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He doesn't even need to be strong or competent vsbattles wise for me
Just get enough skill feats to stand with the big boys Yujiro and Jin Mori
 
I personally like Disaster Level Leviathan. Only problem is Leviathan is a little wordier than "God" or "demon"
 
You don't belong in this world, demon
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there's a lot of small implications like

bomb comparing facing him to elder centipede

bang thinks that it's likely one of the associations strongest members

Psykos thinks that rover is a competent distraction for tatsumaki, the same tatsumaki who far exceeded her expectations of being able to defeat elder centipede.

Orochi says "Even rover" while then not really mentioning gouketsu and EC in the same way

In the season 2 databook it says that gouketsu thinks that there are monsters easily as strong as him going back to bang thinking he is one of the strongest members of MA aswell as him scaling far above people like FU and gums, being clowned on by just bang alone while both bang and bomb need to use their secret combo technique to even compete against an injured rover.
This is hardly proof of his durability scaling to EC's post-molt key, at least nothing conclusive anyway.

The first one just states that Bomb's confidence was crippled during the battle with EC, and now it's crippled again. It's not even close to a comparison of power.

We don't know if Bang has faced or has knowledge of a Monster Association member more powerful than post-Molt Elder Centipede. If anything, you could be proving that he's inferior to post-molt EC by virtue of being "one of" the strongest MA members. The fact that Bang didn't even try to use his Awakened form against Rover kind of makes me think this is likely.

That's pre-molt Elder Centipede she refers to. We know this because EC hadn't even molted when Phoenix Man made that statement.

That's not really proof either. Firstly, we don't know if Orochi even has knowledge of EC's post-molt form to begin with. Secondly, it doesn't really make sense within that context because they weren't terrified of Saitama, just dead. Also, monsters frequently remark on how two titans like them are dead. Lastly, Bang and Bomb's blow made him smaller and subservient, despite not damaging him, so it's likely at least as strong as Rover was (apparently, Rover is subservient to those stronger than him).

That's fine, but we have absolutely no idea who it refers to. It could just as easily be Psykos, Homeless Emperor, Black Sperm, Orochi, etc. It seems to harken back to his Bakuzan statement. Also, that's an anime guide book; I'm not saying it doesn't have any place in manga scaling, but that's certainly a fact worth mentioning, especially since those notes were released in March.
 
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Vegeta has far higher AP (Almost being able to one-shot) and is able to shoot and spam attacks omnidirectionally, there's only so much Tatsumaki can do to defend against his attacks before getting destroyed.
That just it? Once she grabbed him doubt he could performed all of those or will even hit her, he won't be even able to move his muscles. So tatsu really stomp huh? And the TK grabbing isn't something you could dodge it's an instant attack, she'll either destroy him at cellular level or throw him into an outer space.
 
He doesn't really need to. Plus if you wanna remove the match, go debate about it in the versus removal thread, not here
 

You need to give an argument on why you think it should be removed.
 
That's not really proof either. Firstly, we don't know if Orochi even has knowledge of EC's post-molt form to begin with. Secondly, it doesn't really make sense within that context because they weren't terrified of Saitama, just dead.
when he says even rover he then asks, "what did you do to rover?" and saitama confirms he smacks him so it would more be in refernce to that i would imagine. also he would know gouketsu's strength.

The fact that Bang didn't even try to use his Awakened form against Rover kind of makes me think this is likely.
We don't know he if he would given that rover submits before we find out.

the fact that bang considered fighting EC with his Awekening is actually a good feat for rover since the awekening should scale pretty far below their amped combo techniques, given that even weakend bomb could keep up decently against garou and now bang is already bloodied.

there really also isn't much to suggest that post-molt EC is that much stronger than the previous EC the only statment is that he got bigger.
genos and bang both considered fighting him again and genos was even somewhat effective.

if anything rover is able to take a possibly stronger combo that's also amped while also injured and still come out pretty much undamaged,
compare this to EC who had his entire carapace shattered by a weaker combo so the buff to EC would have to be huge to close that gap.
And it's not like molting in real life typically makes bugs astronimically more durable either.
 
genos and bang both considered fighting him again and genos was even somewhat effective.
Genos did shit against his outer shell, and could harm his face, which is a weakspot, and from the inside, and it took him all his energy in one single attack just to crack it's shell. So no, Genos got clapped pretty hard
 
Genos did shit against his outer shell, and could harm his face, which is a weakspot, and from the inside, and it took him all his energy in one single attack just to crack it's shell. So no, Genos got clapped pretty hard
more of a rethorical point to show that he isn't treated as that much stronger
 
more of a rethorical point to show that he isn't treated as that much stronger
Genos is only threat level demon at this time in the story and EC is 7-B... And Genos isn't even able to harm EC normally

i mean if molting is the only thing implying that he got stronger... molting being a biological process gotten from real life
Or you know, it doesn't mean it's an accurate representation of real life? Because this is fiction?
 
why not, do we assume everything works completly diffrent in fiction, cars, phones or physics
No, unless it's clearly contradicted, like here. Clearly, EC's molting is different from real life insects as shown. Like if you wanna argue something like this, I guess Garou shouldn't be able to turn from a human to a monster because humans clearly don't turn into monsters when placed in near death.
 
No, unless it's clearly contradicted, like here. Clearly, EC's molting is different from real life insects as shown. Like if you wanna argue something like this, I guess Garou shouldn't be able to turn from a human to a monster because humans clearly don't turn into monsters when placed in near death.
no that's a false equivalence, garou's monster transformation is something established as completly diffrent from real life, obviously EC isn't a real life creature but that doesn't mean that aspects of him doesn't work akin to real life processes. this honestly a pretty mute point to argue anyway doesn't really matter
 
obviously EC isn't a real life creature but that doesn't mean that aspects of him doesn't work akin to real life processes.
And what makes you say that? What makes you think that EC's molting is exactly like real life when we are shown that it's not?
 
when he says even rover he then asks, "what did you do to rover?" and saitama confirms he smacks him so it would more be in refernce to that i would imagine. also he would know gouketsu's strength.
That's not at all what I meant, I was saying he wouldn't be referring to their power because they're dead and not the ones who are subservient.
We don't know he if he would given that rover submits before we find out.
He reflected an attack from Rover before hand and fought against him, yet he instantly decided to use his Awakened Form when faced with the prospect of fighting EC.
the fact that bang considered fighting EC with his Awekening is actually a good feat for rover since the awekening should scale pretty far below their amped combo techniques, given that even weakend bomb could keep up decently against garou and now bang is already bloodied.
Garou was stronger when he fought Bang. Bomb even remarks on the difference sheerly due to the fact that he's able to now fight on par with Bang. So Awakened Bang >> Bomb.

Also, Darkshine shattered the entire rib cage of a stronger version of Garou than the one that fought Rover, yet this same Garou was fighting on par with Awakened Bang.
there really also isn't much to suggest that post-molt EC is that much stronger than the previous EC the only statment is that he got bigger.
genos and bang both considered fighting him again and genos was even somewhat effective.
They say they can't defeat him right after, so it's obvious he's way stronger.

Genos was only effective on the interior. Everyone knew it was pretty much a useless gesture, if not suicide.
if anything rover is able to take a possibly stronger combo that's also amped while also injured and still come out pretty much undamaged,

compare this to EC who had his entire carapace shattered by a weaker combo so the buff to EC would have to be huge to close that gap.
And it's not like molting in real life typically makes bugs astronimically more durable either.
Rover wasn't injured, and Bang was only marginally "amped" by Fubuki reinforcing his body.

Bang was willing to put his life on the line in his Awakened Form to fight Post-Molt EC. So it's a decently large amp.

It's not like Centipedes in real life are kilometres long, either.
 
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He reflected an attack from Rover before hand and fought against him, yet he instantly decided to use his Awakened Form to fight EC.
im arguing durability here and bang never fought against him alone they did the combo

of course he would have to use it since EC was able to regenerate from their previous combo which they could not perform again

Rover wasn't injured, and Bang was only marginally amped.
he's weakend
 
Doesn't make a difference what you're arguing, Bang just never decides to do it against Rover so your point is irrelevant. You also seem to be oscillating between Rover's durability and him outright scaling above Gouketsu/post-Molt EC.

Bomb was there with EC.

They say continuously that fighting it is suicide. There's no indication that they're referring to its molting ability. And even if they were, you haven't got a shred of proof for Rover scaling above post-molt EC. It's speculation, at this point.

They thought it was weak (from a few pages of blasting, I assume) and that they could take it out. They were wrong.
 
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They thought it was weak (from a few pages of blasting, I assume) and that they could take it out. They were wrong.
i agree that he doesn't scale to EC now but rover was weakend tho
bomb states it. Gouketsu is more up for debate though
also this panel to support your point where bomb says that Bang might aswell give up being a hero if there are more EC-level opponents

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I'm pretty sure Bomb only thought he was weakened and that Bomb turned out to be wrong. But I could be wrong.
 
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