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This happened way before Malak's prime, tho. Also, can I see what quote puts that Vitiate below Exar? Particularly the date it was made.
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Star Wars Cosmology Revision (Part 1 of 4: Legends Cosmology Overview)
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Edit: So as to not clog the thread, I have wrote a PM
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Yeah, the OP was mainly focused on the cosmological aspect of Legends/Formerly EU of Star Wars outside of the scaling been noted in the OP
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Even if this doesn't get accepted, it was way long overdue for a massive SW Legends and Canon revision and glad to see some discussion on it
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FRA (technically before IG) Sidious can't scale to Hyperspace in it's entirety as he was only consuming the space of it, which is High 3-A. But for reasons stated by another user here in-depth the feat itself is questionable regardless.
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That's going to be in Part 2 which is almost done.
Also, in case you're wondering, I used to be in contact with Guruguru on Discord often until a falling out with a few former friends of mine, but I'm not gonna get into the rest. Not sure if you know me or not still, I don't think you would if you weren't on the DBM server or the Rappterverse.
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I would like to address the points I disagree with.
In Real Space, there is a dimension of time, and it is considered infinite, meaning this should make Real Space L2-C.
It is incorrect to say that there are divisions and separations in the Force, because the Force is one, it is absolute unity. In fact, looking at what is being conveyed in all these panels, we can say that the Force is one, even if it is referred to as the Unifying Force, Cosmic Force, or other names.It is also a mistake to classify the Force and the Father of Light as separate entities.Because they are the same entity.When we return to the divisions of the Force, such definitions ultimately reflect the Living Force because living beings interact with the Living Force. The true nature of the Force cannot be defined, meaning all of this ultimately gives us the 0 Force.
In Real Space, there is a dimension of time, and it is considered infinite, meaning this should make Real Space L2-C.
It is incorrect to say that there are divisions and separations in the Force, because the Force is one, it is absolute unity. In fact, looking at what is being conveyed in all these panels, we can say that the Force is one, even if it is referred to as the Unifying Force, Cosmic Force, or other names.It is also a mistake to classify the Force and the Father of Light as separate entities.Because they are the same entity.When we return to the divisions of the Force, such definitions ultimately reflect the Living Force because living beings interact with the Living Force. The true nature of the Force cannot be defined, meaning all of this ultimately gives us the 0 Force.
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Yeah, I'm addressing this in Part 2. The Father of Lights proposal is going to be removed as it is simply just a conceptualization of The Force. The Force in it's entirety should be Tier 0. Apparently even Ultima agrees with this from what I've heard, too.
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So at what level will Whills writers scale?
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I mean in actual Legends material there isn’t enough information to really scale them anywhere. In an early draft of ANH they were supposed to be pretty much interchangeable with the Force itself, but that never made it to publication.
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Can we derive something from this? These seem like the authors of everything, and there’s George Lucas’s statement, which appears to confirm this. It is also referred to as an aspect of the Force. Could it at least be 1-A?
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At that point we would be scaling them entirely off of author statements (which don’t actually have any canonical foundation). The actual Journal of the Whills is something that could just as easily be written from the perspective of a regular mortal observer from an order of mystics. This later interpretation is backed by have Qui-Gon Jinn stating that he knew of only one Shaman who had achieved immortality, which would be a weird thing to say if the Whills are actually just equivalent to the Force itself like in some earlier conceptions by Lucas.
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so any level will not scale either
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I agree that regardless, The Force should be High 1-A+/0. I've been aware of these statements about The Force for a good minute.
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Is there a tally so far?
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Think Gojo loses even without the Force being tier 1/0. The Force exists everywhere which Infinity does nothing and cannot stop it.
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Any conclusive thoughts on just the cosmology revision? If all three of us agree, we can move on to scaling.
Any conclusive thoughts on just the cosmology revision? If all three of us agree, we can move on to scaling.
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Don’t forget DarkDragon as he make a comment earlier about the Tier 1 aspects.
Mind giving a opinion on Hyperspace and Real Space at least?
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Still in agreement, not much to add
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Probably 1-C based off of the changes I'm making in Part 2, which is about done.
By the way, should probably share the sandbox profiles I made which are based off the Part 2 proposals:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StoneKillerz12/Abeloth
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StoneKillerz12/The_Son
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StoneKillerz12/The_Daughter
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StoneKillerz12/The_Father
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That's mainly for Part 2 and 3 (FYI, this is now exclusively a CRT related to the Legends cosmology, will probably still address wiki-related stuff about how Legends and Canon should all be completely separate profiles, though). Part 2 is about finished.
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I'm pretty confident DarkDragon was joking. It was likely a pun on the iconic "I have a bad feeling about this" line, and I'm pretty sure it's in the context of "I don't think this is gonna get accepted".
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I am aware, but either way, best to get some solid confirmation on what his stances are exactly here
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Father won't take the scale from Beyond Shadows?
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I thought the father and the rest of the mortis gods would be 1A.
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I was not expecting Star Wars Legends to have all this stuff, including a monad. Huh...
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Do you agree with the changes?
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Actually, we have talked about the 1-A mortis gods before and almost everyone agreed
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There is no point here because you haven't proven that it's a slow process. As I said earlier (I guess you missed that edit), you're the one making the claims, so the onus is on you to prove that it's a slow process, which you've failed to do. Which actually substantiates it being quick. How...
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Will look at closer later today.
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I agree that the beyond shadow state was predicted to be 1A at nominal values, and considering that the mortis gods are superior to luke who can transfer their essence to beyond shadow, this seems logical.Actually, we have talked about the 1-A mortis gods before and almost everyone agreed
Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi
There is no point here because you haven't proven that it's a slow process. As I said earlier (I guess you missed that edit), you're the one making the claims, so the onus is on you to prove that it's a slow process, which you've failed to do. Which actually substantiates it being quick. How...
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