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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Adam1396 said:
Manga itself clearly debunks the distance ignoring part. It's from the context that he can attack any part of the world from outside universe. But it clearly travels takes time after entering universe.

FF dodging it on first try also indicates that.

Saitama is not interacting with higher dimensional slash. He still interacted with 3d slash. Higher dimensional part is that the attack comes from higher dimension. It would just be resistance to spatial manipulation. That still good feat.
Well I'm more curious if the slash is extension of blade or projectile
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Massive headcanon
 
Adam1396 said:
Manga itself clearly debunks the distance ignoring part. It's from the context that he can attack any part of the world from outside universe. But it clearly travels takes time after entering universe.

FF dodging it on first try also indicates that.

Saitama is not interacting with higher dimensional slash. He still interacted with 3d slash. Higher dimensional part is that the attack comes from higher dimension. It would just be resistance to spatial manipulation. That still good feat.
Well I'm more curious if the slash is extension of blade or projectile
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I was gonna refute this then i see the word "dodge" and "ff" in the same sentence, that tells me you don't read the manga or even if you read it you just skimming through it
 
FF didn't dodge anything. If Void's intention was to kill off FF he wouldn't have come down from the higher dimension shortly after to shove the god cube in his face again.

"But, he reacted to it!" Even that's debatable as demonstrated by the doubt of certain participants.
 
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ReusedOil said:
edit: I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT LET ME COOK

Wait, we might be looking at it the wrong way here. Instead of focusing on where the swords appeared or how fast it travells, lets instead consider what the sword's properties actually are. If we assume that the hyperverse dimension is outside the universe's causalty, and those swords carry over that ability instead of losing it once entering realspace... this means that any and all things that affect causalty, the swords simply ignore.

Time for example, affect causalty/a part of it. To say that time passed for the sword to travel, is to say that the causalty of the universe affected the swords.

Like yes we see the swords "moving", but we shouldn't think that for the sword, time is passing. Universe time doesn't apply to hyperspace. The swords are moving under their own "time". Like the swords could be moving at a snail's pace but from anyone elses perspective; real space; the swords move instantly.
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bumping this everytime the speed of the slash is discussed
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Wallahi it's cooked
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I watch this and my question is who do he think he is to decide how to portray a higher dimension?
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
FF didn't dodge anything. If Void's intention was to kill off FF he wouldn't have come down from the higher dimension shortly after to shove the god cube in his face again.

"But, he reacted to it!" Even that's debatable as demonstrated by the doubt of certain participants.
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Redcated said:
I was gonna refute this then i see the word "dodge" and "ff" in the same sentence, that tells me you don't read the manga or even if you read it you just skimming through it
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Lol chill guys.
Void literally mentioned his intention was to kill one of them. FF sensed the attacked, warned sonic then both dodged. In that brief moment blast hid sonic so that void would think him dead and approach ff with cube which was his intention. He always had the intention of killing one and taking the other one.
Pay attention before coming into assumption about others.
 
Adam1396 said:
Lol chill guys.
Void literally mentioned his intention was to kill one of them. FF sensed the attacked, warned sonic then both dodged. In that brief moment blast hid sonic so that void would think him dead and approach ff with cube which was his intention. He always had the intention of killing one and taking the other one.
Pay attention before coming into assumption about others.
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So Sonic is able to dodge DS, yes? We might have a different understanding of what "dodge" means here. Why would Blast have to help Sonic if Sonic already dodged the attack? Furthermore if FF's life was in grave danger why didn't Blast save both in that moment?
 
Adam1396 said:
Lol chill guys.
Void literally mentioned his intention was to kill one of them. FF sensed the attacked, warned sonic then both dodged. In that brief moment blast hid sonic so that void would think him dead and approach ff with cube which was his intention. He always had the intention of killing one and taking the other one.
Pay attention before coming into assumption about others.
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He sense the attack that WAS HAPPENED right in front of them. Unlike Blast. FF didn't dodge anything.
Pay attention to your source, dude.
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
So Sonic is able to dodge DS, yes? We might have a different understanding of what "dodge" means here. Why would Blast have to help Sonic if Sonic already dodged the attack? Furthermore if FF's life was in grave danger why didn't Blast save both in that moment?
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Yes. But with help of ff. If ff didn’t warn him, he would have gotten destroyed before knowing he has been attacked.

Blast didn’t help him dodging. Blast hide him to lure void. Sonic on his own can not dodge as he can't percieve the attack.

Because ff can dodge it quite easily. His life was not in grave danger
 
Adam1396 said:
Yes. But with help of ff. If ff didn’t warn him, he would have gotten destroyed before knowing he has been attacked.

Blast didn’t help him dodging. Blast hide him to lure void. Sonic on his own can not dodge as he can't percieve the attack.

Because ff can dodge it quite easily. His life was not in grave danger
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Interesting... He can dodge it "quite easily". Yeah, ok. I think other people will have a lot to say on that front. Pay me no mind.
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
Interesting... He can dodge it "quite easily". Yeah, ok. I think other people will have a lot to say on that front. Pay me no mind.
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Yeah. It's " quite easily" when you compare it with the context regarding the attack. I can't not believe things which contradicts what has been shown regardless of what people say.
 
I think saitama is getting empowered by other god. Otherwise his feats doesn’t make sense. Murata ain't a dumb mangaka
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
By your context DS is more reactable than EV's regular strikes despite them getting speed blitzed across the board.
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Both' speed should be same.
Difference is DS attack is thrown from a higher dimension and that's where ignoring distance comes from which is legit. Once it enters the universe speed should be same as his normal strike
 
Adam1396 said:
I think saitama is getting empowered by other god.
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That'd be the dumbest decision ever. Saitama being a chill guy who just got too strong by training is way better than the usual cliché "he is powered by another God, that's why he is so strong and can fight godly beings"
Adam1396 said:
Otherwise his feats doesn’t make sense. Murata ain't a dumb mangaka
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Saitama is constantly growing stronger, and many days have passed since MA arc. It is not inconsistent at all
 
Adam1396 said:
Both' speed should be same.
Difference is DS attack is thrown from a higher dimension and that's where ignoring distance comes from which is legit. Once it enters the universe speed should be same as his normal strike
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...so about those swords inside the universe? Void is still holding them outside causalty in hyperspace. Saying that the swords connected to a higher dimension should follow universe speed is like saying realspace physics/causalty affect those outside it.

Otherwise, If we are following your logic, if void were to slash at the bubbles, he would have already completed the sword swing from his perspective but in realspace, the sword should still be travelling.

But the panels show him still connected to it. Still manipulating swords with hands in a place outside of the causalty of the universe; movements and actions that are outside the causaulty of the universe; movements and actions that involves the swords currently inside the universe.
 
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Phoenks said:
If you think it is like a portal, then you just calculate where the portal is and how far the blade travelled from there.

If you think the blade just simply cuts through space-time to enter the universe, then it could be infinite or immeasurable speed.
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These are the same, at least from what I'm arguing. Void's projection sphere is exactly where his sword enters space. I feel if his attack was going across the universe to get to them they'd show planets/stars/etc. getting pierced. Murata is no stranger to deep space shots.

Logically, what Void can affect should be based on how far zoomed-in he is on a particular universe. I would imagine if he was very zoomed out to the point where he was viewing the observable universe, a single poke from his sword would obliterate galaxies.
 
Golden_Void said:
These are the same, at least from what I'm arguing. Void's projection sphere is exactly where his sword enters space. I feel if his attack was going across the universe to get to them they'd show planets/stars/etc. getting pierced. Murata is no stranger to deep space shots.

Logically, what Void can affect should be based on how far zoomed-in he is on a particular universe. I would imagine if he was very zoomed out to the point where he was viewing the observable universe, a single poke from his sword would obliterate galaxies.
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Speed simply varies in this case
 
Can someone remind me what the arguments for infinite/immeasurable speed were? I have been dismissing it this whole time but thinking over it, it might actually make sense. The whole exchange between Void and Saitama happened while Void was outside of causality. From the perspective of normal time flow, there should have been no time between the first and the second slashes.
 
Tural2004 said:
Can someone remind me what the arguments for infinite/immeasurable speed were? I have been dismissing it this whole time but thinking over it, it might actually make sense. The whole exchange between Void and Saitama happened while Void was outside of causality. From the perspective of normal time flow, there should have been no time between the first and the second slashes.
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Wait for the bump
 
ReusedOil said:
edit: I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT LET ME COOK

Wait, we might be looking at it the wrong way here. Instead of focusing on where the swords appeared or how fast it travells, lets instead consider what the sword's properties actually are. If we assume that the hyperverse dimension is outside the universe's causalty, and those swords carry over that ability instead of losing it once entering realspace... this means that any and all things that affect causalty, the swords simply ignore.

Time for example, affect causalty/a part of it. To say that time passed for the sword to travel, is to say that the causalty of the universe affected the swords.

Like yes we see the swords "moving", but we shouldn't think that for the sword, time is passing. Universe time doesn't apply to hyperspace. The swords are moving under their own "time". Like the swords could be moving at a snail's pace but from anyone elses perspective; real space; the swords move instantly.
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Bump

Theres a whole lot of supporting evidence with nothing really contradicting it. Ima just wait for someone else to elaborate
 
Phoenks said:
If you think it is like a portal, then you just calculate where the portal is and how far the blade travelled from there.

If you think the blade just simply cuts through space-time to enter the universe, then it could be infinite or immeasurable speed.

I have had the discussions off site and I still don't really know what makes the most sense.
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Already tried my best about that, would like to you check it.
Jirenoffical said:
Added. Even for Exosphere, the result is crazy. Just sending the same text with additions

For every possiblty, will use 1 second (low end) 13 miliseconds (mid end) and 1 miliseconds (high end) and 0,000000003336 seconds (EXTREME END)
[0.000000003336 is speed of light perception speed, which is Flashy Flash's reaction time.]

LOW End
Assuming it comes from where Void aims, which is sky.

MID End
Assuming it comes from edge of universe

HIGH End
Assuming the universe is infinite

1- LOW-Low END:
It's both from sky and happens in 1 second
Even though taking it as low as its from sky, i'll take it as the highest layer of sky, Exosphere, which has the top height of 3000km

For the Low end, assuming it happens in 1 second (which is literally impossible since Sonic and FF can't dodge it)- 3,000,000 meters per second (Hypersonic)

LOW-Mid end
Taking the same 3000km distance but 13 miliseconds-
3,000,000÷0,013=230,769,230.76923 meters per second(Relativistic+)

LOW-High end
Taking the same 3000km distance but 1 milisecond-
3,000,000÷0,001=3,000,000,000 meters per second (FTL+)

LOW-EXTREME end
Taking 3000km distance but 0.000000003336 seconds-
3,000,000÷0.000000003336=8,99280575539e+14 meters per second (MFTL+, 2,999,677.1150894 times SoL)

MID-Low end
Assuming its from the edge of universe (46.5 billion light-years: distance between earth and the edge of universe), in 1 second-
46.5 billion light years into meters=4.39923966975e+26 meters per second (MFTL+, 1.467.428.399.999.975.936[1,46 quintillion] times of SoL)

MID-Mid end
Taking same distance but 0,013 seconds-
4.39923966975e+26÷0,013=3.38402974596e+28 meters per second (MFTL+, 112.879.082.033.477.976.000 [112,87 quintillion] times of SoL)

MID-High end
Same distance but 0,001 seconds-
4.39923966975e+26÷0,001=4.39923966975e+29 meters per second (MFTL+, 1.467.428.399.999.975.950.000 [1,46 Sextillion] times of SoL)

MID-EXTREME end
Same distance but 0.000000003336 seconds-
4.39923966975e+26÷0.000000003336=1.3187169273831e+35 (MFTL+, 1,318,716,927,383,100,000,000,000,000,000 × 10⁵ [1.31 Nonillion times 1.000.000 {According to https://www.calculatorsoup dot com/calculators/math/scientific-notation-converter.php is "out of real number}] times SoL)

HIGH ENDS
{Of course using of time is useless here, so i'll just use assumes}

HIGH end 1-
The universe is infinite and whatever the time it takes for blade to hit is irrevelant, speed of attack is Infinity Speed

HIGH end 2-
The attack is beyond the causalty of the universe, because it is from Hyperspace which is out of causalty. Hyperspace is not just exceeding distance, energy and size but also time and other rules of universe since it is outside of causalty, and must have a time of its own. Moving in its own time and moving above the time flow of universe, the attack would be Immeasurable Speed.
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I've read multiple texts about the first DS having more than 2 slashes, which "should be impossible" because Void has 2 swords. But thinked about it, it is just a feat that proves Infinity or Immesuarable speed is more acceptable than others. Because Hyperspace is out of the causalty of the universe, it also is out of the time flow. Hyperspace must exists in its own space-time, and is above the one of 4d dimensions, the universes. And the reason Void could do more than 2 slashes is simply because time doesn't matter to him when he's outside the universe, he could do 7 slashes, which would take time for him, but would happen in an instant in the universe.
At least thats what i got from analyzing the first Dimensional Slash.
 
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