STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Gasper]

Might as well scale Boros to Saitama full speed in those arc just cus he can keep up with his ass.

They literally scale to the same ass feat wdym

 

[Quangotjokes]

Also Flash being blitzed by Void while he’s holding that Heavy cube and holding back is pretty impressive as well.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I'm sure that if it weren't for the current chapter, you would say the same shit too to Sonic.

FF purposedly holds his speed back even against characters who can fight him. His fight against the ninja duo shows that

Now tell me why Garou, who not only has shown to speedblitz characters previously (Garou, ENW, PS), but was also fighting against a threat he could barely damage at first and was trying to kill Tareo, would hold his speeds tens of times back.

 

[Worthless]

FF purposedly holds his speed back even against characters who can fight him. His fight against the ninja duo shows that

Now tell me why Garou, who not only has shown to speedblitz characters previously (Garou, ENW, PS), but was also fighting against a threat he could barely damage at first and was trying to kill Tareo, would hold his speeds tens of times back.

First, explain why it's important to use full speed against someone you can easily outpace without actually using your full speed. Are you trying to senselessly tire yourself more quickly for no reason?

 

[Worthless]

Saitama does this, FF does this and so do many anime characters. They only reveal their full speed when necessary, even against opponents they cannot beat. His previous action doesn't make him totally exclude fro. That fact as well.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

First, explain why it's important to use full speed against someone you can easily outpace without actually using your full speed. Are you trying to senselessly tire yourself more quickly for no reason?

More speed = More confusion to the other character + More attacks in less time ≡ More damage.

So, according to you, Garou, who was fighting to kill SC and could barely damage him at all at first, wasn't using his full strength to assest as many punches as posible to cause the maximum amaunt of damage... because it'd tire him out.

When he did literally that against Darkshine, he speedblitzed PS even when he could one shot him, he speedblitzed ENW, etc.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Saitama does this, FF does this and so do many anime characters. They only reveal their full speed when necessary, even against opponents they cannot beat. His previous action doesn't make him totally exclude fro. That fact as well.

Saitama holds back because he takes fights casual

FF holds back because he wanted to kill all the enemies in a single blow.

Garou had no reason to hold back, has shown not to hold back against sturdy enemies, and was fighting to save the only child he cares about... yet he's holding back according to you.

If you disagree with the ratings, ok. But ranting about them just because, according to you, a character would fight in a battle where he could die at any moment without taking advantage of his full speed, even when he's shown to previously, is silly

 

[Coomandar]

note: void is actually an esper.

 

[Coomandar]

easily top coolest opm villains

 

[Worthless]

More speed = More confusion to the other character + More attacks in less time ≡ More damage.

Except this overanalyzing tactic is rarely the reason why some characters go at full speed in anime. The confusion is often a natural byproduct of being faster and usually not really intentional
And young boy you can even argue that Sonic isn't utilizing his full speed against Sea King in their first encounter, despite being unable to damage him without the sword. Additionally, more speed doesn't necessarily equate to more damage—this isn't real life. What you are doing is simply overanalyzing it and throwing it at me. And also, more hits doesn't always equal to more damage. You can hit someone as many times as you want, but if the strength you exert doesn't have the capacity to harm that someone, then you are only tiring yourself. If the topic we are discussing is not fiction, then I would definitely agree with you.

So, according to you, Garou, who was fighting to kill SC and could barely damage him at all at first, wasn't using his full strength to assest as many punches as posible to cause the maximum amaunt of damage... because it'd tire him out.

It's not even about being unable to damage Sage, as Garou can already do that from the beginning, but his inability to damage SC enough to kill him in one go. You are not cooking.

Saitama holds back because he takes fights casual

FF holds back because he wanted to kill all the enemies in a single blow.

Garou had no reason to hold back, has shown not to hold back against sturdy enemies, and was fighting to save the only child he cares about... yet he's holding back according to you.

If you disagree with the ratings, ok. But ranting about them just because, according to you, a character would fight in a battle where he could die at any moment without taking advantage of his full speed, even when he's shown to previously, is silly.

hen he did literally that against Darkshine, he speedblitzed PS even when he could one shot him, he speedblitzed ENW, etc.

I mean if you lack the ability to tell the story without relaying on a stated statement then just say so.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Except this overanalyzing tactic is rarely the reason why some characters go at full speed in anime.

We don't care what characters do often in anime. We care about what the character we're talking about does

The confusion is often a natural byproduct of being faster and usually not really intentional
And young boy you can even argue that Sonic isn't utilizing his full speed against Sea King in their first encounter, despite being unable to damage him without the sword.

You don't argue that. You literally see that. Sonic speedblitzed DSK at the end of their fight to escape.

And the difference is: Sonic was going to escape. Garou is trying to fight and win the fight.

Instead of telling me what other characters do or don't do, tell me about Garou, who's who we're talking about.

Additionally, more speed doesn't necessarily equate to more damage—this isn't real life. What you are doing is simply overanalyzing it and throwing it at me

More speed = More punches. More punches = More damage. This is seen in OPM itself: CNP (Saitama) and Garou breaking his limiter are examples of this.

It's not even about being unable to damage Sage, as Garou can already do that from the beginning, but his inability to damage SC enough to kill him in one go.

Garou could barely damage SC.

He was at first trying to destroy all areas of his body to see if it'd work. Then he tried to destroy them in one go but couldn't cooperate with MB. Then the resonance started and he finally did actual serious damage to SC.

Why would he do all of that without his full speed? Why would he use several of his martial arts, but degraded on speed? Why would he not use his full speed to ensure SC wouldn't track him? You still haven't answered any question, just evaded them and talked about characters who are not Garou.

You are not cooking.

I mean if you lack the inability to tell the story without relaying on a stated statement then just say so.

And now you start insulting.

I didn't ask you for a direct statement. I asked you for a reason of why Garou would hold back on his speed. You never came with one, only said he would, despite he previously didn't hold back in speed even against stonewalls he couldn't damage like Darkshine (and even when he started to deal damage, he still kept his speed advantage... as anyone would do).

I can read the story, you just are not backing up your claims

 

[Emerald]

note: void is actually an esper.

Another stepping stone for Geryuganshoop "strongest psychic in the universe" scaling

 

[darkphantom9805]

note: void is actually an esper.

Coom thoughts on ftl tatsumaki scaling going out the window with the most recent chapter 🖐

 

[darkphantom9805]

So whats exactly the difference between empty void esper illusions and normal illusions?

 

[Worthless]

We don't care what characters do often in anime. We care about what the character we're talking about does.

So, you really believe Garou would not hold back his speed simply because of his previous actions? And the two characters I've given examples of are not even outside of OPM. There is no reason to think he won't do that, especially when the opponent in question is not even a speedster.

You don't argue that. You literally see that. Sonic speedblitzed DSK at the end of their fight to escape.

And the difference is: Sonic was going to escape. Garou is trying to fight and win the fight.

Instead of telling me what other characters do or don't do, tell me about Garou, who's who we're talking about.

You said it in the end of their fight

More speed = More punches. More punches = More damage. This is seen in OPM itself: CNP (Saitama) and Garou breaking his limiter are examples of this.

Wdym already seen when they are comparable so obviously more punches would hurt. And if you genuinely believe Garou cannot or could barely harm SC, then what makes you think those tactics you've mentioned would work? If that's how easy it is to beat a powerful monster, then he would have already done so.

Garou could barely damage SC.

Incorrect, not barely, but easily, he easily destroys the section of Sage Centipede that he touches with his fist. Again, I'll say it it's not a matter of damaging it, it's more about range or the ability to kill Sage's large body in one hit, which requires the most.

Why would he do all of that without his full speed? Why would he use several of his martial arts, but degraded on speed? Why would he not use his full speed to ensure SC wouldn't track him? You still haven't answered any question, just evaded them and talked about characters who are not Garou.

So the idea of him not using full speed because he doesn't need to, is that really crazy to you? Despite several characters within the show having done the same thing simply because it's not necessarily.

And now you start insulting.

Not an insult, but I forget how soft some people here can be.

I didn't ask you for a direct statement. I asked you for a reason of why Garou would hold back on his speed. You never came with one, only said he would, despite he previously didn't hold back in speed even against stonewalls he couldn't damage like Darkshine (and even when he started to deal damage, he still kept his speed advantage... as anyone would do).

I can read the story, you just are not backing up your claims

I don't think you woul agree with it or the people here in general anyway even If I explain. I've said it multiple times in this same thread that I value normal fans opinion more than many of you here. Y'all good at paying attention to physical details but not at reading narrative intentions like them. I remember making a post regarding to AC: Battle, years ago, for Saitama base purely on narrative intentions (still tried my best to actually present argument and scans for it) but got denied but I just check his profile yesterday and then I saw it lol.

 

[RinneItachi]

It's called One Punch Man. We missing One tapping strong villain

We still get that. It's just different levels of villains. Fodders like Orochi still get one-shotted but impressive adversaries like Boros manage to gain some acknowledgement. Anyone connected with God is probably not gonna get no-diff one-shotted by Saitama just by virtue of them being connected to God.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think they'll be destroying it or at least destroying huge galaxy clusters, and the damage will be restored. Possibly going to fight on an even higher-scale than universes. I'd hope for something like that because shaking the universe is only multi-solar-galaxy level depending on the variables. It's a super overrated feat actually that people usually think is universe level.

Murata's idea was that they have a final clash that reboots the universe and the manga ends with Salaryman Saitama and Highschool Genos meeting on a train.

Going by CF Garou it's not an implausible ending.

 

[Emerald]

Murata's idea was that they have a final clash that reboots the universe and the manga ends with Salaryman Saitama and Highschool Genos meeting on a train.

Huuuuh
When did he say that?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

So, you really believe Garou would not hold back his speed simply because of his previous actions?

Of course. That's what characters usually do, what they show to do, not what your headcanon saus they do

And the two characters I've given examples of are not even outside of OPM. There is no reason to think he won't do that, especially when the opponent in question is not even a speedster.

So? Going by that logic, all characters from OOPMmassively hold back when they fight just because Saitama and Boros, characters from OPM, hold back

You said it in the end of their fight

it was the end... because Sonic ran away

Wdym already seen when they are comparable so obviously more punches would hurt. And if you genuinely believe Garou cannot or could barely harm SC, then what makes you think those tactics you've mentioned would work? If that's how easy it is to beat a powerful monster, then he would have already done so.

Uhm, the whole Darkshine fight?

Like, are you serious here? Please, tell me you're not.

Incorrect, not barely, but easily, he easily destroys the section of Sage Centipede that he touches with his fist.

Destroying the external part of his body ≠ Doing good, significant damage

Again, I'll say it it's not a matter of damaging it, it's more about range or the ability to kill Sage's large body in one hit, which requires the most.

Yeah, that's what Garou realized later in the fight. Not at the very beginning. And even if you were right, it still does not deny him using his full speed. I still need to see proof for that

So the idea of him not using full speed because he doesn't need to, is that really crazy to you?

Of course. Garou has shown to use his full speed against slower characters all the time. Even against a "weak A class" like Saitama at his first attack (Saitama praised his speed, a feat only FF replicated)... but this time is different because it'd end up with you accepting MB scales to FF

Despite several characters within the show having done the same thing simply because it's not necessarily.

Again, different characters, different personalities, different ways to fight...

Not an insult, but I forget how soft some people here can be.

I don't think you woul agree with it or the people here in general anyway even If I explain. I've said it multiple times in this same thread that I value normal fans opinion more than many of you here. Y'all good at paying attention to physical details but not at reading narrative intentions like them.

I don't care what opinions you value the most. Here, we try to index the most logical rating to characters. And arguments like "Garou is not using his full speed because Sonic didn't use his full speed in a fight", or "Many anime characters don't use their full speed, so Garou neither does" are fallacious and do not work.

Sorry for believing a character who is fighting to death, and has not shown to hold back for no reason, let it alone when fighting against a powerful threat that would kill the only person that matters to him, is holding back in speed.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Huuuuh
When did he say that?

An old interview, I remember reading a that. You can, most likely, find it in OPM fandom wiki

 

[RinneItachi]

Murata's idea was that they have a final clash that reboots the universe and the manga ends with Salaryman Saitama and Highschool Genos meeting on a train.

Going by CF Garou it's not an implausible ending.

Yeah I remember that. Haunts me to this day thinking of how dog-shit that ending sounds.

Huuuuh
When did he say that?

Murata Q/A stream. He doesn't do them anymore I think but he used to do livestreams where he would be drawing OPM and would run a Q/A at the same time. In one of them someone asked what he thinks the ending of the series will be like and that was his response. Have to go to work so can't find it but it's not hard. All of his Q/A's are fully translated and posted on the main wiki for OPM.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Anyone connected with God is probably not gonna get no-diff one-shotted by Saitama just by virtue of them being connected to God

Wasn’t psykorochi and homeless emperor connected pretty sure saitama breathing to hard would vape them

 

[Qawsedf234]

Huuuuh
When did he say that?

Murata: Few things in life are more exciting than giving creative input and shaping the future of OPM together with ONE sensei.

Murata: ONE told me a little about the finale or maybe I should say a bite before the finale. How would the last chapter look like? Would it touch on the secret of Saitama's power? Or it might also be nice if it stays secret until the end.

T: Maybe elements of Saitama weakening

Murata: Ahhh possible, say if the god who gave Homeless Emperor power, also gave Saitama power, then Saitama defeated that god. Then Saitama loses his power, loses his memories, his hair grows back, and lives a normal life after that, but he still wants to be a hero so he starts by doing some hero activities in the community. Then one customer comes up to him, that'll be Genos, who also turned back to a normal human. "Please take me as your disciple!" "Uh no, I'm super weak! I have nothing to teach you." Then Genos drops a stack of cash and Saitama goes, "Did you bring your toothbrush?" Hahaha Then One Punch Man ends.

Murata: Normal Saitama and normal Genos, two of them continue their hero activities for fun.

T: Then Genos is probably stronger.

Murata: Yeah maybe he is, but that's not bad either

Murata: Oh everything I said is not official, it's just me ranting and making guesses.

 

[Gasper]

Will Void get a profile soon or are we waiting for the arc to finish?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Yall could do the sandbox, but it is way better to wait until the arc ends to see where his statistics really scale and what abilities he really has

 

[darkphantom9805]

Why would you make a profile when we have 0 actual scaling rn for him

 

[Engine]

Just realized Blast should have some form of resistance to mind manip.

Every psychic's/ESPer too

 

[darkphantom9805]

Every psychic's/ESPer too

What no it wouldn’t just being an esper doesn’t make you immune to mind hax either you have feats of resistance or you don’t unless your saitama who resists everything in the verse

 

[Engine]

What no it wouldn’t just being an esper doesn’t make you immune to mind hax either you have feats of resistance or you don’t unless your saitama who resists everything in the verse

Yeah but the ESPers we encountered so far has that tho only the strong one's

 

[Engine]

The question that still bothering me:
Is Saitama retain his strength that he gained from other timeline right now?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Yeah but the ESPers we encountered so far has that tho only the strong one's

They don’t unless you talking about DoS or something which isn’t same hax but as it stands now its working on everyone not named saitama blast and god exceptions being possibly Boros possibly garou possibly blast crew and void ninja

 

[Damage3245]

The question that still bothering me:
Is Saitama retain his strength that he gained from other timeline right now?

Probably not.

 

[Worthless]

Of course. That's what characters usually do, what they show to do, not what your headcanon saus they do.

Are you seriously suggesting that Garou doesn't know how to hold back? Seriously? And do you even realize that you're essentially saying Garou is utilizing all his speed against a centipede that even the average guys in the helicopter can see approaching them? Which is absurd.

So? Going by that logic, all characters from OOPMmassively hold back when they fight just because Saitama and Boros, characters from OPM, hold back.

That's not even the point

it was the end... because Sonic ran away

Uhm, the whole Darkshine fight?

Like, are you serious here? Please, tell me you're not.

Are you purposely ignoring the fact that his strength also grows?

Destroying the external part of his body ≠ Doing good, significant damage.

The main advantage SC has against Garou is his size, if it weren't for its size, SC would have been one-shotted by Garou.

Yeah, that's what Garou realized later in the fight. Not at the very beginning. And even if you were right, it still does not deny him using his full speed. I still need to see proof for that.

You don't need proof for something so obvious.

Of course. Garou has shown to use his full speed against slower characters all the time. Even against a "weak A class" like Saitama at his first attack (Saitama praised his speed, a feat only FF replicated)... but this time is different because it'd end up with you accepting MB scales to FF..

And your evidence that he is using his full speed in that moment? Are you seriously saying that Garou doesn't know how to hold back his speed? Don't you realize how absurd the idea that Garou is using his maximum speed even against opponents he thinks significantly slower than him? Seriously? And are you seriously saying MB is as fast as FF?

Again, different characters, different personalities, different ways to fight...

I can say the same thing about your argument to SC. Different opponent, different tactics. The tactics you mentioned are pointless as SC is too big for it and would just regenerate

I don't care what opinions you value the most. Here, we try to index the most logical rating to characters. And arguments like "Garou is not using his full speed because Sonic didn't use his full speed in a fight", or "Many anime characters don't use their full speed, so Garou neither does" are fallacious and do not work.

"Here" I'm suppressing the urge to respond to this with a clown emoji... If you genuinely believe the current tiering is logical, I'm not sure what else to say to you.

Sorry for believing a character who is fighting to death, and has not shown to hold back for no reason, let it alone when fighting against a powerful threat that would kill the only person that matters to him, is holding back in speed.

You're over exaggerating. I don't even know why I'm bothering. Do you really think I haven't heard the same reasoning before? Your argument is nothing new to me.

 

[Engine]

They don’t unless you talking about DoS or something which isn’t same hax but as it stands now its working on everyone not named saitama blast and god exceptions being possibly Boros possibly garou possibly blast crew and void ninja

Boros sneak, your credibility reduced

 

[Remus1998]

If Flashy Flash takes God's hand imma kill him

Also do people still think that the giant cosmic hole was the dark side of the moon?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Are you seriously suggesting that Garou doesn't know how to hold back? Seriously?

He does not hold back against monsters, no. You saying he does goes against source material

And do you even realize that you're essentially saying Garou is utilizing all his speed against a centipede that even the average guys in the helicopter can see approaching them? Which is absurd.

PIS. Guess now MB is human level speed because of that, right?

Helicopter people could see Garou because plot demanded them seeing Garou as something more than a monster. The same reason why slower characters can tag faster ones. Genos talking to Saitama when he was about to death punch flash (speedblitzing him) is an example.

Guess according to you Saitama was holding back in speed in Jupiter because Genos could watch all the fight on his core... or he held back because BS could see him zero-punching Garou...

Please, learn about PIS

Are you purposely ignoring the fact that his strength also grows?

So? How is it related to Garou holding back in speed?

The main advantage SC has against Garou is his size, if it weren't for its size, SC would have been one-shotted by Garou.

So? And hell no. Garou couldn't one shot SC until the end of the fight. And I'm the one who cannot read the narrative

You don't need proof for something so obvious.

"So obvious" that contradict the source material

And your evidence that he is using his full speed in that moment? Are you seriously saying that Garou doesn't know how to hold back his speed?

No, I'm not. I'm saying he does not hold back while in a death battle.

Don't you realize how absurd the idea that Garou is using his maximum speed even against opponents he thinks significantly slower than him? Seriously? And are you seriously saying MB is as fast as FF?

That is what feats say, yes. You disagree? Cool. But that is what the manga shows, such as FF being sturdier than Darkshine

I can say the same thing about your argument to SC. Different opponent, different tactics. The tactics you mentioned are pointless as SC is too big for it and would just regenerate

Garou was... literally, using his speed during the fight. And trying to reach a tactic that would work. He didn't know they wouldn't work at first. Have you really read the fight?

"Here" I'm suppressing the urge to respond to this with a clown emoji... If you genuinely believe the current tiering is logical, I'm not sure what else to say to you.

The tiering system is being changed, and we're talking about the low-class of the tiering system –based in joules–. If you think that is illogical, then guess you shouldn't debate

You're over exaggerating. I don't even know why I'm bothering. Do you really think I haven't heard the same reasoning before? Your argument is nothing new to me.

At least I'm offering an argument. All you're saying is, summarized, "Garou would hold back. Why? Because I say so", "MB cannot scale to FF!", "Humans could see Garou! So he definitely held back!"

Hell. If you look at the fight, you'd actually see situations where Garou couldn't evade SC attacks because he was too near. Something that shouldn't happen if, according to you, he was holding back that much... Just because you cannot agree in MB scaling to FF because of your bias

Edit: Anyway, I'm tired of wasting my time here. If you are so convinced the tier is so wrong it is obvious and anyone could see it, then stop ranting and do a CRT. It is useless to continue this conversation here if you're not going to listen, not give any actual argument and just demand that everything is "too obvious".

 

[RinneItachi]

Wasn’t psykorochi and homeless emperor connected pretty sure saitama breathing to hard would vape them

God only gave them energy blast abilities. Probably because Psykorochi wasn't reaching God directly like other characters have via the God Cubes, and because Homeless Emperor is a random fodder human.

 

[RinneItachi]

The question that still bothering me:
Is Saitama retain his strength that he gained from other timeline right now?

Doesn't seem like it. I'm guessing that in the future that part of him will reawaken or something. Maybe when he fights God who knows. Right now I doubt it.

 

[Gasper]

Can this feat calculated? It looks like Garou's Nuclear fission is far larger than earth in this specific instance.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I doubt it'd give a feat even remotely comparable to their actual AP, so I don't see why it should be calculated