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A bunch of Class M calcs have been made, one performed by the wrestlers of Saturday Night Slam Masters, which is a prequel to Final Fight and thus canon to Street Fighter (I'll make files for these peopl), and two performed by yours truly Zangief. This would theoretically upgrade the current maximum level LS of a bunch of characters, namely the 9-As who scale to Zangief (basically only Honda. Hakan and top tiers like Ryu, Ken...) and everyone who's 8-B or higher.
First I want to discuss the reason why SF characters should scale to the Slam Masters wrestlers.
Aside from from those who do because of tiering (remember the UES based on Ki), the Slam Masters wrestlers are main eventers for the Capcom Wrestling Association (CWA), the same organization that occasionally hosts Zangief, who's a world-famous champion, as seen in Street Fighter V, where he is also depicted as comparable to Haggar.
I also want to propose an upgrade for Laura, giving her at least a "possibly/likely" LS rating scaling to Zangief. She is regarded as one of Zangief's grappling buddies and bursting with muscle spirit. They are also seen somewhat wresting each other. Zangief also compares her muscles to his own. Laura sparring with Mika (who doesn't scale to Zangief and also struggles with a bear) isn't a problem, as said, it's a sparring match during Mika's training journey.
The elephant in the room: SF3 Ryu struggling to lift the Class 50 boulder. While technically an inconsistency, I don't think it necessarily prevents scaling, and here's why. The first thing to note is that this Ryu is technically meant to be a post-SF2 Ryu simply because SFIV and V didn't exist when 3 came out, but even then this Ryu should already be comparable to Zangief anyway (Ki boosts LS too). Still, a better argument than this convoluted explanation is the fact that Ryu is performing a sort of endurance training in that scene. Going by the visuals and the dialogues, Ryu's been there for quite awhile, meaning that at first he might have likely lifted that thing with ease, and then started to wear down overtime. There's still quite a difference between Class 50 and M, but it shouldn't be that obvious.
This new calc should also work as an Attack Potency value. All the Slam Masters wrestlers can withstand each other's super move, as the crater is created only when their life bar is depleted (which isn't a matter of difference in strength, it just can't be a oneshot attack).
Scaling Zangief to them means that he'd get their AP too, and that feat surpasses the current Buddha head feat. There's no inconsistency here, Adon did that feat casually to begin with, and half the SF cast scales to Zangief in AP in some way or another.
Putting some order with the Final Fight scaling
The Final Fight protagonists have been upgraded to 8-B in the previous CRT, but I realized it didn't really feel right to that extent. What I want to propose is a split in scaling, with the 8-B rating being reserved only to Guy and Cody.
First, it makes little sense for 3 8-Bs to not just mow through, ane even struggle against, an army of 9-As in FF, who simultaneously don't scale equally to them because of later demonstrations. Second, the FF protagonists all together include some randos like Carlos and Dean, who'd be mysteriosly as powerful as Bison.
But the real argument is that time passes, and there are also solid reasons to believe that Guy and Cody have grown past their previous level by the time of SF4. First, here's a quick chronology of events:
The last point is the most important, because it shows Guy's progression. By the time of the Alpha and FF series, Guy has yet to succeed Zeku, and is on a journey to earn the position of grandmaster. References to this can be found in: Final Fight 2 (intro), Alpha 2 (Guide, ending), Alpha 3 (guide [1, 2], Guy's intro, Maki's intro, rival battle).
Guy becomes Zeku's successor only before SFV (as strongly implied by Zeku's story), meaning that he completed his training around the time SF4 takes place, which is also where he threatens M. Bison.
For this reason all Final Fight characters should be 9-A, with Guy and Cody (who scales to Guy in SF4 and kept training in and out of prison) having a pre SF4 9-A key and a SF4 onwards 8-B key.
Assorted stuff
The aforementioned blog contains new and accepted calcs for Akuma sinking the Gotentou island and splitting the Ayers Rock, which would replace the old ones.
Gill receives 6-C environmental destruction for parting the sea. As said in an age-old CRT, there isn't a way to connect Gill doing this to his actual power, because ki is indeed a thing, but not all superpowers in the series are confirmed to stem from it, and some like Blanka's are entirely different. Thus, without any further indication (and given Gill's godlike status and the feat being a Moses reference) it shouldn't scale to his physicals, and remain water manipulation as it currently does.
Evil Ryu's P&A should be split into two tabbers, for his Alpha and SF4 self, pretty much like Ryu. He also receives Underground Mobility because in Street Fighter IV he bursts out of the ground at the beginning of his boss battle.
Oni receives Teleportation because he appears from a lightning storm at the beginning of his boss battle.
A bunch of Class M calcs have been made, one performed by the wrestlers of Saturday Night Slam Masters, which is a prequel to Final Fight and thus canon to Street Fighter (I'll make files for these peopl), and two performed by yours truly Zangief. This would theoretically upgrade the current maximum level LS of a bunch of characters, namely the 9-As who scale to Zangief (basically only Honda. Hakan and top tiers like Ryu, Ken...) and everyone who's 8-B or higher.
First I want to discuss the reason why SF characters should scale to the Slam Masters wrestlers.
Aside from from those who do because of tiering (remember the UES based on Ki), the Slam Masters wrestlers are main eventers for the Capcom Wrestling Association (CWA), the same organization that occasionally hosts Zangief, who's a world-famous champion, as seen in Street Fighter V, where he is also depicted as comparable to Haggar.
I also want to propose an upgrade for Laura, giving her at least a "possibly/likely" LS rating scaling to Zangief. She is regarded as one of Zangief's grappling buddies and bursting with muscle spirit. They are also seen somewhat wresting each other. Zangief also compares her muscles to his own. Laura sparring with Mika (who doesn't scale to Zangief and also struggles with a bear) isn't a problem, as said, it's a sparring match during Mika's training journey.
The elephant in the room: SF3 Ryu struggling to lift the Class 50 boulder. While technically an inconsistency, I don't think it necessarily prevents scaling, and here's why. The first thing to note is that this Ryu is technically meant to be a post-SF2 Ryu simply because SFIV and V didn't exist when 3 came out, but even then this Ryu should already be comparable to Zangief anyway (Ki boosts LS too). Still, a better argument than this convoluted explanation is the fact that Ryu is performing a sort of endurance training in that scene. Going by the visuals and the dialogues, Ryu's been there for quite awhile, meaning that at first he might have likely lifted that thing with ease, and then started to wear down overtime. There's still quite a difference between Class 50 and M, but it shouldn't be that obvious.
This new calc should also work as an Attack Potency value. All the Slam Masters wrestlers can withstand each other's super move, as the crater is created only when their life bar is depleted (which isn't a matter of difference in strength, it just can't be a oneshot attack).
Scaling Zangief to them means that he'd get their AP too, and that feat surpasses the current Buddha head feat. There's no inconsistency here, Adon did that feat casually to begin with, and half the SF cast scales to Zangief in AP in some way or another.
Putting some order with the Final Fight scaling
The Final Fight protagonists have been upgraded to 8-B in the previous CRT, but I realized it didn't really feel right to that extent. What I want to propose is a split in scaling, with the 8-B rating being reserved only to Guy and Cody.
First, it makes little sense for 3 8-Bs to not just mow through, ane even struggle against, an army of 9-As in FF, who simultaneously don't scale equally to them because of later demonstrations. Second, the FF protagonists all together include some randos like Carlos and Dean, who'd be mysteriosly as powerful as Bison.
But the real argument is that time passes, and there are also solid reasons to believe that Guy and Cody have grown past their previous level by the time of SF4. First, here's a quick chronology of events:
- Slam Masters 1 and 2: Haggar is still a full-time wrestler
- Final Fight 1 and 2: Haggar retired from official competitions, became mayor of Metro City and vanquished the Mad Gear gang twice
- Street Fighter Alpha 3: As confirmed by Guy's profile in All About Street Fighter ZERO 3, FF1 took place one year before, and by the time of this game Mad Gear has disbanded completely (which happens in FF2)
- Final Fight 3: This takes place somewhere after Alpha 3, since there isn't any reference to the Skull Cross Gang, despite Guy returning to be playable, also because the games have been released in the same year, preventing connections for being made.
- Street Fighter IV: Time passes naturally between Alpha 3 and SFIV, and from this point onwards Guy has completed his training and become the 39th Bushido Grandmaster.
The last point is the most important, because it shows Guy's progression. By the time of the Alpha and FF series, Guy has yet to succeed Zeku, and is on a journey to earn the position of grandmaster. References to this can be found in: Final Fight 2 (intro), Alpha 2 (Guide, ending), Alpha 3 (guide [1, 2], Guy's intro, Maki's intro, rival battle).
Guy becomes Zeku's successor only before SFV (as strongly implied by Zeku's story), meaning that he completed his training around the time SF4 takes place, which is also where he threatens M. Bison.
For this reason all Final Fight characters should be 9-A, with Guy and Cody (who scales to Guy in SF4 and kept training in and out of prison) having a pre SF4 9-A key and a SF4 onwards 8-B key.
Assorted stuff
The aforementioned blog contains new and accepted calcs for Akuma sinking the Gotentou island and splitting the Ayers Rock, which would replace the old ones.
Gill receives 6-C environmental destruction for parting the sea. As said in an age-old CRT, there isn't a way to connect Gill doing this to his actual power, because ki is indeed a thing, but not all superpowers in the series are confirmed to stem from it, and some like Blanka's are entirely different. Thus, without any further indication (and given Gill's godlike status and the feat being a Moses reference) it shouldn't scale to his physicals, and remain water manipulation as it currently does.
Evil Ryu's P&A should be split into two tabbers, for his Alpha and SF4 self, pretty much like Ryu. He also receives Underground Mobility because in Street Fighter IV he bursts out of the ground at the beginning of his boss battle.
Oni receives Teleportation because he appears from a lightning storm at the beginning of his boss battle.
