• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Recon1511 said:
Fodders? The Ninja Duo? The two of them can kill all the cadres except Platinum Sperm lol
Click to expand...
With the current ratings, they stalemate Gouketsu at best. Ninjas also have notoriously bad DC against larger opponents so they would probably lose against Elder Centipede in the long run as well.
 
psykos was the one who gave them the cells and she pretty much analyze everyone in the association, she would definetely sent them to fight tatsumaki if they were really strong.


you are literally missing the compatibility system and going against the wiki because we literally accepted her as one of the main sources of the verse
 
What kind of Regen does Garou have in his monster form? He seemingly regenerated his arms out of thin air.
 
Do you both realize that if Psykos knows about Hellfire and Galewind's full power the whole scaling falls apart?

Pre-Molt EC < Tatsumaki (perceived by Psykos) < base Gyoro Gyoro = Garou (GG said if she fought Garou she would need to expend strength and she wanted to be at full power. You can also argue the power GG was using on Garou was the one that could defeat Tats, as she stated) < Orochi Garou < Spiral Garou < Post Darkshine Garou = weakened Bomb < Bomb= Bang < AB Bang = FF= Ninjas (there are slight differences, but they are all comparable in terms of raw physical stats).

Ninjas are just that high, they are way higher than what Psykos thought Tatsuamki could do. She just didn't know about their powers, because if she did, that would mean Tatsumaki the version of Garou who fought Gyoro Gyoro could stomp the ninjas, and that's blatantly false. The fact they weren't considered even cadres despite scaling above almost every cadre means she didn't know shit.

Also, Phoenix Man, who is one of the most knowledgeable members in the MA, said (pre-redraw) the ninjas should be pretty strong. He doesn't even know their levels accurately. They are ninjas and are on a mission for a reason. Their plans are beyond MA's, their main goal is to defeat Flashy Flash, they don't need to reveal more things than Psykos needs to know.
 
If ONE or Murata somehow confirmed that Saitama really has Space Time and Causality manipulation does that mean time stop and other related abilities can be resisted?
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Actually I think the heavenly ninja part could take out all the cadre at once
Click to expand...
I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
 
Ourosboros said:
I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
Click to expand...
Expect more speed feats
 
Ourosboros said:
I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
Click to expand...
I agree with you, but I don't care, they already scale to PS level individually.
 
Tural2004 said:
With the current ratings, they stalemate Gouketsu at best. Ninjas also have notoriously bad DC against larger opponents so they would probably lose against Elder Centipede in the long run as well.
Click to expand...
Forgot about Gouketsu and fair enough about EC I guess
 
Ourosboros said:
I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
Click to expand...
Very likely yeah but I hope we get a new constellation feat with all the ninjas involved, that'd be neat even if the result is lower than current speed ratings
 
ImposingTiger said:
The initial normal punch has a confirmed set strength, it is referred in the databook as a test punch. From there, he keeps on throwing stronger normal punches based on the strength of the opponent, but the initial punch is always the same, with the exception of humans, dogs, situations where he needs to save people/his house, etc.

Saitama hasn't grown any stronger since the Boros fight. He has stated several times in the series that he doesn't feel anything and thinks he can't grow anymore (he monologues about this before the Mosquito Girl fight and during his talk with King. Also, there is an extra chapter where he monologues about that). His strength changes when there is excitement in a fight, but he hasn't got that until his fight with Garou. And I don't think I need to go into why the VGS is wrong, there are many arguments against it. And even if he grew, that wouldn't contradict the fact that his test punch has a set amount of AP.


Again, the databook goes against that. Also, Saitama has an exceptional management of his strnegth during fights. To say he doesn't think about how strong he is punching is a blatant lie, because he can put the precise amount of effort into a punch to knock someone as strong as Garou/ Rover out, without killing them.
Click to expand...
"the databook" Lol.

How does the databook calling it a test punch somehow suggest that he always uses the same level of power to start a fight even later in the manga? Do you realize how little sense that even makes my guy. If Saitama's no-effort attacks can one-shot his opponents, what's the point in testing their strength anyways. He's looking for a good fight, not to analyze how strong people specifically are lmao. If he uses the same level of punch even currently in the manga, that would mean he's testing if his opponent is at least, like, practically a million times weaker than himself. There is no sense or logic behind that argument and also very little evidence to support it. And furthermore, that still doesn't suggest his punches against Orochi were of the same level at all.

"Saitama hasn't grown any stronger" etc.

Have you been reading the same manga as us? It is literally, objectively confirmed in the Garou fight that Saitama has limited power but limitless potential, and is ALWAYS growing, now just when he is excited and you...god I can't believe I'm seeing that argument here. Saitama WAS NOT growing because he got "excited", Saitama was growing because Garou killed Genos. Saitama literally says that even though he's found a good fight, he doesn't care and doesn't feel excited, and just wants to beat the shit out of Garou, furthermore, the narrator, literally, refers to it as an emotional upsurge, and I quote, "like none he had ever felt before". Which automatically destroys that argument, and I can not understand how so many people misinterpret that. Also, in this same explanation from the narrator, he explains says that the emotional upsurge caused Saitama's growth to exponentially increase, while also saying that Saitama had always continued to grow, which means that yes, Saitama is always growing, just not nearly on the same level as against Garou, you can't exponentially increase from 0, so that means he has to have been growing for his growth rate to undergo an exponential boost, that much is very obvious and just basic common sense. People put this TOGETHER with the audiobook where Saitama one-shots himself from the previous day as well because it's very logical to combine the two points, few people ever considered the audiobook scene to be confirmed or even extremely likely until now where we have confirmation that Saitama has accelerated development. Genus explains that the Limiter is the restriction to growth, and removing it removes said limitation. We also see that Saitama when he was still during the middle of his training but after breaking his Limiter struggled to perform a sub-light speed feat whereas bald Saitama considers attacks of that level to be a bad joke. Saitama outright says in the audiobook that, of course, he would beat himself from the previous day...

Saitama has never actually said that he literally can't get stronger and you are completely taking his words out of context. What Saitama has said is that he metaphorically cannot make any more growth or reach any new heights, because he's already at the top. If a mountain climber reaches the top of Mount Everest, that's it, there's no more goals to strive for that would be on a higher level, there's no more growth, thus, stagnation. That doesn't mean they can't get better at mountain climbing, but what's even the point then, if they could conquer the biggest challenge of all, there aren't any more feats above that to accomplish. Saitama feels as though he's already the pinnacle of power in his world, which is what ONE had in mind when writing the character as he explained in a Q/A, so yes, he's already at the top and there's no more room for growth, but that doesn't mean he can't still get stronger in a literal sense which he objectively can. The entire point of his power is that he has removed the limitations to his physical growth.

The databook doesn't hold any relevance, you're taking a random vague phrase used probably one time I'm guessing from a databook filled with statements so laughably, horrendously off the mark, that it completely ruins most credibility the databook has. Unless you think that Marugori is city block level and Atomic Samurai can cut atoms.
 
Last edited:
RinneItachi said:
"the databook" Lol.

How does the databook calling it a test punch somehow suggest that he always uses the same level of power to start a fight even later in the manga? Do you realize how little sense that even makes my guy. If Saitama's no-effort attacks can one-shot his opponents, what's the point in testing their strength anyways. He's looking for a good fight, not to analyze how strong people specifically are lmao. If he uses the same level of punch even currently in the manga, that would mean he's testing if his opponent is at least, like, practically a million times weaker than himself. There is no sense or logic behind that argument and also very little evidence to support it. And furthermore, that still doesn't suggest his punches against Orochi were of the same level at all.

"Saitama hasn't grown any stronger" etc.

Have you been reading the same manga as us? It is literally, objectively confirmed in the Garou fight that Saitama has limited power but limitless potential, and is ALWAYS growing, now just when he is excited and you...god I can't believe I'm seeing that argument here. Saitama WAS NOT growing because he got "excited", Saitama was growing because Garou killed Genos. Saitama literally says that even though he's found a good fight, he doesn't care and doesn't feel excited, and just wants to beat the shit out of Garou, furthermore, the narrator, literally, refers to it as an emotional upsurge, and I quote, "like none he had ever felt before". Which automatically destroys that argument, and I can not understand how so many people misinterpret that. Also, in this same explanation from the narrator, he explains says that the emotional upsurge caused Saitama's growth to exponentially increase, while also saying that Saitama had always continued to grow, which means that yes, Saitama is always growing, just not nearly on the same level as against Garou, you can't exponentially increase from 0, so that means he has to have been growing for his growth rate to undergo an exponential boost, that much is very obvious and just basic common sense. People put this TOGETHER with the audiobook where Saitama one-shots himself from the previous day as well because it's very logical to combine the two points, few people ever considered the audiobook scene to be confirmed or even extremely likely until now where we have confirmation that Saitama has accelerated development. Genus explains that the Limiter is the restriction to growth, and removing it removes said limitation. We also see that Saitama when he was still during the middle of his training but after breaking his Limiter struggled to perform a sub-light speed feat whereas bald Saitama considers attacks of that level to be a bad joke. Saitama outright says in the audiobook that, of course, he would beat himself from the previous day...

Saitama has never actually said that he literally can't get stronger and you are completely taking his words out of context. What Saitama has said is that he metaphorically cannot make any more growth or reach any new heights, because he's already at the top. If a mountain climber reaches the top of Mount Everest, that's it, there's no more goals to strive for that would be on a higher level, there's no more growth, thus, stagnation. That doesn't mean they can't get better at mountain climbing, but what's even the point then, if they could conquer the biggest challenge of all, there aren't any more feats above that to accomplish. Saitama feels as though he's already the pinnacle of power in his world, which is what ONE had in mind when writing the character as he explained in a Q/A, so yes, he's already at the top and there's no more room for growth, but that doesn't mean he can't still get stronger in a literal sense which he objectively can. The entire point of his power is that he has removed the limitations to his physical growth.

The databook doesn't hold any relevance, you're taking a random vague phrase used probably one time I'm guessing from a databook filled with statements so laughably, horrendously off the mark, that it completely ruins most credibility the databook has. Unless you think that Marugori is city block level and Atomic Samurai can cut atoms.
Click to expand...
I'll read and respond to all of that whenever I can, too busy with school work right now.
 
i will use the test punch argument to upgrade tatsumaki’s lifting to immeasurable since she can move all creation and has infinite power, according to databook
 
alright time for me to step in
RinneItachi said:
"the databook" Lol.

How does the databook calling it a test punch somehow suggest that he always uses the same level of power to start a fight even later in the manga? Do you realize how little sense that even makes my guy. If Saitama's no-effort attacks can one-shot his opponents, what's the point in testing their strength anyways. He's looking for a good fight, not to analyze how strong people specifically are lmao. If he uses the same level of punch even currently in the manga, that would mean he's testing if his opponent is at least, like, practically a million times weaker than himself. There is no sense or logic behind that argument and also very little evidence to support it. And furthermore, that still doesn't suggest his punches against Orochi were of the same level at all.
Click to expand...
https://vsbattles.com/threads/consi...n-armored-boros-durability-suggestion.153245/ I'll just drop this here
read section 2, it's the easiest way for me to convey everything to you without removing information. You ought to look at everything there, but in a nutshell
there's numerous pieces of evidence that Saitama uses the same normal punch/one-punch, and even an explicit statement that he couldn't tell if Gouketsu was different because of the fact that he was one shot. Saitama took attacks from Gouketsu and was unable to tell if he was any stronger than the likes of Bakuzan.
This Bakuzan.
aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lL2txbHpkMy5wbmc=
aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lLzYxMGhubC5wbmc=

RinneItachi said:
"Saitama hasn't grown any stronger" etc.

Have you been reading the same manga as us? It is literally, objectively confirmed in the Garou fight that Saitama has limited power but limitless potential, and is ALWAYS growing, now just when he is excited and you...god I can't believe I'm seeing that argument here. Saitama WAS NOT growing because he got "excited", Saitama was growing because Garou killed Genos. Saitama literally says that even though he's found a good fight, he doesn't care and doesn't feel excited, and just wants to beat the shit out of Garou, furthermore, the narrator, literally, refers to it as an emotional upsurge, and I quote, "like none he had ever felt before". Which automatically destroys that argument, and I can not understand how so many people misinterpret that. Also, in this same explanation from the narrator, he explains says that the emotional upsurge caused Saitama's growth to exponentially increase, while also saying that Saitama had always continued to grow, which means that yes, Saitama is always growing, just not nearly on the same level as against Garou, you can't exponentially increase from 0, so that means he has to have been growing for his growth rate to undergo an exponential boost, that much is very obvious and just basic common sense. People put this TOGETHER with the audiobook where Saitama one-shots himself from the previous day as well because it's very logical to combine the two points, few people ever considered the audiobook scene to be confirmed or even extremely likely until now where we have confirmation that Saitama has accelerated development. Genus explains that the Limiter is the restriction to growth, and removing it removes said limitation. We also see that Saitama when he was still during the middle of his training but after breaking his Limiter struggled to perform a sub-light speed feat whereas bald Saitama considers attacks of that level to be a bad joke. Saitama outright says in the audiobook that, of course, he would beat himself from the previous day...
Click to expand...
This is all very cool, but
1. The vgs is blatantly unreliable, and has even specifically shown unreliability with another character who utilizes AD when metal bat is unable to use his fighting spirit
2. The vgs worked by storing a copy of the opponent's data and then having people fight that copy. It is clearly shown that Genos is incapable of measuring Saitama's strength, so Saitama just ends up stomping whatever virtual clone of him there is.
oh yeah, and if this seems baseless

"Genos: Sensei is far more powerful today than he was yesterday… is that even possible?
Saitama: It’s just unreliable simulated data right?"
🗿
we've been through this so many times, stop using the god damn simulator as evidence.

Now to address other things. That passive growth that was talked about? We know 2 things about it
1st, we know that it's linear growth, which is pointless for someone who has reached that level of strength. It's like being a trillionaire and then having some good samaritan donate 10 dollars to you every day. Not impactful
but if that seems like headcanon, then consider this
2. We literally already know where the passive growth comes from
don't forget that Saitama still does his training routine. The problem is that it's been made explicit that Saitama has reached a point where doing 100 pushups a day doesn't mean jack. The only reason he even does that tiny tiny little beyond insignificant growth at all is because he has no limiter, so there's at least no technical biological limitation like when someone reached a plateau in real life, but the growth is still shit.
Like unless he has some spare black holes to bench like in the non canon cover, it's safe to say that the 2 months of training Saitama's done since BoS....have not made him anywhere NEAR a relevant amount stronger. it's so small thatt even Saitama can't notice his own growth, hence the statment that he can't get any stronger.

Saitama's accelerated development pre limiter breaking was purely through intense training and zenkai boosts (which is something everyone in the verse has)
Saitama's training is no longer even a fraction of a fraction of intense, and even against Cosmic Garou's peak he was never in any real danger or actually injured beyond maybe having blood drawn a couple times. So there's absolutely no way for him to grow any amount that matters.
RinneItachi said:
Saitama has never actually said that he literally can't get stronger
Click to expand...
He "literally" did tho
aHR0cHM6Ly9maWxlcy5jYXRib3gubW9lL3BvZWFvaC5wbmc=

RinneItachi said:
The databook doesn't hold any relevance, you're taking a random vague phrase used probably one time I'm guessing from a databook filled with statements so laughably, horrendously off the mark, that it completely ruins most credibility the databook has. Unless you think that Marugori is city block level and Atomic Samurai can cut atoms.
Click to expand...
to be fair I'm also unsure if such a databook statement about the test punch really exists



anyways overall, 8/10 response from you
your logical overall is sound but the only reason it's wrong is due to quite a few overlooked factors and scans and whatnot is all.
 
am all am gonna say is that we clearly see a graph that showed blatant evidence of saitama having AD and the fact his limiter breaking stating as basically having "no ceilling". like bro was stomping garou who legit managed to copy his strenght at that time.
 
I feel a strong compulsion to attempt a CRT about "AP equalization within a certain boundary" but I know it'll never go through.

I mean everyone knows how it is when a seemingly good match-up gets made just for someone to come and "explain" why character A one-shots or otherwise stomps character B because some fan calc determined the exact strength of each character. If a match-up is decided between two characters with comparable feats in the same tier just because a fan calc puts one character at some specific mathematically deduced level above another character (like a 7x times difference or whatever just cause "Hm the radius of this explosion is this big and something about kinetic energy or thermodynamics or whatever bs"), it's hyper-cringe and the definition of the 🤓 meme.

Not saying every character within the same tier can be equalized because obviously, there is still gonna be a genuine and obvious gap in power from time to time if not most of the time. But if their specifically deduced AP's are not that far apart at all, are clearly of the same general level, and the only reason why we say one is significantly stronger than the other is because someone calculated it, I think that's just an issue and literally takes away any sense of fun. Some people say versus debates/powerscaling is a waste of time, but the only reason why people have these discussions is out of enjoyment, and if someone doesn't enjoy these discussions, that's when it becomes a sincere waste of time.
 
Last edited:
RinneItachi said:
I feel a strong compulsion to attempt a CRT about "AP equalization within a certain boundary" but I know it'll never go through.

I mean everyone knows how it is when a seemingly good match-up gets made just for someone to come and "explain" why character A one-shots or otherwise stomps character B because some fan calc determined the exact strength of each character. If a match-up is decided between two characters with comparable feats in the same tier just because a fan calc puts one character at some specific mathematically deduced level above another character (like a 7x times difference or whatever just cause "Hm the radius of this explosion is this big!"), it's hyper-cringe and the definition of the 🤓 meme.
Click to expand...
equalizing AP within a tier is raw.
a high 6-A with 200 petatons being able to fight a high 6-A at 3 exatons seems perfectly fine to me
 
ZillertheBucko said:
equalizing AP within a tier is raw.
a high 6-A with 200 petatons being able to fight a high 6-A at 3 exatons seems perfectly fine to me
Click to expand...
Nah it depends on specifics, especially when you enter the interstellar tiers. Equalizing two multi-solar system levels just cause "wowzers same tier!" is silly and no one should need to explain why.
 
Imo it should be a case-by-case basis instead of a set rule. Let people use their own judgement to determine if equalizing AP's would be fair in any specific circumstance.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

LIFE_OF_KING
Minor addition for Saitama
Replies
18
Views
3K
Epiccheev
Epiccheev
Damage3245
  • Locked
One-Punch Man Mosquito Calculation Issue
Replies
15
Views
1K
Damage3245
Damage3245
Second22
CMF Garou’s Profile Some Issues
Replies
36
Views
3K
JustANormalPerson01
JustANormalPerson01
TyranoDoom30
OPM profiles possible renaming
Replies
6
Views
4K
Epiccheev
Epiccheev
Shadow_x007x
  • Locked
Blast and Awakened Garou 4-A
Replies
34
Views
4K
Golden_Void
Golden_Void
Back
Top