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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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The new pages are weird at first, but that's only cause of how different they are. I think it's a better look overall.
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I think this makes sense. Bang likely wasn't bloodlusted on Darkshine when they sparred. And IIRC, Bang never actually attempted to harm Darkshine, he just redirected his attacks, so it all fits
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Actually, you can set your preferences to have the original look.
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Wait what
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Bomb didn't hurt Garou with his attacks though. Even when he landed solid blows, it did no more than stagger Garou. And no, we don't know what happened when Bang fought Darkshine, just that Darkshine was extremely outclassed in terms of skill but never actually took damage. Saying Bomb and Bang have higher raw AP than Darkshine of all people just sounds absurd and goes against all of the scaling we've seen up to now.
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It seems a decent chunk of heroes might get a 7-B, possibly 7-A upgrade then
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Never mind what I said prior, I just realized how messed it'd be considering it's implied that they needed the two of them to harm EC. Who is the baseline for the 7-B scaling
Still tho, this might add further justification that their martial arts allows them to at least contend or keep up with opponents much stronger to them
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Been saying that for the longest
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You forget that Bomb’s AP was directly shown to be matching that of Garou’s though. Him not harming Garou just means Garou’s durability is greater than his AP, something we already accept with Half-Monster Garou.
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When? And if that is the case, I think it could also be argued as an outlier.
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Could have been garou matching his in order to counter attack.
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It just makes no sense for Bomb and Bang, who were previously unable to harm anyone at this level and only showed High-Demon to Low-Dragon capabilities at best, to suddenly be strong enough to contend with High-Dragon's even in terms of just raw strength.
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It'd be like if TTM suddenly used an attack that surprised and knocked back Gouketsu.
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I feel like we should wait until next chapter to determine it for certain though. Bang and Garou are going to fight soon. When that happens, we'll know for sure how they compare.
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Multiple times throughout the fight. Bomb blocked Garou’s attack, caught his fist when he tried to punch Fubuki, sent him flying with his own punch, and traded blows with him for an entire page.
Whether it’s an outlier is a different question (even though Bomb, Bang and Darkshine are all the same tier so like-), but to say Bomb isn’t contending with Garou’s AP here would be disingenuous.
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Also tbh, I'm starting to think Psykojet might be a glass cannon but I'll reserve that for now
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All of those aside from the third one could easily be considered skill based. Him blocking Garou's attacks on numerous occasions without even flinching is contradictory to how he gets two shotted when Garou actually lands hits on him. He was two shotted and never actually harmed Garou, so to say he is for certain on par with Garou's AP is not true.
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Also saying that Bomb, Bang, and Darkshine are in the same tier doesn't mean they logically have AP on par with each other.
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Of course, I'm not saying they're incomparable, Bomb at least has somewhat relative strength to be able to do literally any of this, let alone stagger Garou with one of his kicks. I'm just saying they aren't equal, nor does this make Bomb stronger than Darkshine.
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Catching someone’s fist while they’re in the middle of a punch is blatantly AP.
Bang literally tanks one of Garou’s strikes after they swap hands with each other. And I think you’re forgetting that Garou, y’know, gets stronger as he fights.
Nothing you just mentioned has anything to do with Bang’s AP. Bang getting defeated at the end, Garou simply got stronger as we know he does. Garou not taking damage, literally durability, and we’ve seen that Garou’s durability is far greater than his AP.
I never said they were equal either, I’m just saying that Bomb absolutely scales here.
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Still contradictory to him getting two shotted either way.
You mean Bomb? And I said two shotted, not one shotted. The first blow after they had a brief clash did considerable damage to Bomb. Every time Garou starts to get stronger, literally every single time, we either see the improvement first-hand, or it's directly stated by a character. There was none of that here.
Nothing implying he closed the gap fast enough to two shot Bang who was supposedly equal to him only moments before, that's bordering on headcanon. "Garou's durability is far greater than his AP" Based on what? You've been saying this but I don't understand the argument.
You're saying Bomb>Darkshine by saying that his AP is on par with Garou.
You mean Bomb? And I said two shotted, not one shotted. The first blow after they had a brief clash did considerable damage to Bomb. Every time Garou starts to get stronger, literally every single time, we either see the improvement first-hand, or it's directly stated by a character. There was none of that here.
Nothing implying he closed the gap fast enough to two shot Bang who was supposedly equal to him only moments before, that's bordering on headcanon. "Garou's durability is far greater than his AP" Based on what? You've been saying this but I don't understand the argument.
You're saying Bomb>Darkshine by saying that his AP is on par with Garou.
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i'll try. but i dont really have the best software right now to render an image like that but yep i'll still try.
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I made a render of Garou, is this good enough or was there something in the new chapter.
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well nevermind then lol. looks like its been taken care of. that render of garou looks great and i think we can use it.
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Looks like TheRustyOne made a render of the new Garou. So what should we call this form?
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Pre-Awakened maybe? Obviously non-Awakened Garou in general counts as Pre-Awakened, but that's the best I can thing of.
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No, it’s literally not. Bomb catching his fist = AP. Bomb getting two-shotted = durability. These are two different things.
Bomb is literally just sweating. That’s not “considerable damage.”
He still has that ability though, we’re not gonna act like it’s not a thing just because there isn’t a statement about it.
I literally never said Bomb was equal to Garou though, so…
Rover. Garou had barely become a Dragon level (Low 7-B) when he encountered Rover, yet he didn’t get instantly pulverized by his attacks (Low 7-B, possibly 7-A).
Y’know, the funny thing is that I didn’t once say Bomb > Darkshine. I just said that Bomb’s AP scales to Garou’s.
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I suggested pre awakened before. But that might be a stretch I guess. It's the best I can think of tho
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What about Asleep Awakened Garou? This is likely Garou's final form, but heavily nerfed because he is asleep. So I think Asleep Awakened Garou is the best we can do, despite it being an oxymoron.
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We don't have proof he's asleep, so no
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Can we use the name if we get confirmation that he was asleep?
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So now we're also assuming that Bomb's AP is just massively higher than his durability, as well? Making a lot of guesses here.
His cheek is temporarily demorfed from the punch, he's breathing heavily and sweating, and we see scuff marks on his face. Garou shows none of that and looks like he's in peak condition, then the next blow after Garou counters his next attack splatters his blood and takes him out. Overall, it definitely looks like a low diff fight for Garou, whereas Bomb could only keep up for a short amount of time. But nope, not because of skill.
The fight literally doesn't even last a minute and Garou is barely struggling, with absolutely zero implications whatsoever that Garou improved to any relevant degree. it's literally a theory at best.
That's literally what we're arguing about.
Garou was worried about dying from the attacks, and was severely wounded when he took one directly. He only lasted due to his inhuman endurance.
That is literally what this entire argument is about. If you don't think that Darkshine is weaker than Bomb because of this chapter then the argument is almost pointless.
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Anyways gonna go do something else, I'll come back to this later if it keeps going.
