Star Wars Cosmology Revision (Part 1 of 4: Legends Cosmology Overview)

[Epyriel]

In the second panel, it is explicitly stated that the Dark Side is drawing all the power it can from every corner of the universe.

Also, the person you’re referring to is Obi-Wan and Anakin, and you haven’t provided any other instance of fatigue either—so no, it’s not an anti-feat.

I already show 4 quotes of him tiring, all of which are attributed to his regular telekinesis, Force Augmentation, and age.

And once again a power drawn from throughout the universe ≠ a universal power. Nowhere does it state he is drawing upon the entirety of the Dark Side, and frankly none of his feats within the fight suggest anywhere near this level of power while his performance against Anakin and Obi-Wan is comparable to their previous encounters in the Clone Wars.

 

[god_cat]

I already show 4 quotes of him tiring, all of which are attributed to his regular telekinesis, Force Augmentation, and age.

And once again a power drawn from throughout the universe ≠ a universal power. Nowhere does it state he is drawing upon the entirety of the Dark Side, and frankly none of his feats within the fight suggest anywhere near this level of power while his performance against Anakin and Obi-Wan is comparable to their previous encounters in the Clone Wars.

You still haven't proved how invalid the source I mentioned is, the fact that it is a secondary source doesn't mean anything, it is clearly stated that Dooku was tired as a result of the universal power he received, it is another matter that you call it a figurative language at first and now you accept it

 

[LordVader28]

I already show 4 quotes of him tiring, all of which are attributed to his regular telekinesis, Force Augmentation, and age.

And once again a power drawn from throughout the universe ≠ a universal power. Nowhere does it state he is drawing upon the entirety of the Dark Side, and frankly none of his feats within the fight suggest anywhere near this level of power while his performance against Anakin and Obi-Wan is comparable to their previous encounters in the Clone Wars.

When rereading the panels, it is very clearly stated in the second panel that the Dark Side is drawing all the power it can from the universe. Furthermore, the lack of support for this from his performance in the fight does not invalidate anything. In the panels you shared, it is mentioned that Dooku was fatigued during his duel with Anakin and Obi-Wan, which is not an anti-feat but rather highlights the strength of Anakin and Obi-Wan. So no, this does not create a contradiction.

Additionally, according to what Bay Godcat shared, Anakin's strikes are tiring Dooku, which emphasizes Anakin's power. And as I’ve already clarified, I am not referring to drawing power from everywhere in the universe but to the fact that Dooku is pulling all the power the Dark Side can provide from the universe—thus reaching universal levels of power.

 

[god_cat]

I already show 4 quotes of him tiring, all of which are attributed to his regular telekinesis, Force Augmentation, and age.

And once again a power drawn from throughout the universe ≠ a universal power. Nowhere does it state he is drawing upon the entirety of the Dark Side, and frankly none of his feats within the fight suggest anywhere near this level of power while his performance against Anakin and Obi-Wan is comparable to their previous encounters in the Clone Wars.

there's clearly a description of the true power of the dark side, and there's also a mention of the transformation that dooku has gone through, and it's something that is invisible to the eye.

Until he became the axis of the Universe. This was the real power of the dark side, the power he had suspected even as a boy, had sought through his long life until Darth Sidious had shown him that it had been his all along. Thedark side didn't bring him to the center of the universe. Itmade him the center.

He drew power into his innermost being until the Force itself existed only to serve his will.

Now the scene below subtly altered, though to the physicaleye there was no change. Powered by the dark side, Dooku's perception took the measure of those below him with exhilaratingprecision.

Kenobi was luminous, a transparent being, a window onto asunlit meadow of the Force.

-rots novel

 

[Epyriel]

it is clearly stated that Dooku was tired as a result of the universal power he received

Where is that stated?

When rereading the panels, it is very clearly stated in the second panel that the Dark Side is drawing all the power it can from the universe. Furthermore, the lack of support for this from his performance in the fight does not invalidate anything. In the panels you shared, it is mentioned that Dooku was fatigued during his duel with Anakin and Obi-Wan, which is not an anti-feat but rather highlights the strength of Anakin and Obi-Wan. So no, this does not create a contradiction.

Additionally, according to what Bay Godcat shared, Anakin's strikes are tiring Dooku, which emphasizes Anakin's power. And as I’ve already clarified, I am not referring to drawing power from everywhere in the universe but to the fact that Dooku is pulling all the power the Dark Side can provide from the universe—thus reaching universal levels of power.

All the power he can draw through the Dark Side is not the same as all the power that exists through the Dark Side. Afterall, if he was truly drawing the entire extent of the Dark Side then he wouldn’t need to fear any dark sider eclipsing him, yet he describes Palpatine as “beyond power” in literally the same scene.

Putting aside the absurdity of needing all the power in the universe to throw a table.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I rather avoid us cluttering this thread too much as we ain’t supposed to deal with the scaling and feats, mainly the cosmological aspect to deal with currently

 

[god_cat]

Where is that stated?


All the power he can draw through the Dark Side is not the same as all the power that exists through the Dark Side. Afterall, if he was truly drawing the entire extent of the Dark Side then he wouldn’t need to fear any dark sider eclipsing him, yet he describes Palpatine as “beyond power” in literally the same scene.

Putting aside the absurdity of needing all the power in the universe to throw a table.

I don't want to prolong this issue, so I am writing for the last time in response to your question



He decided he'd best revise his strategy once again.

He no longer even tried to strike back. Force exhaustionbegan to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousnessback down to his physical form, trapping him within his ownskull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led upto the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higherground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious.

-rots novel

 

[Epyriel]

I don't want to prolong this issue, so I am writing for the last time in response to your question



He decided he'd best revise his strategy once again.

He no longer even tried to strike back. Force exhaustionbegan to close down his perceptions, drawing his consciousnessback down to his physical form, trapping him within his ownskull until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him; he dimly sensed stairs at his back, stairs that led upto the entrance balcony. He retreated up them, using the higherground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly ferocious.

-rots novel

As a final point, this was explicitly caused by Skywalker hammering him, and in no way implies he was being tired by some unorthodox drawing of the Force.

 

[LordVader28]

Where is that stated?


All the power he can draw through the Dark Side is not the same as all the power that exists through the Dark Side. Afterall, if he was truly drawing the entire extent of the Dark Side then he wouldn’t need to fear any dark sider eclipsing him, yet he describes Palpatine as “beyond power” in literally the same scene.

Putting aside the absurdity of needing all the power in the universe to throw a table.

The issue here is that Dooku drawing power from all across the universe, becoming its center, and pulling all the power the Dark Side can provide from every corner scales him exactly at a universal level. Dooku was never fatigued because of trivial feats like throwing tables or chairs; rather, it was his duel with Anakin that exhausted him. This is absolutely not an anti-feat.

The evidence you’ve provided does not support your claim that it’s an anti-feat. However, when we consider what Bay Godcat shared, it is explicitly mentioned that his fight with Anakin tired him out, which highlights Anakin's power and does not diminish Dooku in any way.

 

[LordVader28]

But anyway, I won’t prolong this discussion.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

All I'll say is

The current force users who scale to 4-B will be upgraded to High 3-A to maybe 1-C under my proposals for Part 2. I swear it's coming soon