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Massive OPM Upgrades

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NikHelton said:
Suiryu scales to Chosie, who scales to other demons.
Bang needs to scale up to Garou with his Class K. After all, this is not a character that relies on brute force. He never threw buildings. However, he is excellent at directing energy.
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Didn't Suiryu have his own Class M calc?

Sorry, but it's just impossible to wrap my head around TTM being superior to Bang in anything. You can still propose the idea though.
 
King said:
Didn't Suiryu have his own Class M calc?

Sorry, but it's just impossible to wrap my head around TTM being superior to Bang in anything. You can still propose the idea though.
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Why not? Bang has never been shown as Mr. Brute Force. All of his attacks consist of him redirecting the enemy's energy against him and adding his own strength. But Bang definitely won't be able to throw a building several kilometers high.
 
NikHelton said:
Why not? Bang has never been shown as Mr. Brute Force. All of his attacks consist of him redirecting the enemy's energy against him and adding his own strength. But Bang definitely won't be able to throw a building several kilometers high.
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Well, he easily knocked back Melzargard tens of meters away whereas a whole combo from Puri Puri didn't do a thing.
 
Melzargard's speciality is his power and regeneration, not durability. So, imo pushing him far back is greater than blowing holes. There's even more evidence of Silverfang having greater power than TTM and Puri. Garou's blows were rendering TTM immobile after a small combo. Bang took multiple hits directly from a far stronger Garou and kept going. Sorry, but there is no way to scale Bang below TTM in raw physicals. You can make the argument that Bang scales to Garou in Striking Strength and not Lifting Strength but OPM doesn't seem inclined to one stats. Usually, being stronger also represents greater physical strength.
Also, iirc Bang was able to restrain Garou for a small amount of time during their fight which wouldn't be possible if he didn't have similar LS to Garou and thereby superior to TTM. So, if someone wants to argue that TTM has greater LS than Pre-Awakening Garou first form, then be my guest.
 
Therefir said:
We could divide Sage's weight by his 6666 arms and find out how much mass each arm can lift.

This would be a low-end of course since we know he doesn't need all his legs to carry himself.
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Well, it looks like Sage Centipede can lift its whole body with just two legs
 
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Part of her body is still underground. In addition, it does not fully stand, but makes a leap forward, which is not a feat of LS.
 
Yes, Garou stated he did break "the whole thing" this time around.
 
What was the consensus of Awakening Breath Bang, does he and Elder Centipede scale from Island level Garou?
 
King said:
The ninja bros downscale because they hurt a suppressed FF, Bang downscales because he hurt a weaker Garou.
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Those are two different cases. Garou by an unquantifiable amount after every battle. We have no idea how the Garou that fought Bang even remotely scales to the Garou that did the 6-C feat.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Those are two different cases. Garou by an unquantifiable amount after every battle. We have no idea how the Garou that fought Bang even remotely scales to the Garou that did the 6-C feat.
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These two cases are not too different. FF held back by an unquantifiable amount too. It was directly after his fight with Bang. It wasn't even a transformation, it was him just waking up and as Darkshine clarified, the difference between Asleep and Conscious Garou is just the muscle coordination, not overall power.
 
I for one support the FTL Orochi and G4 Sol beams, as modern technology can get light to bend to some extent. I can link the study, while the beam loses a lot of power, the bright beam still is bending.

Edit: Which could explain Genos just kind of slapping the beam with his bare hands.
 
King said:
The ninja bros downscale because they hurt a suppressed FF, Bang downscales because he hurt a weaker Garou.
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Suppressing himself wouldn't lower his durability. You can hold back your AP and you could hold back your speed, but if you don't have any kind of special power, technique, or something notable that interacts with your durability, you can't hold that back. At least, FF hasn't shown to be able to do that, and idr if anyone in OPM has.

The ninjas are just stronger than everyone assumed. And Flashy Flash himself did note that if he didn't kill the ninjas, the other S class heroes would have serious trouble, so it's consistent. We never Iirc, they were both Cadre Candidates too, so we can't even say they should have 'rank inferiority' or anything like that. In Chapter 96 (94 in Viz), they state that against both his speed and power that the other monsters (as a blanket term that includes the cadre) would be helpless against him. And this was still a suppressed Flashy. It might've just sounded like them being cocky before, but considering that Flash really does scale to Platinum S and Garou on the lower end at full power, it's not farfetched to say that the level of power Flash was showing to them could've very well been above the other monsters (that they knew of). Even if you wanna say it was just them being cocky, Flash did say that the other S class would have a hard time dealing with their speed. But it's just extra supporting evidence or interpretations.

Flash when he stopped holding back used Flashy Kick Barrage on them, and it stunned or damaged them but didn't make their bodies completely explode or get blown apart. This could be compared to the Flashy Fist he used on Platinum. If they were leagues apart ap to durability wise, Flash when he got serious wouldn't have needed to use the kicks as a set up move and would've just overwhelmed their durability with his raw AP like other hand to hand fighters do to monsters. And then Flash one shotting the Ninja's with Flashy Slash just confirms what Platinum said about Flash's AP being far higher with his sword than without in the fact that he can one shot people that could take multiple of his bare handed strikes.

Also on a different note, should Flash and the ninja's get limited explosion manipulation (via kinetic energy) for what they did in the cave? Flash also did it again with the Flashy Fist attack, and the way it's drawn is different from other characters that destroy the environment from their strength (besides Garou's stomp at the beginning of the fight, but he was also moving at those 'kinetic explosion' speeds
 
Jo-Smooth said:
Flashy Flash himself did note that if he didn't kill the ninjas, the other S class heroes would have serious trouble, so it's consistent.
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We agreed on putting them at High 7-A+, which is above every other S-Class that isn’t named Tatsumaki, so I don’t see how this is relevant.
Jo-Smooth said:
In Chapter 96 (94 in Viz), they state that against both his speed and power that the other monsters (as a blanket term that includes the cadre) would be helpless against him. And this was still a suppressed Flashy.
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Considering that the suggestion was to put the ninjas at High 7-A+, which is above literally every Cadre that isn’t Platinum Sperm…
Jo-Smooth said:
Flash when he stopped holding back used Flashy Kick Barrage on them, and it stunned or damaged them but didn't make their bodies completely explode or get blown apart.
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And why would it make them explode, exactly? The value that we agreed on downscaling the ninjas to is slightly over 1/2 of what Flash scales to.
Jo-Smooth said:
If they were leagues apart ap to durability wise
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Literally nobody thinks this. Again, it was agreed upon to downscale the ninjas to High 7-A+, only about 1/2 of where Flash would scale. No offense, but I feel like you didn’t pay proper attention to the prior discussion about this.

And as I’ve mentioned multiple times at this point, the ninjas downscale from Flash because the best they could do against him individually was knock him around, and they only did significant damage while working in tandem.
 
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I feel like Pre-Awakening Garou should be 6-A+ at his peak. 6-A+ starts at 2.5975 Petatons and Pre-Awakening Garou one shot Sage Centipede who is 2.46 Petatons. That’s a mere 1.056x gap.
 
Wouldn't Garou High 6-A be better?

According to the rules of the wiki, Sage will have 6-A+, since the calculation is very close to the baseline.
At the same time, Garou rips him to shreds in one hit and needs to be less than 2x stronger to get a High 6-A baseline.
 
NikHelton said:
According to the rules of the wiki, Sage will have 6-A+, since the calculation is very close to the baseline.
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Why would Sage upscale from his own calc?
NikHelton said:
At the same time, Garou rips him to shreds in one hit and needs to be less than 2x stronger to get a High 6-A baseline.
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What is the exact difference? Because even 1.3x differences can be considered too much for upscaling.
 
LordTracer said:
Why would Sage upscale from his own calc?

What is the exact difference? Because even 1.3x differences can be considered too much for upscaling.
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According to the rules of the wiki, if the calculation is very close to the baseline of the next level, then we can scale it.

Also, the SC shell can fully withstand its own 6-A + attack, but Garou feels like foam.
 
NikHelton said:
Wouldn't Garou High 6-A be better?

According to the rules of the wiki, Sage will have 6-A+, since the calculation is very close to the baseline.
At the same time, Garou rips him to shreds in one hit and needs to be less than 2x stronger to get a High 6-A baseline.
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No to High 6-A.

It's already been explained why.
 
NikHelton said:
According to the rules of the wiki, if the calculation is very close to the baseline of the next level, then we can scale it.

Also, the SC shell can fully withstand its own 6-A + attack, but Garou feels like foam.
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That’s only if the character who did it was really casual or weakened from what I remember. The drill attack is supposed to be Sage Centipede’s trump card and full power. So he can’t really upscale from his own max strength. If he did it casually by moving than you could actually argue him upscaling to 6-A+ but in this case I’m pretty sure he can’t. Only Garou can due to one shotting him.
 
BS's profile states that it has been stated that he is capable of breaking a solar blade. By whom was it stated, other than his intentions?
 
NikHelton said:
BS's profile states that it has been stated that he is capable of breaking a solar blade. By whom was it stated, other than his intentions?
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Good point. That's completely baseless so I'll remove that line.
 
Well, blocking can be both AP and durability imo depending on how it’s done. But Golden just kinda braced himself, so it’s just durability.
 
Damage3245 said:
Actually this line:



Why is this under his AP justification? This is Durability.
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We're scaling AP for longevity, aren't we?

However, I don't understand why we're scaling GS down to this if he lost a limb from the next attack, and the blow he blocked almost immediately took his arm off.
 
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