The reason I bring up these CRTs is that Ultima doesn’t get involved in such matters, and while I’m not sure how accurate it is, I’ve heard that Oversoul Spectre was accepted as 0 for merging with Divine Presence, but I don’t know its validity.
So when will action be taken for this?
The second thread as discussed by the OP.
We aren't using SNE for reasons we've discussed earlier on. Although, under the specific SNE cosmology page, The Force will be High 1-A+ while The Father of Lights will be 0, since The Force was created as the "supernal permeation" of The Father of Light's reality uttered by his "song".
I think it's not appropriate to classify all Oneness states as 0 or High 1-A+. There is a vast difference between the Oneness experienced by Jacen and that of Luke.
Similarly, I think there is a huge difference between FO jacen and oneness luke but I still think luke can be 1A thanks to beyond shadow and onimi can physically scale with FO jacen
I especially can't wait for part 2 to arrive.
Weren't true form celestials (in this case, the Ones, since they are celestials) 1-A? Also, their mortal forms was 1-C, not Low 1-C, if I recall correctly.
I didn't see anything about the Ones/Celestials in the 1-A sections. Did I miss something?
I think Luke's specific form of Oneness against Abeloth would qualify for High 1-A+/ 0. I think it should be judged on a case by case basis for profiles.
Luke's oneness was not nearly as strong as Jacen's iirc, Abeloth could still keep up and often counter him, though I admit I do not remember if this was done in the Beyond Shadows or not.
I'm assuming this since the sandbox profile made by the OP about the Ones specifically had these ratings and also there was a conversation back at almost the beginning of the thread about the Ones taking the Beyond Shadows scaling.
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I'm actually curious about it
Luke in Oneness pretty much instantaneously stomps True Form Abeloth, who we've already established is 1-A.
I'm assuming this since the sandbox profile made by the OP about the Ones specifically had these ratings and also there was a conversation back at almost the beginning of the thread about the Ones taking the Beyond Shadows scaling.
This is the one pertaining to the Father, the others are in page 3 of this CRT.
The Low 1-C is, I assume, a typing mistake, since the Ones should also logically scale above Otherspace (from scans and quote seen previously in this thread) which is qualitatively superior to Hyperspace despite it being "between" Realspace and Hyperspace.
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I’ve been pondering Star Wars cosmology for a month now, but I still haven’t finished... Yes, this truly takes a long time.
Seems fair to me, but if they scale based on the fact that their essence is beyond the shadow, then wouldn't the base form of power users like krayt and luke also scale? after all, his essence is one with the force and one with beyond shadow.
If you are theorizing that the incarnations of the Mortis Gods are somehow mere physical avatars in contrast to some unseen true form, you will want to choose a different name aside ‘Celestials’ for said form. The Celestials is already the name for the civilization from which the Mortis Gods ascended from prior to the rule of the Rakata.
Otherspace is described as “between” Hyperspace and Realspace as well as “one step” removed, implying it is one dimension down from Hyperspace rather than up. Thus for regular space-time being 4D and Hyperspace being multiple dimensions above that (thus being 6D+), Otherspace would be one level down from that (thus 5D+).
Seems to me more to be fancy language for the fact that it is only accessible via Hyperspace, not that it is superior to it.
Being between Realspace and Hyperspace seems pretty clear cut, especially in context of being “one step removed” as the chosen language instead of “one step above”.
Even force beings like abeloth can transfer their force essence into this realm, even luke can do it, but for mortis gods it seems to be something much simpler.
Not sure if that really affects anything I said, but when do the Mortis Gods enter Beyond Shadows?
Force Walk is the name of their technique that allows them to bind ghosts. It is a different thing from the mind walk that Luke uses.
Ah that’s a different thing. I believe that is a misprint for dream walking which is the Voss healing ritual that Nox used to stop the ghosts from destroying their mind.
That’s all true, but that is all separate from Beyond Shadows.
what I mean is that even users like abeloth and luke can already use mind walk, but wouldn't the mortis gods provide it automatically since they know every ability?
Abeloth's true form is situated in Beyond Shadows. Celestials (or whatever we'd call the true form of The Ones) should exist on par with it as Abeloth is also a celestial, thus The Ones' true forms must be comparable or equal to Abeloth's, which has qualitative superiority due to Beyond Shadows. Effecting lesser worlds is not necessarily a requirement for 1-A.
Unfortunately due to a time crunch, I could only address the most pertinent part of the scaling I wanted, that being the 1-A god-tiers and the Tier 0 force. I will go into much more detail when I have the time and hopefully if anyone here is willing to help me with some stuff.
