Theendzero13
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BC got 20c via stated multipliers on top of an FTL calc iirc
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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So far, 710.246 Zettatons/5-B end is accepted by a singular CGM. We need more input though from Calc Group Members.
UeTa
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That's neat.
For my part : I just finished calculating the energy blast Released Boros's used against Saitama.
Since this feat is not ambiguous for the temperature. Being the source of "vaporizing the bones of any normal creature" and incinerating/melting down a portion of Boros' ship, I used the 784 million °C.
I will post it soon. This doesn't surpass the current scaling we use for Released Boros, but this is a good supportive feat either way. It could also (maybe) up Boros' ship durability, and hence Restricted Boros.
- (The low-end is 12.344 Petatons, the high-end is 38.369 Petatons)
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This is just going to end with a bunch of different CGM coming in and choosing a different end, isn't it? ( if not by one disagreeing with them and the calc being denied).
Personally i think that an attack that's described as being able to scorch/incinerate the surface getting 5-B is pretty sus. Sure, Boros says it's going to wipe out SAITAMA (who's tougher than a mountain) and the surface (as if that would be just collateral damage.) But even then Saitama's best feat is 5-C.
I think the High 6-A versions make the most sense story wise, but if 5-B makes more sense for a calc perspective then... ok, i guess.
Personally i think that an attack that's described as being able to scorch/incinerate the surface getting 5-B is pretty sus. Sure, Boros says it's going to wipe out SAITAMA (who's tougher than a mountain) and the surface (as if that would be just collateral damage.) But even then Saitama's best feat is 5-C.
I think the High 6-A versions make the most sense story wise, but if 5-B makes more sense for a calc perspective then... ok, i guess.
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I guess that would make all of Boros' keys High 6-A
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What we need to do is instead of having CGM say which end they prefer off the bat, they should check wether the math checks out or not. Later we can have a thread CGM restricted or not, to discuss which end fits best.
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How? The scorching end caps at 5-C, which makes sense.
Incinerating the Earth's surface makes sense to be 5-B, as to be able to destroy that much through sheer heat would take an insane amount of energy.
UeTa
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From what I know, all the math are correct. Even the absurd temperature exceeding 700 million °C.
- (I even asked DemonGodMitch in advance on Discord if I was not wrong on this point mathematically speaking and he say yes, yet he doesn't know if this is allowed by VSBW standards.)
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Agreed.
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After the math gets evaluated. We should make a thread to discuss which end to use.
UeTa
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I addressed this point in the notes.
We already have several accepted calculations that far exceed 5-B (such as 5-A) for the destruction of a planet's surface. And the one linked here include kinetic energy such as ripping off a entire planet crust and pushing the atmosphere at extreme velocity (2.22% c) which would, in my opinion not just destroy the planet's crust. But a tiny, tiny bit more.
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If the math is correct, the it's correct. Numbers don't lie...
Can you add your input please? It would be greatly appreciated.
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Well, it is 5-B, but barely above baseline.
UeTa
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You evaporated the Oceans mate with 100 °C. That's different.
Theendzero13
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it will probrably need a CGD thread to even see if the 700 million C can be used , since that method would affect a ton of verses
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UeTa
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Oh, nevermind y'all are talking about that.
The difference between my calculation and this one is that they're using the exact heat you need to melt each element. (Like, pt. 6 of my calc')
So you only have temperature ranging between 3414 °C, 5778 °C, 2100 °C. Etc, etc.
When the Pt.5 of my calc' use 784 million °C for the whole Surface and Atmosphere.
(something they didn't take into account)
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the cover looks like garou is... you know... sluuuurp
Shame that a good cover page is wasted by the contents of the chapters. The feeling the cover gives off fits Garou and the atmosphere of Garou before he emerges from the ground not the current Garou and the text just feels fake deep as if there is still nuance to what Garou wants to be.
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This. I think using the incineration end is a bit ehhhhhhhhhh
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Synonym: "A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close"
They by definition mean almost the exact same thing. It's not me calling them synonyms, it's the actual dictionary.
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Bruh, burning something to ashes is objectively not “almost the exact same” as burning a surface to change its color and texture.
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Argue with the Oxford Dictionary then, I don't know what to tell you.
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And why would I do that? They’re objectively not the same thing, you seem to be the only one that thinks they are.
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They don't have to be the exact same thing, the point is they're very similar. There's no reason for it to affect the calc.
Yeah me and everyone who made/uses the dictionary.
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But they're different things. The statement explicitly states scorching, so we'll use scorching for the calc. It's that simple.
Who exactly? Mind giving examples of who thinks the same as the same as you?
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Being similar =/= having the same effects. When their effects are fundamentally different, there is absolutely a reason for it to affect which end is chosen.
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Bro you cut my comment to make it look like I said everyone. That doesn't even earn a rebutal.
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Because that's the part I wanna focus on? NO ONE I know thinks they're synonyms.
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But that inherently changes the meaning of what I'm saying, so at that point it's lying to make a point.
How about the 200 specialists and 120 scholars who keep the f*cking thing updated
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You linked me a website. Not a source. Show me where they say scorch and incinerate are the same thing.
You stated: "Yeah me and everyone who made/uses the dictionary." I focused on the "everyone" part because that's where I wanted to focus on. Where am I lying?
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The new translation says scorch or incinerate, which is why there are ends for both.
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Can I see it? The blog only shows the scan but not the translation. And I only remember it being translated to Scorching by Qawsedf
UeTa
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Me, when I want doing a funny, ha ha calculation about a fictional character and start making people doubt the definition of words in the English language (+I'm French):
Joke aside, It seems nobody read the entire thing or noticed that the "Incinerate" Ends don't use any melting calculations. Only specific heat. (Just like the scorching Ends)
The definition of "Incinerate" was only used to support Boros statement about being able to vaporize bones. But even if we will still use the scorching statements I could still apply it since CSRC should technically have a temperature equivalent to or greater than Boros's weaker energy blast.
Which works with the exact same principle as CSRC :
Energy blast : "I've released a vast amount of energy from within my body... Not a single bone will be left from any small fry touching it!"
Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon : "I'll release all of my energy to blow away you and the planet surface!"
He just release the energy within his body at his opponent in both case. So I take them as the same for these Ends.
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I take it that's the reason for incinerating?
UeTa
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Also for furtherproof, here some pictures of the "Incineration" caused by Released Boros energy blast to his spaceship.
-Big, BIG fireball
- Molted metal in the background
- After the ball of extinguished, the place was still a little molten/ignited. (You can see ashes in the air)
-You can see chared pieces of metal rising as Boros power-up
- A view of the crater
UeTa
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Pretty much
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Ah so the databook scan says scorching going Qawsedf's translations and the manga scans show incinerating. Aight
UeTa
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Aaaah, I see I see.
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Well, as far as I know, scorching is just a more accurate translation but incinerating is also correct. There should be no problem with using incineration.
