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With the current ratings, they stalemate Gouketsu at best. Ninjas also have notoriously bad DC against larger opponents so they would probably lose against Elder Centipede in the long run as well.Fodders? The Ninja Duo? The two of them can kill all the cadres except Platinum Sperm lol
Fodders for "TATSUMAKI" and literally other ninjasFodders? The Ninja Duo? The two of them can kill all the cadres except Platinum Sperm lol
The current ninja duo would likely force plat to mid-high diff them as wellFodders? The Ninja Duo? The two of them can kill all the cadres except Platinum Sperm lol
Individually, they could pose a threat to PS for all we know.The current ninja duo would likely force plat to mid-high diff them as well
The heavenly ninja party together rather simplistically beats plat as well
I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.Actually I think the heavenly ninja part could take out all the cadre at once
Expect more speed featsI'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
I agree with you, but I don't care, they already scale to PS level individually.I'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
Forgot about Gouketsu and fair enough about EC I guessWith the current ratings, they stalemate Gouketsu at best. Ninjas also have notoriously bad DC against larger opponents so they would probably lose against Elder Centipede in the long run as well.
Very likely yeah but I hope we get a new constellation feat with all the ninjas involved, that'd be neat even if the result is lower than current speed ratingsI'm honestly expecting them to get 0 feats. We haven't gotten any surprisingly powerful feats since Apollo caused his 7-A earthquakes back in the psychic sisters arc, I'm worried the ninjas won't manage anything more impressive than small building level feats.
Yeah we'll definitely get some of thoseExpect more speed feats
"the databook" Lol.The initial normal punch has a confirmed set strength, it is referred in the databook as a test punch. From there, he keeps on throwing stronger normal punches based on the strength of the opponent, but the initial punch is always the same, with the exception of humans, dogs, situations where he needs to save people/his house, etc.
Saitama hasn't grown any stronger since the Boros fight. He has stated several times in the series that he doesn't feel anything and thinks he can't grow anymore (he monologues about this before the Mosquito Girl fight and during his talk with King. Also, there is an extra chapter where he monologues about that). His strength changes when there is excitement in a fight, but he hasn't got that until his fight with Garou. And I don't think I need to go into why the VGS is wrong, there are many arguments against it. And even if he grew, that wouldn't contradict the fact that his test punch has a set amount of AP.
Again, the databook goes against that. Also, Saitama has an exceptional management of his strnegth during fights. To say he doesn't think about how strong he is punching is a blatant lie, because he can put the precise amount of effort into a punch to knock someone as strong as Garou/ Rover out, without killing them.
I'll read and respond to all of that whenever I can, too busy with school work right now."the databook" Lol.
How does the databook calling it a test punch somehow suggest that he always uses the same level of power to start a fight even later in the manga? Do you realize how little sense that even makes my guy. If Saitama's no-effort attacks can one-shot his opponents, what's the point in testing their strength anyways. He's looking for a good fight, not to analyze how strong people specifically are lmao. If he uses the same level of punch even currently in the manga, that would mean he's testing if his opponent is at least, like, practically a million times weaker than himself. There is no sense or logic behind that argument and also very little evidence to support it. And furthermore, that still doesn't suggest his punches against Orochi were of the same level at all.
"Saitama hasn't grown any stronger" etc.
Have you been reading the same manga as us? It is literally, objectively confirmed in the Garou fight that Saitama has limited power but limitless potential, and is ALWAYS growing, now just when he is excited and you...god I can't believe I'm seeing that argument here. Saitama WAS NOT growing because he got "excited", Saitama was growing because Garou killed Genos. Saitama literally says that even though he's found a good fight, he doesn't care and doesn't feel excited, and just wants to beat the shit out of Garou, furthermore, the narrator, literally, refers to it as an emotional upsurge, and I quote, "like none he had ever felt before". Which automatically destroys that argument, and I can not understand how so many people misinterpret that. Also, in this same explanation from the narrator, he explains says that the emotional upsurge caused Saitama's growth to exponentially increase, while also saying that Saitama had always continued to grow, which means that yes, Saitama is always growing, just not nearly on the same level as against Garou, you can't exponentially increase from 0, so that means he has to have been growing for his growth rate to undergo an exponential boost, that much is very obvious and just basic common sense. People put this TOGETHER with the audiobook where Saitama one-shots himself from the previous day as well because it's very logical to combine the two points, few people ever considered the audiobook scene to be confirmed or even extremely likely until now where we have confirmation that Saitama has accelerated development. Genus explains that the Limiter is the restriction to growth, and removing it removes said limitation. We also see that Saitama when he was still during the middle of his training but after breaking his Limiter struggled to perform a sub-light speed feat whereas bald Saitama considers attacks of that level to be a bad joke. Saitama outright says in the audiobook that, of course, he would beat himself from the previous day...
Saitama has never actually said that he literally can't get stronger and you are completely taking his words out of context. What Saitama has said is that he metaphorically cannot make any more growth or reach any new heights, because he's already at the top. If a mountain climber reaches the top of Mount Everest, that's it, there's no more goals to strive for that would be on a higher level, there's no more growth, thus, stagnation. That doesn't mean they can't get better at mountain climbing, but what's even the point then, if they could conquer the biggest challenge of all, there aren't any more feats above that to accomplish. Saitama feels as though he's already the pinnacle of power in his world, which is what ONE had in mind when writing the character as he explained in a Q/A, so yes, he's already at the top and there's no more room for growth, but that doesn't mean he can't still get stronger in a literal sense which he objectively can. The entire point of his power is that he has removed the limitations to his physical growth.
The databook doesn't hold any relevance, you're taking a random vague phrase used probably one time I'm guessing from a databook filled with statements so laughably, horrendously off the mark, that it completely ruins most credibility the databook has. Unless you think that Marugori is city block level and Atomic Samurai can cut atoms.
excusesI'll read and respond to all of that whenever I can, too busy with school work right now.
You wish. I always reply, unlike someone I know ofexcuses
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/consi...n-armored-boros-durability-suggestion.153245/ I'll just drop this here"the databook" Lol.
How does the databook calling it a test punch somehow suggest that he always uses the same level of power to start a fight even later in the manga? Do you realize how little sense that even makes my guy. If Saitama's no-effort attacks can one-shot his opponents, what's the point in testing their strength anyways. He's looking for a good fight, not to analyze how strong people specifically are lmao. If he uses the same level of punch even currently in the manga, that would mean he's testing if his opponent is at least, like, practically a million times weaker than himself. There is no sense or logic behind that argument and also very little evidence to support it. And furthermore, that still doesn't suggest his punches against Orochi were of the same level at all.
This is all very cool, but"Saitama hasn't grown any stronger" etc.
Have you been reading the same manga as us? It is literally, objectively confirmed in the Garou fight that Saitama has limited power but limitless potential, and is ALWAYS growing, now just when he is excited and you...god I can't believe I'm seeing that argument here. Saitama WAS NOT growing because he got "excited", Saitama was growing because Garou killed Genos. Saitama literally says that even though he's found a good fight, he doesn't care and doesn't feel excited, and just wants to beat the shit out of Garou, furthermore, the narrator, literally, refers to it as an emotional upsurge, and I quote, "like none he had ever felt before". Which automatically destroys that argument, and I can not understand how so many people misinterpret that. Also, in this same explanation from the narrator, he explains says that the emotional upsurge caused Saitama's growth to exponentially increase, while also saying that Saitama had always continued to grow, which means that yes, Saitama is always growing, just not nearly on the same level as against Garou, you can't exponentially increase from 0, so that means he has to have been growing for his growth rate to undergo an exponential boost, that much is very obvious and just basic common sense. People put this TOGETHER with the audiobook where Saitama one-shots himself from the previous day as well because it's very logical to combine the two points, few people ever considered the audiobook scene to be confirmed or even extremely likely until now where we have confirmation that Saitama has accelerated development. Genus explains that the Limiter is the restriction to growth, and removing it removes said limitation. We also see that Saitama when he was still during the middle of his training but after breaking his Limiter struggled to perform a sub-light speed feat whereas bald Saitama considers attacks of that level to be a bad joke. Saitama outright says in the audiobook that, of course, he would beat himself from the previous day...
He "literally" did thoSaitama has never actually said that he literally can't get stronger
to be fair I'm also unsure if such a databook statement about the test punch really existsThe databook doesn't hold any relevance, you're taking a random vague phrase used probably one time I'm guessing from a databook filled with statements so laughably, horrendously off the mark, that it completely ruins most credibility the databook has. Unless you think that Marugori is city block level and Atomic Samurai can cut atoms.
His "ability" is training every day doing his goofy little sit ups and getting what we call in mathematician termshe just doesnt know about his ability, ziller
His "ability" is training every day doing his goofy little sit ups and getting what we call in mathematician terms
"pretty much like 0" growth
Yo vivo cerca de la frontera y es infumable el calor de mrd**** it’s so damn hot here in Brazil im being burned alive
equalizing AP within a tier is raw.I feel a strong compulsion to attempt a CRT about "AP equalization within a certain boundary" but I know it'll never go through.
I mean everyone knows how it is when a seemingly good match-up gets made just for someone to come and "explain" why character A one-shots or otherwise stomps character B because some fan calc determined the exact strength of each character. If a match-up is decided between two characters with comparable feats in the same tier just because a fan calc puts one character at some specific mathematically deduced level above another character (like a 7x times difference or whatever just cause "Hm the radius of this explosion is this big!"), it's hyper-cringe and the definition of the meme.
Nah it depends on specifics, especially when you enter the interstellar tiers. Equalizing two multi-solar system levels just cause "wowzers same tier!" is silly and no one should need to explain why.equalizing AP within a tier is raw.
a high 6-A with 200 petatons being able to fight a high 6-A at 3 exatons seems perfectly fine to me