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Perspective is bad but if we just assume human width of 41.1 cm and thickness of 27.94 cm and then 50% cuz there are spaces, and say it's 1 cm thick and it's aluminium to be safe

pi*(41.1/2)*(27.94/2)*1*0.5*35190.2 = 1.58690103892e7 Joules, Wall level+

Might just knock it to 9-A given even Chewbacca can get through and it's probably more than 50%
 
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Sub-/Capital Ship Turbolasers​

FanofRPGs has recalculated the XX9 heavy turbolaser feat, with multiple staff members accepting the 33-gigaton end. However, as he points out, the art of this comic is highly inconsistent at best. Fortunately, despite being armed with light turbolasers, Arquitens-class light cruisers have a Large Mountain level+ feat, which would make medium and heavy turbolasers Island level. This is consistent, as it took all the laser cannons (capable of vaporizing a mountain), proton torpedoes, ion cannons and bombs of a B-wing to penetrate the shields of and partially disable a Quasar Fire-class cruiser.
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This is also consistent with my comment on this blog
 
I'm still coming out with that ship downgrade, I've just been sick for a few days.

@100Tons It's more the comic's art style.
 
I've had to remove some stuff for the sake of time, like debunking Vader and Luke's X-wings falling from orbit in Vader Down.

Miscellaneous​

Venator Firepower​

In Jedi: Fallen Order, the power output of each of a Venator's 10 engines is stated to be capable of producing the equivalent 1 gigaton. The Venator-class can feed the vast majority of its reactor output into its heavy turbolasers, which there's 8 of (meaning 1.25 gigatons per turbolaser).
  • A Venator-class Star Destroyer’s eight DBY-827 heavy turbolaser turrets are the standard requirement in naval gunnery for intense inter-ship combat and planetary bombardment. The DBY-827’s precise, long-range tracking mode enables it to hit targets at distance, while the turret can rotate in three seconds in its close-fighting, fast-tracking mode. Seven different blast intensities provide a choice between crippling shots and outright vaporization of the enemy. The Venator-class, as a true warship, can feed almost its entire reactor output to its heavy guns when required.

Tri-Fighter Upgrade​

In the Darth Vader, an escape pod survived falling from orbit with an Eta-2 interceptor and a glancing blow from a standard TIE Fighter.

Tri-Fighters are capable of destroying an Imperial-class Star Destroyer's escape pods. To be clear, Tri-Fighters don't actually have blasters, they have laser cannons, but Lords of the Sith uses the terms interchangeably because they essentially are the same thing.
  • Red lines lit up space as the tri-fighters’ repeating blasters started firing at the surviving Imperial ships. Unable to dodge effectively, escape pods exploded in flames.
Said escape pods could survive falling from orbit. This is notable, as an Imperial Star Destroyer's escape pods should be even larger, durable and more advanced than the from the Darth Vader 2020 comic-line, likely in the 10 metre range.
  • “Escape pods are landing all over the western hemisphere of the planet and the near moon, sir, ” said another lieutenant. “We’re getting thousands of distress signals. Search and rescue is prioritizing rescue grids but, sir, this is overwhelming. They don’t have enough personnel. They’ll be at this for days.”

Mandalorian Rockets​

In The Lawless, a volley of Mandalorian rockets obliterate a Kom'rk-class Fighter. This isn't inconsistent with rockets destroying TIE Fighters and massive drop ships.

Arquitens​

This feat isn't that impressive. Even 5 tons of TNT can be seen on the moon from Earth, which lines up with the damages (that's a large house in the middle).
  • It was, Eli would afterward decide, the most insane military operation he’d ever seen or even heard of. But it worked. It was spectacular enough from the ground. It was probably even more so from low orbit. Gimm flew his TIE fighter low over the cropland, nearly brushing the tops of the stalks at times, then continued on over grazing lands, marshes, and more cropland. He flew in gentle curves or dizzying zigzags, wherever the trail led him, always following the line of pre-spice lurking beneath the soil. And following along fifty meters behind him was a blazing wave of ground shattering flame as the cleansing fire from the Thunder Wasp’s turbolasers carved out the same path, their focal point precisely matching the TIE’s maneuvers and burning the pre-spice into oblivion. By morning, as Thrawn had predicted, it was over.

Durability Downgrade​

Manufacturing Quality​

V-wings, Delta-7s and Eta-2 Interceptors are basically TIE Fighters (to the point where the TIE/in was inspired by their design), only even smaller and lighter, while the latter two even lack of sensory systems and functions developed for people that don't have the Force. Plus, they probably don't have a reinforced cockpit.
  • Racing home from the brutal Outer Rim Sieges to rescue the kidnapped Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker waste no time scrambling to their fighters. Leading the Republic’s aerial forces in their Jedi interceptors, they flit through the battle-zone with astonishing agility. Their spacecraft’s compact design is suited to the Force-assisted tactical abilities of Jedi pilots—heavy flight instruments, sensors, and shields are unnecessary. Over the last three years, the distinctive Interceptor profile has become a symbol of authority and hope for the Republic’s clone forces, and a frustrating apparition to the Separatists.
  • Hardly larger than the average airspeeder, the Eta-2 Actis-class interceptor enjoys superior speed and maneuverability compared to the already tiny Delta-7 Aethersprite-class. Compacting a fighter’s intense power into a tiny hull made overheating a challenge—which was met by an extensive system of heat sinks, pumps, and radiator wings.
  • Developed by Kuat Systems Engineering, the same company that produces Jedi starfighters, the Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wing utilizes cutting-edge technology for maneuverability, making it far more nimble than an ARC-170, and the best choice for clone pilots to engage in dogfights against speedy vulture droids and tri-fighters. Bracketing the wedge-shaped V-wing are a set of flat wings extending above and below the ship. The wings are on articulated collars that allow them to rotate 90 degrees for landing. Two pairs of laser cannons are mounted on the wing struts, providing the V-wing with rapid-fire capability.
Comparatively, he ARC-170 is heavily armoured.
  • Robust armor, shields, and tail guns improve the odds of survival when the ship is surrounded by dozens or even hundreds of light, evasive droid fighters.
The TIE Fighter and X-wing are heavily armoured, with the latter even being based of the ARC-170, while the B- and Y-wings are much larger and stronger.

Starfighters​

Firstly, AT-DPs are capable of withstanding Thermal Detonators relatively intact, but they're completely folded in the process. Even a near-point blank shot partially cripples one. Secondly, I'm not sure why a typical TIE fighter even should scale to an AT-DP. We have no idea what the Walker is made of, and it's both heavier and bulkier than even the 10 tonne X-wing.

Secondly, the TIE Fighter and unshielded starfighters are portrayed as very fragile in Star Wars. This isn't inherent proof that they can't withstand a Thermal Detonator, but it does provide anti-feats for me to use. This is a small number of anti-feats I've managed to gather over a few hours.
An A-wing is moderately damaged by the explosion of a smart mine, which could devastate a city block, from a dozen metres away. Doing a rough calculation gets Small Building level results.
  • Quell watched it play out on the scanner. She accelerated toward Lark, but she knew she’d never reach him in time. He lost speed as he maneuvered toward Chadic, the mines moving from his stern to his port side. By the time he entered the B-wing’s firing range, the closest mine couldn’t have been more than a dozen meters away. The flash that followed seemed insignificant against the starfield. The atomizing destructive force could have devastated a city block. “Lark! Chadic! Report, now!” Chass na Chadic’s voice was the first one through. “Scratch two. Wyl’s in one piece, but only because half of him got vaporized.”
  • The speaker stood beside Quell as they watched Lark’s fighter rise off the hangar deck in the grip of a loadlifter. One of the ship’s thruster nacelles was blackened and half shattered. Quell assessed the ship first, then the white-haired woman in a scorched and stained jumpsuit.
Thermal Detonators are capable of obliterating Lambda-class T-4a shuttles.
  • Kiza thinks, If I go ahead with it, if I go on this attack, I’ll just stay in the background. I’ll make it look like I’m doing something. Like I’m participating. Maybe I’ll hit somebody. Or throw a detonator and blow up a shuttle.
The closest feat I've found to a TIE Fighter withstanding a Thermal Detonator was when Luke threw a bunch at some imperials about 10 metres in front of a TIE Fighter. Even then, one of the solar panels appears to be massively deformed. Also, a thermal detonator from the inside absolutely shreds a TIE's outer armour in Heroes of Mandalore, Part 2. Unlike most other craft, a TIE Fighter shouldn't be that much less durable from the inside, as there's no reactor or life support to explode.

However, TIE Fighters and starfighters are extremely durable. For example, a typical TIE's cockpit is reinforced to withstand shots from a Stormtrooper's blaster. Moff Gideon's TIE was also unaffected by the Mandalorian's blaster and falling hard enough embed itself into rock, leaving him completely unharmed by the crash.

Missiles/Torpedoes​

What Can Damage Capital Ship Armour​

Capital Ships have different layers of armour at different points. For example, the communication tower atop a Star Destroyer (including its shield projectors) are implied to be some of the weaker sections due to the lack of armour and transparisteel windows. Here's some examples of this.

Torpedoes Damaging Capital Ships​

To preface this, Light Cruisers are not Capital Ships, from what I know. Star Destroyers, Battleships/Warships and Heavy Cruisers are considered a line of Capital Ship, while even the Munificent is technically a sub-capital ship. The Arquitens, for example, typically acts as a high-speed a support for Capital Ships.
  • A committee was formed to study all the known ship classes used by various major naval forces throughout the Republic and to use that data to create a flexible, easy-to-use classification system for sub-capital and capital class warships. After much debate, the military historians, academy instructors, and veteran naval commanders who made up this reclassification committee settled on seven general classes of warship. These were, in order of size from smallest to largest: corvettes, frigates, cruisers, heavy cruisers, Star Destroyers, battlecruisers, and dreadnoughts.
Firstly, the B-wing is stated to be potentially, likely outright, the most powerful Starfighter in the Alliance fleet on many occasions and capable of destroying capital ships with armament compa.
  • Designed by Alliance commander Gial Ackbar and produced by the Verpine shipbuilding consortium Slayn & Korpil, the B-wing is the largest, most heavily armed fighter in the Alliance arsenal.
  • B-wings, like their older Y-wing cousins, are dedicated attack fighters. They are specifically designed to destroy capital ships and orbital installations using ion weaponry and heavy ordnance such as proton torpedoes and proton bombs. They are heavily armored and shielded, and equipped with a quartet of heavy S&K sublight engines usually mounted on heavy gunboats and light capital ships.
  • They are nimble enough for dogfighting but powerful enough to slug it out with enemy capital ships.
However, the B-wing also did very little against the armour of Devastator (basically an Imperial-I with Imperial-II specs) and had to attack weak points.
  • Her nav-systems lined up the angles, finding the pathway through the Devastator‘s electronic defense grid. She rapidly typed in the new attack vector and hit the transmit while simultaneously lining up the crosshairs projected onto her helmet’s heads-up display. [...] Moonsong fully expected the next shots to end her short career as a rebel pilot, but instead both interceptors blew up as Blade Two swept in behind them and zeroed them out with clean precise shots that only an expert could have pulled off. The torpedoes they’d just unleashed shot past Moonsong, missing her and striking the Star Destroyer, impacting harmlessly against its armor. [...] They both pulled back on their throttles, rotating their wings through a one-eighty and bringing their ion cannons to bear, unleashing their proton torpedoes and scoring direct hits on the weak points in the Devastator‘s navigational shielding. The ship’s hyperdrive detonated, causing a chain reaction of explosions which blew back into the Star Destroyer’s primary generators.
The X-wing and A-wing are also stated to be massive threats against Capital Ships.
  • In practice, the A-wing is deployed to engage Imperial fast movers with its laser cannons and to harry smaller capital ships with concussion missiles while heavier fighters such as X-wings and B-wings deal with the larger Imperial fightercraft.
  • However, most self-propelled weapons can hit targets within short range, so these smaller vessels often carry concussion missiles and proton torpedoes to extend their reach. Short range is still uncomfortably close for capital ships, though not quite as brutally point-blank as close range.
  • PROTON TORPEDOES Proton torpedoes are highly advanced antiship projectiles typically carried by starfighters and patrol boats. They are larger and bulkier than concussion missiles and have a squat, conical warhead, meaning their launchers carry fewer rounds than an equivalent concussion missile launcher. These weapons mount a deadly, irradiating, proton-scattering warhead detonated by a volatile Nergon-14 explosive charge. Proton torpedoes are designed to damage and destroy large vessels like bulk transports and capital ships. They allow small ships like starfighters and patrol boats to punch well above their weight.
  • CONCUSSION MISSILE A projectile that travels at sublight speed and causes destructive shockwaves on impact with its target. Concussion missiles are capable of penetrating the armor of a capital ship.
But, the same and other guides states that they, as well as TIE Bombers, are effective against small capital ships and dealing surgical strikes on capital ships. Even in novels and comics, the Concussion Missiles of an RZ-1 A-wing are only capable of dealing severe damage to anything weaker than a capital ship, while payload of an X-wing and A-wing fleet does little except destroy a Star Destroyer's tractor beams.
  • With its four powerful Incom 4L4 engines and advanced avionics, the X-wing is more than a match for the Imperial TIE fighters, and its loadout of four linked T&B laser cannons and proton torpedo launchers makes it a serious threat to gunboats and small capital ships, especially when X-wings are deployed in large groups.
  • The A-wing is ideally suited to hit-and-run missions, surgical strikes on capital ships, longrange patrols, and reconnaissance missions. Its twin stabilizers and control surfaces also enable it to operate effectively as an atmospheric fighter.
  • Like its rebel predecessor, the Resistance A-wing is ideal for missions that require speed: hit-and-run raids, surgical strikes on capital ships, and intelligence-gathering missions.
  • Derived from the TIE boarding craft of the TIE starfighter family, the TIE bomber is designed to take over the task of orbital bombardment from the Empire’s capital ships. With its massive ordnance capacity, this formidable assault ship can be deployed against ground- and space-based targets, delivering its lethal load with pinpoint accuracy. The craft’s precision targeting is an important capability—where capital ship bombardment often results in extensive collateral damage, the TIE bomber’s ability to make “surgical strikes” enables specific targets to be taken out while leaving surrounding facilities intact.
Secondly, in Star Wars (2020) #1 Lando claims ST2 missiles are powerful, but can't take out a Star Destroyer. Chewie states his plan was to take out the surface turbolasers of a nearby Arquitens-class Command Cruiser. This suggests that Concussion Missiles are relatively effective against Capital Ships, but incapable of dealing significant damage without a large payload.

Torpedo Yield​

As an establishing feat, one Proton Torpedo from a T-65B X-wing shatters a metal gear, which would destroy 10 city blocks, that laser cannons can barely dent. For context, an Orbital Station was detonated in space around Pandem Nai, so Chass used her stolen X-wing to intercept and obliterate falling debris. It's worth noting that the torpedo would either have to fragment/vaporize the gear into a million pieces, or overpower its kinetic energy. Given the description in the text, the latter seems far more likely.
  • She chased a charred metal wheel like a gear toward the surface, firing staccato blasts as she attempted to see through the gap in the viewport ash. She had trouble contorting herself to observe, stay on target, and fire all at once, and she’d long since given up hope of assistance from D6-L. But the wheel was large enough to blast ten city blocks into a crater, and she had no choice but to snap shot after shot and try to do more than simply dent the metal. She blindly slid a hand across the console, trying to divert more power to her weapon. Instead the whole fighter rumbled and she saw a white-hot streak race from beneath her cockpit toward the wheel. She should have been out of proton torpedoes. The display had told her she was out, and she hadn’t even done anything to trigger the weapon. The torpedo struck. The wheel fragmented as the explosion bloomed, and Quell flew down through the white fire. “Thank you,” she whispered, though she doubted her astromech droid could hear her.
Lando, who didn't even bat an eye at the Falcon's significantly more powerful quad laser cannons, is dumbfounded by the ship having something as powerful as ST2 missiles. So ST2 missiles >>>> Quad Lasers. It's worth noting that this scan doesn't suggest ST2 missiles are more powerful than the turbolasers of a Nebulon Frigate, as A) the Millennium Falcon shares Starfighter's ability to move through and bypass shield bubbles, B) Chewbacca's entire plan was to take out the surface cannons of an Arquitens-class Command Cruiser, and C) Nebulon-Bs actually have Concussion Missiles.

Although incapable of destroying Capital Ships, as I said before, they are designed to attack larger warships.

Proton Bombs​

At first, I assumed these were Proton Bombs and gave the Y-wing an Island level yield for piercing shields. However, they look far more like Ion Cannons (even having the elongated shape of a bolt), which is confirmed by Rebels Proton Bombs being red. Although the turrets are in the wrong place, even the Clone Wars seems to portray their position as being below the ship.

As for the other feats, the weaker parts of the Mandator's exploded armour was damaged by both a Resurgent-class Star Destroyer and even a TIE Fighter in this episode. The thermal port on the Mandator is implied to be one of these weak points. So the feat is probably far lower, and it's entirely possible that TIE Bomber proton bombs don't even scale. Same with the J-1 proton cannons.

Given that even Starfighter proton bombs can batter capital ship shields (and that could be entirely for the gameplay of Star Wars Squadrons), I think they should be superior to something like a Nebulon-B. However, their overall rating is inconsistent.
 
ByAsura said:
I've had to remove some stuff for the sake of time, like debunking Vader and Luke's X-wings falling from orbit in Vader Down.

Miscellaneous​

Venator Firepower​

In Jedi: Fallen Order, the power output of each of a Venator's 10 engines is stated to be capable of producing the equivalent 1 gigaton. The Venator-class can feed the vast majority of its reactor output into its heavy turbolasers, which there's 8 of (meaning 1.25 gigatons per turbolaser).
  • A Venator-class Star Destroyer’s eight DBY-827 heavy turbolaser turrets are the standard requirement in naval gunnery for intense inter-ship combat and planetary bombardment. The DBY-827’s precise, long-range tracking mode enables it to hit targets at distance, while the turret can rotate in three seconds in its close-fighting, fast-tracking mode. Seven different blast intensities provide a choice between crippling shots and outright vaporization of the enemy. The Venator-class, as a true warship, can feed almost its entire reactor output to its heavy guns when required.
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Fantastic post. It was a worthy read.

But my only issue here is regarding the Venator's 1 Gigaton output per engine.

This is what I see in the video:

These high-voltage electricity conduits once powered the Venator's engines. Capable of generating up to 1 Gigaton of energy each, Republic safety precautions required there be no living entities in the area while they were operational.

So... Is this saying that each engine has an output of 1 Gigaton? Or that each energy conduit only has an output of 1 Gigaton?
 
Thank you.

It seems like the conduits. I have no idea how many of them there are (there's six in the video, though), but it seems to be a few per each engine.
 
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Thank you.

It seems like the conduits. I have no idea how many of them there are (there's six in the video, though), but it seems to be a few per each engine.
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Hmm...

Assuming six for the larger engine units and less for the smaller ones, it would probably put the Venator's engine output in the solid 6-C range. Tens of Gigatons?
 
Unfortunately, the Venator has 8 main guns that this would be divided by, plus multiple shots.
 
I'm not sure. The Venator has a main reactor, and two smaller ones that also seem to be hypermatter-based. It can pump almost all reactor output to the guns in situations where its needed, and the text implies all large capital ship-grade warships are designed to this.
 
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I'm not sure. The Venator has a main reactor, and two smaller ones that also seem to be hypermatter-based. It can pump almost all reactor output to the guns in situations where its needed, and the text implies all large capital ship-grade warships are designed to this.
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I know that many capital warships have backup hypermatter reactors, but I forgot about the Venator having two. And, yeah, the old ROTS ICS book said that the Venator can apparently pump most or all output into her main batteries, which they carried over into the Canon complete vehicles.

By the way, regarding starfighter durability: I remember a scene at the beginning of TFA, where a T-70 X-wing used by Poe is destroyed by a First Order heavy assault trooper - via a quick burst from his FWMB-10 megablaster (which is a sort of blaster cannon).

Assuming the FWMB-10 is at least as powerful as Baze Malbus's MWC-35c (which actually seems to be smaller), then this would mean at most low end Building level durability for starfighters like the X-wing. But they also did hit the X-wing's weak spots, so there's that.

What do you make of this?

PS:
I remember the reasoning now for scaling the original TIE/LN durability to the AT-DP. In one scene in the last season of rebels, a TIE/LN crashes into an AT-DP and both are destroyed. In hindsight, this was stupid.
 
Ok.

I'll have to look into that. It seems like a very interesting feat. Also, it's worth noting that a platoon of Stormtroopers were firing alongside the cannon.

In both cases, they're technically blaster cannons (or heavy repeating blasters) with external generators. So I could see the First Order megablaster being akin to an improved version.

That's interesting.
 
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I'll have to look into that. It seems like a very interesting feat. Also, it's worth noting that a platoon of Stormtroopers were firing alongside the cannon.

In both cases, they're technically blaster cannons (or heavy repeating blasters) with external generators. So I could see the First Order megablaster being akin to an improved version.
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Yeah, but their blaster carbines should normally be next to useless against a starfighter that is newer and tougher than a TIE/LN, unless they were hitting weak spots.

Yeah, the FO megablaster is both bigger and newer. Makes sense that it is at least as powerful.
 
It was in concert, also these ones could deal some pretty heavy damage to Poe's engines, so I suppose they're just way stronger than a Stormtrooper's. Also, it's worth noting that the T-70 isn't that much more powerful than the T-65B according to the Rebel Files, although the TIE/fo is grossly above the TIE/ln.
 
I think Yoda's mountain feat is invalid.

The stones are consistently stated to be be alive and are stonepower, which is just the Force. People on the planet gain power from the stones, and lose their abilities upon leaving the planet. Further supporting this, the planet's war is between the light and dark side.

Yoda figures out how to feel the stones breathing, and gains the power to manipulate them, which he was unable to do previously. He later learns to listen to the stones themselves. Later, he learns that the mountains are actually giants, and the people lead them to become dormant. But the Rockwalker's greed and violence (the dark side) also begins to resurrect them once they can communicate with the mountains. Yoda also teaches a rival tribe to let the stone power of the planet flow through them and bring the mountains back.

During the battle, it's stated that the mountains are greater than anything Yoda's ever seen, but he overpowered them by being one with the Force.

Basically, the mountains are the Force and Yoda is just manipulating them. However, Sidious may scale to Bendu creating storms.

On another note, Yoda is called the strongest Jedi Kenobi has ever seen.
 
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I think Yoda's mountain feat is invalid.

The stones are consistently stated to be be alive and are stonepower, which is just the Force. People on the planet gain power from the stones, and lose their abilities upon leaving the planet. Further supporting this, the planet's war is between the light and dark side.

Yoda figures out how to feel the stones breathing, and gains the power to manipulate them, which he was unable to do previously. He later learns to listen to the stones themselves. Later, he learns that the mountains are actually giants, and the people lead them to become dormant. But the Rockwalker's greed and violence (the dark side) also begins to resurrect them once they can communicate with the mountains. Yoda also teaches a rival tribe to let the stone power of the planet flow through them and bring the mountains back.

During the battle, it's stated that the mountains are greater than anything Yoda's ever seen, but he overpowered them by being one with the Force.

Basically, the mountains are the Force and Yoda is just manipulating them. However, Sidious may scale to Bendu creating storms.

On another note, Yoda is called the strongest Jedi Kenobi has ever seen.
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1. Does it really change the fact that he was able to physically overpower one of them and even block a blow from them?

2. How would Sidious scale to Bendu?
 
1. They're literally the Force, so yes.

2. Despite being given a full report (meaning the storm would be included), Vader said Bendu was nothing compared to Palpatine.
 
Alliances. Vader may have been trying to intimidate Thrawn, though, but he did read the reports (this would include storms).
  • “Very well,” he said. “But understand this. All the strength of the creature you faced on Atollon pales in comparison with the power of the Emperor. Are you truly willing to risk his anger?”
Edit: Thrawn did lie about Bendu dying, but I think it's unlikely he'd lie about the storm given the context.
  • “Does that bother you, Admiral?” Vader asked. “The creature you described on Atollon. It nearly defeated you because you could not understand it.” “In the end it was vanquished.” “Was it?” Vader countered. Thrawn’s lips compressed again. “This is hardly the time to discuss such matters.”
  • Thrawn had claimed that his failure to capture or kill Kanan Jarrus at Atollon had been due to the strange creature that had unexpectedly intervened in the battle. The reports from the death trooper guard had appeared to corroborate that.
 
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He heard the reports, meaning he knows Bendu can make storms and nuke AT-ATs.
 
He still knew that the Bendu could do all of those things, though. So sensing is immaterial. The vagueness is why I gave it a possibly rating.
 
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@Soldier_Blue Do you have an idea of how heavy Star Wars ships in the 90-150 metre range are.

I found a really good feat in Jedi Crash. A Republic Frigate (one of the war refits) accidentally transits to hyperspace along the course of a star, and can't revert to realspace due to battle damage. The crew manages to revert into realspace just above the star's surface, and crashes into a nearby planet. The ship was already exploding from re-entry, but managed to barely survive (note that the other engine was one of the things that fell off on re-entry).

They turned on main power part-way through, so the ship was probably shielded in re-entry, but I doubt it was just before impact.

While the damage was severe, light laser cannons are more than capable of ripping apart these ships while they're fully-shielded and undamaged.
 
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@Soldier_Blue Do you have an idea of how heavy Star Wars ships in the 90-150 metre range are.

I found a really good feat in Jedi Crash. A Republic Frigate (one of the war refits) accidentally transits to hyperspace along the course of a star, and can't revert to realspace due to battle damage. The crew manages to revert into realspace just above the star's surface, and crashes into a nearby planet. The ship was already exploding from re-entry, but managed to barely survive (note that the other engine was one of the things that fell off on re-entry).

They turned on main power part-way through, so the ship was probably shielded in re-entry, but I doubt it was just before impact.

While the damage was severe, light laser cannons are more than capable of ripping apart these ships while they're fully-shielded and undamaged.
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No idea. But it's safe to say that it's in the range of several thousand to tens of thousands of tonnes. Real life warships in that same size range and volume are in that weight range, after all.

By the way, in that D-squad episode where a Maxillipede shuttle crashes into Abafar? What kind of durability would that yield? I imagine City Block level+ range, just like with that escape pod Vader took Ochi of Bestoon in?
 
The HOPE shuttle was only a little longer than the Maxillipede, and weighed 14 tonnes, although it lacked the larger tops. Looking at larger space shuttles that far dwarves Maxilipede gets 60-70 tonnes, so I think 20 tonnes (which gets 140 tons of TNT) is reasonable. The 10 tonne X-wing is also similar in length and wingspan, but has nowhere near the overall bulk and is far heavier than aircraft of similar size (probably due to the overpowered thrust engines), so 20 tonnes is pretty conservative.

I'll have to look further into this, but the shuttle's surface armour was wrecked, while the interior was largely fine.
 
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The HOPE shuttle was only a little longer than the Maxillipede, and weighed 14 tonnes, although it lacked the larger tops. Looking at larger space shuttles that far dwarves Maxilipede gets 60-70 tonnes, so I think 20 tonnes (which gets 140 tons of TNT) is reasonable. The 10 tonne X-wing is also similar in length and wingspan, but has nowhere near the overall bulk and is far heavier than aircraft of similar size (probably due to the overpowered thrust engines), so 20 tonnes is pretty conservative.

I'll have to look further into this, but the shuttle's surface armour was wrecked, while the interior was largely fine.
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Yeah, a lot of Star Wars vehicles and armour and weapons are heavier than comparably sized real life counterparts due to added bulk and also actually heavier alloys used in construction. A nice example would be the Clone Trooper DC-15 blaster carbine, which is 1.5 to 2 times as heavy as the Sterling SMG on which it is based (and is roughly the same overall dimensions).
 
I'll do a few calcs and make some different character upgrades/downgrades soon.
 
9-B B1 Droids.

Class 1 Cad Bane.

Wall level Wookies, Trandoshans, etc.

Overall scaling changes.

Unfortunately, my computer decided to do an automatic windows update and I've lost most of it (I still have the feats in my browser, though). It'll take some more time.
 
Why would B1 Droid be 9-B?

I'm fairly sure they always get torn apart by people who should just be 9-C and Lucas himself described them as flimsy and weak compared to Clones and Storm Troopers

There's one who hurts a Clone's hand when he threw a punch but there's far more examples of them getting casually shredded and manhandled
 
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@Hellbeast It's based off fighting characters who can harm them, but if you want to downgrade their durability, then ok.
 
ByAsura said:
9-B B1 Droids.

Class 1 Cad Bane.

Wall level Wookies, Trandoshans, etc.

Overall scaling changes.

Unfortunately, my computer decided to do an automatic windows update and I've lost most of it (I still have the feats in my browser, though). It'll take some more time.
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Cad Bane and other Star Wars "peak human level" characters being Class 1 or higher is something I've had in mind for a long time.

As for Wookiees and Trandoshans: I can see them varying in physical prowess to a great degree, just like humans in this verse. 9-B for average ones makes sense.

Hellbeast said:
Why would B1 Droid be 9-B?

I'm fairly sure they always get torn apart by people who should just be 9-C and Lucas himself described them as flimsy and weak compared to Clones and Storm Troopers

There's one who hurts a Clone's hand when he threw a punch but there's far more examples of them getting casually shredded and manhandled
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Hmm... Whenever I see human level characters taking down B1s, they usually hit them in a weak spot such as the neck joint.

Perhaps the most notable example is teen Saw Gerrera yanking one's head right off in a funny manner.
 
In TPM, one's head actually falls off when they're shut down. The Clone Wars era B1s are upgraded to be autonomous, but that's it, so I could see their necks being weaker.
 
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