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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Tamasensei123 said:
since the debate is almost over can we make a CRT about their achievements in io month now?
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If there's nothing in the next chapter, the CRT will definitely come out on the 18th.

Edit: Forgot it takes time for translations. So it's more like 19th, for me in Adelaide and the Japanese at least.
 
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Phoenks said:
Okay, what is the general consensus now. From what I'm seeing on this thread, most of you agree with the 0.0001 second timeframe, no?
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Except the "important people", yes. Quotations because I don't mean it literally. I'm debating the CGMs in the calc comments itself, but honestly the topic should be moved here to avoid needless back and forths there.
 
KLOL506 said:
You don't need to. Perception timeframes are much swifter than reaction speeds and even movement speeds. That 0.1 millisecond timeframe he's got going on is literally part of his movement speed in actuality, so his reactions would scale to it bare minimum, his perception would scale much higher like it does with IRL humans.
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I was only using that wording cause that’s the wording Charmander used. My argument stands regardless. Everything happening could be in his reaction time and he still wouldn’t be able to produce a useful counterattack; also, screaming is still a reaction.


KLOL506 said:
"Still think it's wrong tho".

Based on? Don't just say why you think you're wrong.
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I had already said why in other comments so I didn’t feel the need to explain there.

ByAsura said:
Clearly, you're not getting what I'm saying, so I'm honestly not going to bother with you here. It's not worth the effort.
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You very blatantly didn’t get what I was saying and I was being a lot more lucid so that’s a hypocritical thing to say.
ByAsura said:
I get what you're saying, it just doesn't ******* matter. Garou couldn't really react at all, at any point, couldn't focus, and only broke out after. It's definitely the entire damn fight and not just the individual intervals. Which is why I saying that it didn't even matter if Garou fully knew what was going on in.

It doesn't matter that he's only moving across parts of Io, because Garou was ******* demolished the entire time, whereas he previously had an entire fight waving through debris thousands of times in a weaker form.
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What do you think he could have done if Saitama only moved say… 50 metres in half of Garou’s reaction time? He couldn’t produce a counter attack, especially since the entire point of the serious table flip was so that Saitama could launch attacks from all directions. He could flail a bit sure…he might be getting flung with too much force for him to move his own body though. He could scream I guess… oh wait he did that.
GodlyCharmander said:
Take ya own damn advise why don't ya?
Even people disagreeing with the (now) low end are against you, buddy.
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Yes I said a naughty word and found some bad faith arguing funny. Sorry bruv, I clearly chimped out too quick.
 
Tago238 said:
You very blatantly didn’t get what I was saying and I was being a lot more lucid so that’s a hypocritical thing to say.
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No, you're genuinely not getting what I'm saying.

So here's the extremely simple version: we were calculating the course Garou took while getting ping ponged. Saitama was blitzing him all the way and darting between the rocks, so this calc is actually a massive low-ball because we were calculating a feat that Saitama performed.

In hindsight, I did an astronomically dogshit explanation and shouldn't have got heated.
Tago238 said:
What do you think he could have done if Saitama only moved say… 50 metres in half of Garou’s reaction time. What could he do? He couldn’t produce a counter attack, especially since the entire point of the serious table flip was so that Saitama could launch attacks from all directions. He could flail a bit sure… might be moving too fast for him to move his own body though.
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It doesn't matter what he could have done, because that's not what happened. You're treating this as if it's only 1 attack, but it's hundreds. That stacks up, especially since we're comparing an entire fight scene where Garou didn't just flail a bit to this.
Tago238 said:
He could scream… he did scream.
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Cool, literally doesn't matter at all if you actually listened to my argument.
 
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Tago238 said:
I was only using that wording cause that’s the wording Charmander used. My argument stands regardless. Everything happening could be in his reaction time and he still wouldn’t be able to produce a useful counterattack; also, screaming is still a reaction.
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Reactions are no longer timeframes. They require a distance component now. So no.
 
Yes it’s a massive lowball if you use your interpretation of events, I’m not using it.

Sure, Garou’s reaction time has decreased since the PS fight. Does this matter when it comes to debating this particular interpretation of events? No.

Is that actually not Garou’s reaction time and instead the time it takes for him to do a bunch of shit? Sure it is, doesn’t ******* matter when discussing this interpretation of events either. Garou could have done as many actions as he took when fighting PS and more while being ping ponged but if it wouldn’t have produced a noteworthy counterattack then nothing would have changed about the scene.


Screaming is a physical reaction, it happened almost immediately as the ping pong started occurring. If he could produce some reaction that early on he could have screamed thousands of times across Io. He could have moved his mouth a greater distance than the distance he fought platinum sperm over. Not that he did, but he could.
 
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KLOL506 said:
Reactions are no longer timeframes. They require a distance component now. So no.
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I could have swapped “reaction time” with another description like “time taken to do so and so”. Wouldn’t have mattered.
 
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Tago238 said:
Yes it’s a massive lowball if you use your interpretation of events, I’m not using it.
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It's literally a massive low-ball in any interpretation of events.
Tago238 said:
Does this matter when it comes to debating this particular interpretation of events? No.
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Yes, it absolutely does. Garou was completely outmatched and helpless, whereas it was the exact opposite in just 1.3 miliseconds.
Tago238 said:
Is that actually not Garou’s reaction time and just the time it takes for him to do a bunch of shit? Sure it is, doesn’t ******* matter when discussing this interpretation of events either. Garou could have done as many actions as he took when fighting PS and more while being ping ponged but if it wouldn’t have produced a noteworthy counterattack then nothing would have changed about the scene.
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Oh my god, you're the living embodiment of a stonewall.

It sure as hell does matter, because it's not just about 1 moment of reaction time in a vacuum.

Garou couldn't do that, you're just making shit up. He was flailing the **** around, couldn't remotely focus and broke out by just moving his arms randomly while Saitama was still moving. This shows that he could have produced a remotely worthwhile counter during any of that time if it was significant.
Tago238 said:
Screaming is a physical reaction, it happened almost immediately as the ping pong started occurring. If he could produce some reaction that early on he could have screamed thousands of times across Io. He could have moved his mouth a greater distance than the distance he fought platinum sperm over.
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He only screamed once after taking the first hit, but it's still completely irrelevant. You can scream without knowing what's really going on.
 
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Thank God for Saori Hayami imagine if Fubuki had a loli voice actor like Makima lmfao
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UltimateDarkGod666 said:
Thank God for Saori Hayami imagine if Fubuki had a loli voice actor like Makima lmfao
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“Your necessary evil... is just an excuse to justify your own crimes. Those excuses are unnecessary to society. The truly necessary evils are always kept collared and controlled by the state😃🥺💖”
 
Kachon123 said:
Understand what you're talking about before you speak.

The mid-end of my calc is not calc stacking. Read this page. I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people who don't understand what calc stacking is. This is ridiculous.
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Calc stacking is to use other people calc

Using timeframe from the official sources aka manga itself it not a calc stacking
 
KLOL506 said:
@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 What do you think of this? Should this make the timeframe usable for the Io feat since a more-powerful Garou would be undeniably be above his former weaker self that had such a reaction timeframe?
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Don't think all the many impact of the feats are necessarily below Garou's reactions. Each single one individually maybe, but not necessarily all of them together.
 
ByAsura said:
It doesn't even matter if he fully knew what was going on. Fact is, Garou and PS had a long ass fight from their perspective where they made god knows how many attacks, dodges, leaps and counters. Saitama just smashed Garou to the point where he couldn't really react to any blow and only broke out after it occurred.

Garou here had already powered up to the point where he could blitz Platinum Sperm (who performed the feat), increased his powers against Saitama, transformed twice (explicitly increasing his abilities a lot) while simultaneously increasing his powers with evolution, received a massive amp from God, boosted his abilities further by copying Saitama, and continued to evolve even more.

Even if he was just a bit surprised by the speed of what was happening, that's probably more than enough for the Garou that fought on par with PS, let alone Garou here.
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Come to think of it, this is another example of Saitama's instant mastery. He learned this after seeing Garou, Flash, and Platinum making the constellations in the sky.
 
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Has anyone ever bothered to calc the size and AP of the 170.000 year old Cicada with these?
 
Tipper17 said:
just follow the webcomic and add the feats not whatever the **** we got these past chapters
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Tipper17 said:
Bruh wut
How did u take that outta of my post
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I'm not sure what you mean by not adding "whatever the f--- we got these past chapters", and just following the webcomic as an alternative. Are you suggesting we should make a composite page where we give Cosmic fear Garou's feats to webcomic Awakened Garou or...?
 
I might’ve found a possible loophole (or perhaps a way to sidestep) to the calc stacking issue
Perhaps if there’s a statement (not calc, statement) of speed that Garou scales above then we could use the reaction time for said tier
like if someone slower than Garou said “I can even fight at Mach (x) !” Then we’d possibly get a slightly better time frame than .0001
Does anybody have anything like this?
 
ZillertheBucko said:
I might’ve found a possible loophole (or perhaps a way to sidestep) to the calc stacking issue
Perhaps if there’s a statement (not calc, statement) of speed that Garou scales above then we could use the reaction time for said tier
like if someone slower than Garou said “I can even fight at Mach (x) !” Then we’d possibly get a slightly better time frame than .0001
Does anybody have anything like this?
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No ,Just Statements like "I'll have to copy him infinitely"
 
Ourosboros said:
I'm not sure what you mean by not adding "whatever the f--- we got these past chapters", and just following the webcomic as an alternative. Are you suggesting we should make a composite page where we give Cosmic fear Garou's feats to webcomic Awakened Garou or...?
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M8 my point is how we could've gotten the best of both worlds of following the webcomic n getting feats instead of what we got
 
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