension is difficult to be in without a hyperspace portal the number of dimensions is unknown,but according to me and my psykic powers in interdimensions, there are at least 3.5 to 50 million dimensions,and god is not found in any of them.
space king lion:and believe us,we were traveling through existence for millennia, practically through universes with different space-time, looking for cubes, facing avatars, but even with that, we found no trace of god.
saitama:so...what i understand is that god,is practically a being beyond all existence
blast:exactly,all universes and dimensions,are all nothing to god,god controls everything in a scale beyond our scope,but,we have a way to try to stop god,and that's is protecting earth,because that's were there is a dimensional seal,that contains one of gods avatars,if we stop that god avatar,then god will never awake in a true form
saitama: ok,protecting earth is the plan then.
all:yes
saitama:then i will protect earth at all cost
 
Now that I think about it, seeing as Blast showed up right after the GRB to stop Garou from attacking the Heroes, and likely saw all previous events before Garou getting defeated by Saitama's "Zero Punch", not to mention he obviously knows Garou was enhanced with divine power, Blast might still realize that Saitama is powerful.

Or this is cope.
 
Still think blast is stronger than Saitama ngl
I mean Saitama won with zero punches but blast didn’t even show up, making him win in negative punches
 
Alexander said:
saitama: what exactly is god, is he a universal being that controls space-time or something like that
blast: it is something beyond that, tell them elf (I have no name)
elf: god is considered by living beings as a being beyond what is possible, normally his foreign body, it looks like meat, but it is not meat, it looks like something without form, it looks like something intangible and purely mental and spiritual, it is something Quite strange to describe, it has powers of manipulation of laws, gravity, space, time, dimension, causality, mind, spirit, and many other powers, such as omnipresence.
saitama: being everywhere, wait, that means it can be in my stomach(oh no,that feelsbad)
space king lion: theoretically yes, but because the mind and soul are independent, god does not have total control over the body of the people, unless they want to be able to
yagi (the one from the boros race): wishes can be fulfilled by god, from wanting to destroy planets, stars, galaxies even the power of the universe itself
blast: garou is an example, he gained the power of the universe and can control everything that has to do with the universe, even his knowledge transcended to a universe and he can know the powers of other universes and dimensions (such as copying the hyperspace gates) but that would not be possible without the divine power of god.
saitama:
where is god?
blast: it is... very difficult to know that, because he is simply in practically an unknown place that does not exist anywhere in existence
elf: to be simpler, in existence there are at least hundreds of billions of stars per galaxy, and there are trillions of galaxies in the universe, and proportional to that, there are an infinite number of universes only in this dimension(4D)which is just a plane of existence divided into layers, the next dimension is difficult to be in without a hyperspace portal the number of dimensions is unknown,but according to me and my psykic powers in interdimensions, there are at least 3.5 to 50 million dimensions,and god is not found in any of them.
space king lion:and believe us,we were traveling through existence for millennia, practically through universes with different space-time, looking for cubes, facing avatars, but even with that, we found no trace of god.
saitama:so...what i understand is that god,is practically a being beyond all existence
blast:exactly,all universes and dimensions,are all nothing to god,god controls everything in a scale beyond our scope,but,we have a way to try to stop god,and that's is protecting earth,because that's were there is a dimensional seal,that contains one of gods avatars,if we stop that god avatar,then god will never awake in a true form
saitama: ok,protecting earth is the plan then.
all:yes
saitama:then i will protect earth at all cost
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Alexander fra
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Still think blast is stronger than Saitama ngl
I mean Saitama won with zero punches but blast didn’t even show up, making him win in negative punches
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Considering that the energy of the Serious Punch Squared was too much for Blast to handle solo, and we can assume that means it's above his actual physical power, although he could contain it very briefly, I'd say Blast isn't vastly inferior to Saitama, but probably would still be weaker if Saitama went all out. I think Saitama would have mid-difficulty if he fought Blast without restraint on either end.

Speaking of, not something most people would consider, but who here thinks Blast could survive the energy produced by the Serious Punch Squared, even if only briefly? Or at least not get vaporized?
 
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