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Yeah man, 1 statement isn't enough to give someone planetaryinstead of pointlessly debating for an upgrade with one statement
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Yeah man, 1 statement isn't enough to give someone planetaryinstead of pointlessly debating for an upgrade with one statement
Yeah man, 1 statement isn't enough to give someone planetary
It doesn't support mine, but it makes your reasoning (not enough sources), invalid.Bringing up random verses still doesn’t support your argument.
I’m literally neutral about the upgrade and have neither voiced support or rejected it, but yeah sure, my reasoningIt doesn't support mine, but it makes your reasoning (not enough sources), invalid.
The context are nearly the same. OPM has the same, if not more things backing planetary Saitama than Saiki, and yet it was accepted for him.Also it doesn’t even render the not enough sources argument invalid when it’s a different verse with different context.
Y’know that could just mean the other character needs to be downgradedThe context are nearly the same. OPM has the same, if not more things backing planetary Saitama than Saiki, and yet it was accepted for him.
whataboutism is never really a good argument.It doesn't support mine, but it makes your reasoning (not enough sources), invalid.
Why not upgrade both because they have been stated to 5-B by their authors?Y’know that could just mean the other character needs to be downgraded
Seems like the obvious solutionY’know that could just mean the other character needs to be downgraded
This. 100% this.whataboutism is never really a good argument.
Like they could just say that that singular statement shouldn't be taken, and should be removed/the character downgraded in response. In fact bringing up other characters/verses with whataboutism to say "Well they do it, why can't we?" has a habit of causing said example verse/character to be revised once attention has been brought to them
Well bringing attention to another verse is a good thing, we want the most accurate tiering, don’t wewhataboutism is never really a good argument.
Like they could just say that that singular statement shouldn't be taken, and should be removed/the character downgraded in response. In fact bringing up other characters/verses with whataboutism to say "Well they do it, why can't we?" has a habit of causing said example verse/character to be revised once attention has been brought to them
Waiting till the “next chapter” has a constant thing in OPM so it was expected to happen.Oh hell nah they done closed my thread that i worked 3 hours on
Cause there have literally been three threads (Including yours) in the past 24 hours on the same topic, all of which have been closed since we're both waiting for the arc to end and because they're gonna get rejected anyways.Oh hell nah they done closed my thread that i worked 3 hours on
From what i am getting (i am kinda new) this wiki only accepts upgrades of popular characters from known users or mods only? So a new guy like me would just have his thread sniped even if its well organised and makes points?Cause there have literally been three threads (Including yours) in the past 24 hours on the same topic, all of which have been closed since we're both waiting for the arc to end and because they're gonna get rejected anyways.
No? You just made a thread that had A. Already been done two times before and B. Was made at the same time as another thread with the exact same topicFrom what i am getting (i am kinda new) this wiki only accepts upgrades of popular characters from known users or mods only? So a new guy like me would just have his thread sniped even if its well organised and makes points?
No, no and no. If your points make sense then they will be accepted. People really don't care about how many comments you've made or whether you are new or not. Just make a good organized thread that makes sense and it will be accepted.From what i am getting (i am kinda new) this wiki only accepts upgrades of popular characters from known users or mods only? So a new guy like me would just have his thread sniped even if its well organised and makes points?
bro said "ctrl+c, ctrl+v"Well, anyways they closed my thread on 5-B saitama so i will send it here (its not gonna have links because i just copy and pasted)
This thread has definitely never been done before.
This is a thread on why saitama should get a 5-B rating.
Arguments
1.
Saitama said he can destroy the earth if he wanted to in both the manga and the webcomic
This is interesting considering saitama doesn't even know his true strength and gets surprised that he one shots his opponents.
And yet, he knows that he can destroy the planet.
2.
Muruta has said saitama can destroy the earth if he wanted to
How is this not accepted??
saitama, the strongest in the entire verse by a MILE, has straight up been stated to be capable of destroying the earth, why wouldnt he get a possibly planet level?
3.
Boros' CSRC has been stated to be Capable of destroying a planet/star (planets more consistent)
Star level has been debunked because the kanji can be Translated to either planet or star.
Well, with the stuff above planet is obviously more consistent here.
An argument used against this is that boros himself has said in the manga and anime to be only planet surface buster.
I mean, do you know how powerful you are? Do you have an exact value? No, you probably dont.
Boros was looking for an opponent his entire life to go 100% on. Therefore he doesnt know his full strength.
This databook (which has muruta and ONE art on it and obviously wouldnt be published unless full permission from ONE or muruta)
Pretty much says the boros can obliterate a planet with his CSRC.
Note: Boros is the only character in the manga so far that saitama has called “pretty strong"
4. (Bonus)
Implications in posters
1-
Boros holding earth in his hands, implying he can destroy it (Argued by Arg.3)
2- saitama punching through the moon (comfirmed If the 5-C stuff gets accepted)
5. (Bonus)
Saitama dwarfs these characters in strength so he should massively upscale
1- Psykorochi
Who split a part of the earths surface casually (and tatsumaki tanked it pretty easily too)
Psykorochi<=tatsumaki<<<<<<<<<<saitama
2- Platinum S
Is 56 trillion times stronger then an individual Black S
1 black S > sweet mask (because 1 black S ripped genos' arm off)
Sweet mask > speed o' sonic >deep sea king > s1 genos Who did this
being 56 trillion times stronger then that is around 6.4 exatons of tnt
Platinum sperm <=garou<<<<<<<<<saitama
(This is probably a weak point)
3- Orochi
Orochi Displaced the layers in the outer core, extracting energy from the Earth and causing a world-wide earthquake
this can be calced at high 6-A, 5-C or low 5-B.
Saitama thought this was a bad joke.
4- boros (Argument 3)
Saitama according to muruta one taps the verse so he should massively scale above this.
All these characters are high tier 6 to tier 5.
From an author perspective i think muruta is trying to show us that these characters are definitely capable of performing high tier feats.
And, saitama utterly dwarfs them in strength.
Possible arguments against these
1.
“Arg. 1 is definetly flowery language/hyperbole/joking”
When has saitama ever overhyped/joked his/about his strength? i mean he himself doesn't even know how strong he is considering how he is surprised about one punching opponents. So why would say that in a serious tone to someone he knows is bad?
2.
“Muruta is not a good source"
I mean, he is but i am still proposing a “possibly 5-B"
3.
“That databook is unusable and only for anime”
It should have been ok'ed by ONE and muruta (which should be true because there is images on their drawn by both of them)
And it is the only statement we have about boros' true strength
4.
Not really an argument but
“lets wait until the arc is over and then we can yada yada yada”
lets not? We have already upgraded garou and the people that scale to him to 6-A.
Why not upgrade the god tier (and potentially boros) to 5-B
wouldnt really be a crime imo.
If these get accepted then saitama would be
Tier: 9-B | 9-A, up to at least 8-B | 5-C, possibly 5-B, Likely far higher
If boros' CSRC gets accepted then it would be
Tier: At least low 7-B, possibly 6-A | high 6-A | At least high 6-A, possibly 5-B
Yet both were closed? When both made points? Shouldn't there be debates in the comments over the thread or something? And why wait 3 years for the arc to be over? When yall already upgraded garou to 6-A.No? You just made a thread that had A. Already been done two times before and B. Was made at the same time as another thread with the exact same topic
Go to my thread and debunk every single point.No, no and no. If your points make sense then they will be accepted. People really don't care about how many comments you've made or whether you are new or not. Just make a good organized thread that makes sense and it will be accepted.
Since the fight is close then the end of the arc is close as well. No one dismissed your arguments just because. It was agreed on a previous thread that we should just wait until the fight is over to make any changes, thats all. After the fight is over, make the thread again and we can talk about it then.Yet both were closed? When both made points? Shouldn't there be debates in the comments over the thread or something? And why wait 3 years for the arc to be over? When yall already upgraded garou to 6-A.
1. Hyperbole: Just Saitama speaking through gamer rageWell, anyways they closed my thread on 5-B saitama so i will send it here (its not gonna have links because i just copy and pasted)
This thread has definitely never been done before.
This is a thread on why saitama should get a 5-B rating.
Arguments
1.
Saitama said he can destroy the earth if he wanted to in both the manga and the webcomic
This is interesting considering saitama doesn't even know his true strength and gets surprised that he one shots his opponents.
And yet, he knows that he can destroy the planet.
2.
Muruta has said saitama can destroy the earth if he wanted to
How is this not accepted??
saitama, the strongest in the entire verse by a MILE, has straight up been stated to be capable of destroying the earth, why wouldnt he get a possibly planet level?
3.
Boros' CSRC has been stated to be Capable of destroying a planet/star (planets more consistent)
Star level has been debunked because the kanji can be Translated to either planet or star.
Well, with the stuff above planet is obviously more consistent here.
An argument used against this is that boros himself has said in the manga and anime to be only planet surface buster.
I mean, do you know how powerful you are? Do you have an exact value? No, you probably dont.
Boros was looking for an opponent his entire life to go 100% on. Therefore he doesnt know his full strength.
This databook (which has muruta and ONE art on it and obviously wouldnt be published unless full permission from ONE or muruta)
Pretty much says the boros can obliterate a planet with his CSRC.
Note: Boros is the only character in the manga so far that saitama has called “pretty strong"
4. (Bonus)
Implications in posters
1-
Boros holding earth in his hands, implying he can destroy it (Argued by Arg.3)
2- saitama punching through the moon (comfirmed If the 5-C stuff gets accepted)
5. (Bonus)
Saitama dwarfs these characters in strength so he should massively upscale
1- Psykorochi
Who split a part of the earths surface casually (and tatsumaki tanked it pretty easily too)
Psykorochi<=tatsumaki<<<<<<<<<<saitama
2- Platinum S
Is 56 trillion times stronger then an individual Black S
1 black S > sweet mask (because 1 black S ripped genos' arm off)
Sweet mask > speed o' sonic >deep sea king > s1 genos Who did this
being 56 trillion times stronger then that is around 6.4 exatons of tnt
Platinum sperm <=garou<<<<<<<<<saitama
(This is probably a weak point)
3- Orochi
Orochi Displaced the layers in the outer core, extracting energy from the Earth and causing a world-wide earthquake
this can be calced at high 6-A, 5-C or low 5-B.
Saitama thought this was a bad joke.
4- boros (Argument 3)
Saitama according to muruta one taps the verse so he should massively scale above this.
All these characters are high tier 6 to tier 5.
From an author perspective i think muruta is trying to show us that these characters are definitely capable of performing high tier feats.
And, saitama utterly dwarfs them in strength.
Possible arguments against these
1.
“Arg. 1 is definetly flowery language/hyperbole/joking”
When has saitama ever overhyped/joked his/about his strength? i mean he himself doesn't even know how strong he is considering how he is surprised about one punching opponents. So why would say that in a serious tone to someone he knows is bad?
2.
“Muruta is not a good source"
I mean, he is but i am still proposing a “possibly 5-B"
3.
“That databook is unusable and only for anime”
It should have been ok'ed by ONE and muruta (which should be true because there is images on their drawn by both of them)
And it is the only statement we have about boros' true strength
4.
Not really an argument but
“lets wait until the arc is over and then we can yada yada yada”
lets not? We have already upgraded garou and the people that scale to him to 6-A.
Why not upgrade the god tier (and potentially boros) to 5-B
wouldnt really be a crime imo.
If these get accepted then saitama would be
Tier: 9-B | 9-A, up to at least 8-B | 5-C, possibly 5-B, Likely far higher
If boros' CSRC gets accepted then it would be
Tier: At least low 7-B, possibly 6-A | high 6-A | At least high 6-A, possibly 5-B
Makes sense.Since the fight is close then the end of the arc is close as well. No one dismissed your arguments just because. It was agreed on a previous thread that we should just wait until the fight is over to make any changes, thats all. After the fight is over, make the thread again and we can talk about it then.
If the thread was closed, it was closed for a reasonYet both were closed? When both made points? Shouldn't there be debates in the comments over the thread or something? And why wait 3 years for the arc to be over? When yall already upgraded garou to 6-A.
Manga and webcomic are different continuities. What happens in one doesn’t support the other.Saitama said he can destroy the earth if he wanted to in both the manga and the webcomic
CSRC is planet surface level, this has been gone over an innumerable amount of times and won’t be changing any time soon.Boros' CSRC has been stated to be Capable of destroying a planet/star (planets more consistent)
lol noBoros holding earth in his hands, implying he can destroy it (Argued by Arg.3)
is High 6-A.Psykorochi
The Black Sperm multiplier hasn’t been accepted.Platinum S
It’s High 6-A. The other ends are irrelevant.this can be calced at high 6-A, 5-C or low 5-B.
This might be crazy, but maybe, just maybe… they want to see if Garou or Saitama performs any new feats. You could just be patient.And why wait 3 years for the arc to be over? When yall already upgraded garou to 6-A.
The wiki isn’t gonna explode in a few weeks
WW3 says hi
Bro what arg. 2 immediately disproves that.1. Hyperbole: Just Saitama speaking through gamer rage
No, its a statement given by an author that one of his characters in the series he draws/writes is a planetary being.2. Murata's answer wasn't very confident, sounded like a "Huh? Yeah, probably. I don't know"
Yeah, that's boros' statements. Who probably doesn't even know how strong he is. This databook is a better source then boros because its the actual author saying how powerful he is.3. Accepted translations have Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon as only being able to destroy to planet's surface
Boros was going to destroy the earth tho? He wasnt going to rule it?4. Both of these are just cover images (The Boros one depicts him as trying rule the Earth and the moon one is just straight up non-canon)
The point wasn't upscaling. If you actually read the thread the point was that OPM characters are capable of performing feats that range from high end high 6-A to low 5-B.5. He can't upscale from a multi-continent level feat all the way up to planet, no matter how strong he is.
No because the Low 5-B ends were wrong lol.If you actually read the thread the point was that OPM characters are capable of performing feats that range from high end high 6-A to low 5-B.
1. Yes, yes it is. His statement isn't even "I'm gonna destroy the Earth!!!!!" its "I'm so pissed that I feel like I need to destroy the planet"Bro what arg. 2 immediately disproves that.
Plus when has saitama done that before? Has he lied about his strength before? Has he overhyped himself before? Does he even know how strong he is?? He always gets surprised by one shotting people so him saying he can destroy the earth is “gamer rage”?
No, its a statement given by an author that one of his characters in the series he draws/writes is a planetary being.
This argument doesn't disprove anything.
Yeah, that's boros' statements. Who probably doesn't even know how strong he is. This databook is a better source then boros because its the actual author saying how powerful he is.
Boros was going to destroy the earth tho? He wasnt going to rule it?
I mean it is possible now with the 5-C upgrade.
The point wasn't upscaling. If you actually read the thread the point was that OPM characters are capable of performing feats that range from high end high 6-A to low 5-B.
Saitama massively upscaling from this to “possibly" planet level with all the arguments presented isnt really that big of a deal.
little nitpick here, incase you weren't aware, Murata is not the author, it's ONE.No, its a statement given by an author that one of his characters in the series he draws/writes is a planetary being.
This argument doesn't disprove anything.
And yet both of them say saitama is planet level.Manga and webcomic are different continuities. What happens in one doesn’t support the other.
Gonna take yall word but can i be linked a thread where that got debunked?Manga and webcomic are different continuities. What happens in one doesn’t support the other.
CSRC is planet surface level, this has been gone over an innumerable amount of times and won’t be changing any time soon.
Yeah i added it as just some bonus i do realise its heavy headcannon now.lol no
Can be scaled to low 5-B.is High 6-A.
I mean i dont see why but whatever it is a massive ass multiplier so i understand.The Black Sperm multiplier hasn’t been accepted.
Yeah, taking it slowly seems to be the thing here on wiki.This might be crazy, but maybe, just maybe… they want to see if Garou or Saitama performs any new feats. You could just be patient.