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[Ourosboros]

I disagree with Ziller here (though I haven't the time, effort or really even care to respond anymore), but even I have to say that one is hardly reliable.

Hardly reliable in what sense?

I'd say that any given class/threat level tends to overwhemingly fall in the same spectrum of power, but it's a pretty big range especially for the higher classes, even among monsters/heroes who depend on brute strength alone. For example, 10 death Gatlings would have an easier time with Scaleodon than say, 10 fortes

 

[Cryo123]

I disagree with Ziller here (though I haven't the time, effort or really even care to respond anymore), but even I have to admit that one is hardly reliable.

It shows that combat power is a very large, if not the largest factor in a monsters rank.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Hardly reliable in what sense?

I'd say that any given class/threat level tends to overwhemingly fall in the same spectrum of power, but it's a pretty big range especially for the higher classes, even among monsters/heroes who depend on brute strength alone. For example, 10 death Gatlings would have an easier time with Scaleodon than say, 10 fortes

100 sneks wouldn’t be able to do shit to pureblood
100 zombiemans wouldn’t do shit to beefcake
Saitama exists
popularity is literally a factor in hero rank, that alone makes it wildly invalid, but also then you combine factors like speed, intelligence, and how actively they do hero work
so yeah, not very reliable

 

[ZillertheBucko]

well actually 100 zombiemen might do something when he’s high 7-C but uhhhh ignore that part

 

[ByAsura]

It shows that combat power is a very large, if not the largest factor in a monsters rank.

I'd argue it's more like combat ability, not combat power.

Hardly reliable in what sense?

I'd say that any given class/threat level tends to overwhemingly fall in the same spectrum of power, but it's a pretty big range especially for the higher classes, even among monsters/heroes who depend on brute strength alone. For example, 10 death Gatlings would have an easier time with Scaleodon than say, 10 fortes

Hardly reliable in the sense that Demon/Tiger levels have dominated S/A-Class characters, and that characters have defeated monsters outside this threat spectrum.

The Hero rankings in and of themselves (literally 1/2 of the threat spectrum) are also insanely inconsistent, with characters like Mizuki and Jet Nice Guy proving more powerful than A-Class heroes.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

And now Beefcake will stomp Watchdog Man

Not true tbh
watchdog man still upscales from low 7-B, and speed blitzes beefcake into a statue
and when he stomps the ninja leader and becomes 5-C and ftl it becomes an ez win fr

 

[Cryo123]

The Hero rankings in and of themselves are also insanely inconsistent, with characters like Mizuki and Jet Nice Guy proving more powerful than A-Class heroes.

Well an S class hero is supposed to be = to a demon anyways.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Scaling Garou to Child Emperor's imagination because Genos said he had the same energy signature as King? Broke.

Scaling Metal Knight above CE's Hellfire Wavemotion Cannon because Child Emperor believes MK has power beyond that of any lone hero? Woke.

Metal knight with prep should have access to the dark matter thieves ship tech
I believe in high 6-A metal knight tbh

 

[ByAsura]

Well an S class hero is supposed to be = to a demon anyways.

S-Class is definitely and explicitly a different case, since they're explicitly for characters capable of defeating demons. On that we agree.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Well an S class hero is supposed to be = to a demon anyways.

It just occurred to me that elder centipede is weaker than beefcake
anyways, genos was getting bodied by demon levels left and right, so yeah it’s incredibly not reliable for scaling

 

[Ourosboros]

It just occurred to me that elder centipede is weaker than beefcake
anyways, genos was getting bodied by demon levels left and right, so yeah it’s incredibly not reliable for scaling

I'll tell you what, there are certain demons who can beat certain s-class level heroes but there's no s-class hero that's going to lose to a tiger level. Just because they can reliably beat demons (e.g. beat the statistical average) doesn't mean they can beat every single demon.

For example, PPP probably took down his fair share of demons before taking on DSK- even he could probably beat over 50% of demons when we consider how many cases are plausibly weaker than that ( base Baquma, Game Beerus, Scaleodon, the giant Crow, Demonic Fan, etc). There must be a reason that the weakest S-class hero's defeat at the hands of a demon was surprising

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I'll tell you what, there are certain demons who can beat certain s-class level heroes but there's no s-class hero that's going to lose to a tiger level.

Sprout

 

[Ourosboros]

Sprout

The guy Smile-man dodged off guard?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The guy Smile-man dodged off guard?

Estimated threat level dragon and only got ranked tiger
it just proves how unreliable every ranking system is

 

[Cryo123]

It just occurred to me that elder centipede is weaker than beefcake
anyways, genos was getting bodied by demon levels left and right, so yeah it’s incredibly not reliable for scaling

One of the issues with the rankings is that it "doesn't take into account matchup compatibility".

Estimated threat level dragon and only got ranked tiger
it just proves how unreliable every ranking system is

That was because he wasn't using his powers. He was deliberately holding back.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

One of the issues with the rankings is that it "doesn't take into account matchup compatibility".

Genos actually had the advantage over deep sea king given he uses fire, but he got beaten up regardless

That was because he wasn't using his powers. He was deliberately holding back.

Even after his powers were revealed, he was given an inaccurate threat level

 

[Cryo123]

Genos actually had the advantage over deep sea king given he uses fire, but he got beaten up regardless

He was winning, even with 1 arm. He lost because he jumped in front of his acid attacks, which 1 shot him. (Which is what would happen, metals break down very quickly from acid.)

Even after his powers were revealed, he was given an inaccurate threat level

The narrator labels him Dragon. Also, would you believe an A class hero labelling some random monster they lost to as a dragon with no evidence in spite of the fact that some random hero annihilated it? Human error will almost always exist, all we need to prove is that a large majority of the time, HA threat level rankings are accurate.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

He was winning, even with 1 arm. He lost because he jumped in front of his acid attacks, which 1 shot him. (Which is what would happen, metals break down very quickly from acid.)

The narrator labels him Dragon. Also, would you believe an A class hero labelling some random monster they lost to as a dragon with no evidence in spite of the fact that some random hero annihilated it? Human error will almost always exist, all we need to prove is that a large majority of the time, HA threat level rankings are accurate.

The narrator labels him dragon
then in the same sentence, you proceed to say an A class hero did it with no evidence

 

[ZillertheBucko]

High 1-A watchdog man FRA

 

[Ourosboros]

Rereading the chapter, it looks pretty straightforward that the "estimated/suggested" threat level is Smile Man's estimation, based on his previous experiences seeing S-class heroes fight demon level monsters... if that's all there is to suggest Withered Sprout might be dragon I'd definitely pin him as a demon, maybe a low demon? Mid-demon, depending on his durability which could maybe be a little higher than expected.

Took him four tries to finally catch Smile Man who is a pretty middling a-class. I can't see Gums or Bakuzan or any other low dragons taking that long, or any high demons to be honest.

 

[Cryo123]

The narrator labels him dragon
then in the same sentence, you proceed to say an A class hero did it with no evidence

Two people can have the same opinion but with different levels of reliability.

The omiscient narrator notes they're dragon. Independently of that, the three A class heroes come to the same conclusion. They have the same idea, and they're both right, but the Smile Brothers don't have any actual reasoning behind it, beyond the fact that they lost, and therefore would not be believed by a rational being.

 

[Cryo123]

Took him four tries to finally catch Smile Man who is a pretty middling a-class. I can't see Gums or Bakuzan or any other low dragons taking that long, or any high demons to be honest.

I mean the first shot wasn't aimed at him but his brother, and even then, it's a ranged attack, giving plenty of room to dodge.

 

[Ourosboros]

I mean the first shot wasn't aimed at him but his brother, and even then, it's a ranged attack, giving plenty of room to dodge.

If G5 had shot a ranged attack like an airblade or a ranged attack at Smile Man, he would have gotten destroyed, as would Sky King's beams and DSK's eel tongue, or Sonic's shurikens, etc. Many other demons would have been able to make the shot, most of whom are slower than the slowest dragon levels

 

[Cryo123]

If G5 had shot a ranged attack like an airblade or a ranged attack at Smile Man, he would have gotten destroyed, as would Sky King's beams and DSK's eel tongue, or Sonic's shurikens, etc. Many other demons would have been able to make the shot, most of whom are slower than the slowest dragon levels

That's kind of speculation though.

 

[Maitreya12]

Ok I’m planning on actually doing an OPM CRT, but I’d like opinions on it before doing so.

It involves Zombieman’s regeneration and upgrading it from High-Mid to Mid-High.

The reason is due to him being hit with HE’s Massive light ball which is stated to vaporize you if you get hit. And this is in line with Zombieman taking a while to regenerate after being hit.

 

[Dragonite007]

Ok I’m planning on actually doing an OPM CRT, but I’d like opinions on it before doing so.

It involves Zombieman’s regeneration and upgrading it from High-Mid to Mid-High.

The reason is due to him being hit with HE’s Massive light ball which is stated to vaporize you if you get hit. And this is in line with Zombieman taking a while to regenerate after being hit.

has already been tried

 

[Recon1511]

Genji (Lightning Genji)

Genji, also known by his hero alias, Lightning Genji, is the Rank 17 A Class Hero from the Hero Association, he is in charge of supervising and protecting D City. Tier: 8-A Name: Genji, Lightning Genji Origin: One Punch Man Gender: Male Age: 24 Classification: Human, A Class Hero Powers and...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So this guy finally has a profile, neat.

 

[LordTracer]

Where’s the references

 

[Recon1511]

Where’s the references

i forgor

 

[Recon1511]

I might make Genji vs DSK one day

Anyway, Zombieman is now High 7-C so there probably are some interesting matches out there to make now.

 

[Kin201]

I might make Genji vs DSK one day

DSK stomps. Why is this a match?

 

[Recon1511]

DSK stomps. Why is this a match?

I mean Genji is actually faster and DSK has no electricity resistance lol

 

[UltimateDarkGod666]

Saitama x Tatsumaki ship in nutshell

 

[Recon1511]

Spring Moustachio x Golden Ball is a better ship

 

[RinneItachi]

I mean Genji is actually faster and DSK has no electricity resistance lol, based on the wiki I mean. Obviously in reality DSK curbstomps in dry form no difficulty.

Fixed.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The only valid ship is watchdog man x city Q

 

[Ourosboros]

Maiko Plasma and Electric Catfish man?

 

[Tural2004]

Anyway, Zombieman is now High 7-C

To be perfectly honest, High 7-C Genji makes zero sense.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

zombieman high 7-C with mid-high regen
seems based to me

 

[LordTracer]

To be perfectly honest, High 7-C Genji makes zero sense.

Do you want to explain why, or…?