I already show 4 quotes of him tiring, all of which are attributed to his regular telekinesis, Force Augmentation, and age.
You still haven't proved how invalid the source I mentioned is, the fact that it is a secondary source doesn't mean anything, it is clearly stated that Dooku was tired as a result of the universal power he received, it is another matter that you call it a figurative language at first and now you accept it
When rereading the panels, it is very clearly stated in the second panel that the Dark Side is drawing all the power it can from the universe. Furthermore, the lack of support for this from his performance in the fight does not invalidate anything. In the panels you shared, it is mentioned that Dooku was fatigued during his duel with Anakin and Obi-Wan, which is not an anti-feat but rather highlights the strength of Anakin and Obi-Wan. So no, this does not create a contradiction.
there's clearly a description of the true power of the dark side, and there's also a mention of the transformation that dooku has gone through, and it's something that is invisible to the eye.
Where is that stated?
All the power he can draw through the Dark Side is not the same as all the power that exists through the Dark Side. Afterall, if he was truly drawing the entire extent of the Dark Side then he wouldn’t need to fear any dark sider eclipsing him, yet he describes Palpatine as “beyond power” in literally the same scene.
I don't want to prolong this issue, so I am writing for the last time in response to your question
As a final point, this was explicitly caused by Skywalker hammering him, and in no way implies he was being tired by some unorthodox drawing of the Force.
The issue here is that Dooku drawing power from all across the universe, becoming its center, and pulling all the power the Dark Side can provide from every corner scales him exactly at a universal level. Dooku was never fatigued because of trivial feats like throwing tables or chairs; rather, it was his duel with Anakin that exhausted him. This is absolutely not an anti-feat.
My opinion on this issue is still that Luke should get the scale from both abeloth and beyond the shadows because he is the only one who can match abeloth and at the same time he can transfer his essence to a realm that is 1A and become one with that realm, but I still haven't reached the necessary panels yet, but I will discuss this with you in part 2.
Poor Krayt always gets forgotten in powerscaling communities lol
I'm sorry, I forgot all about it.
So reading over it, with the knowledge that scaling will be in another thread, I'm fine with everything up to 1-A.
thank you.
3 is the bare minimum to get this thread accepted. Firestorm only approves Realspace, HyperSpace, and I think Other Space. He hasn’t go over the rest, but it should been fine there
Yeah, here we go.
IMO I think The Force being 0 is fine since the passages of evidence for it doesn't come from Supernatural Encounters (to my knowledge)
Hell, in fact SNE is what contradicts The Force being 0. It shows the Force to have a beginning, a major contradiction for 0. The Force otherwise has no end or beginning, and everything in existence will return to it.
So likely High 1-A+ then
Idk. Its probably High 1-A under the current system and I don't know enough about it to really detail on why it would be High 1-A+ or 0.
What exactly is your opinion about the Force?
NP. Take your time.
The current system has 0 as being essentially a monad, which is what The Force is in Legends. TL;DR: You have to exceed cosmological differentiation/separation entirely to qualify for current Tier 0. Pretty much by standard theistic understanding of Omnipotence as is defined in The Divine Comedy. The Force as it is described in Legends, which I touch upon in my explanation here and will in much greater detail in Part 2, fits all of the major criteria our current definition of Tier 0 requires as per Ultima's explanation of it.
You should add things like what the force does and references.
What about the state of becoming fully one with the Force?
That's what I was describing, lol.
Then why is it not 0?
You can't have two Tier 0s in a verse. Unless you're talking about people dying and becoming one with the force, then that's just them returning to The Force itself.
at worst it looks like it will be tier 3
These crts aren't finished yet. I dont think you should use them as an arguementAdditionally, there’s the Void Shiki crt related to this topic, where Shiki’s state of becoming 0 is due to merging with a god. This means merging with 0 makes you 0, and Ultima is active in those crts.
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