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Yeah, I've since changed The Celestial key for The Ones to 1-A. Check back on my sandbox profiles.
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Star Wars Cosmology Revision (Part 1 of 4: Legends Cosmology Overview)
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Yeah, I've since changed The Celestial key for The Ones to 1-A. Check back on my sandbox profiles.
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But wouldn't Luke and Abeloth be affected in the same way because they carried their selves into beyond shadow so their essence existed on a higher plane of existence while their physical bodies remained in realspace?
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Seems at most to be Beyond-Dimensional hax. Probably could apply for Immeasurable speed for GM Luke, though.
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Isn't it enough that he manipulates a place that is technically 1A and his essence is one with it?
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When do we start Part 2?
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I'd be fine with it if it were as "1-A spatial manipulation/environmental destruction via Mind Walking", which is the process that achieves Beyond Shadows and allows Luke to become one with it's essence.
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but don't the mortis gods already scale in the same way, I mean, thanks to their essence being in this higher realm of existence, I mean, in short, if beyond shadow is already 1A, I think it can be affected in luke, but of course I respect your opinion and I am very excited about it.
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The Ones are going to be separated into two keys, as "The Mortis Gods" are simply physical manifestations of Celestials, who are 1-A. Abeloth debatably would scale to 1-A at her full power.
I keep having to revise some of my proposals based off of discussion here and my own findings.
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@LordVader28 @god_cat @TegamiBachi25 Also, how do we feel about a 1-C to 1-A key for a Mortis Amped Anakin/Full Potential Anakin?
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I think it's very suitable
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by full power abeloth, do you mean true form or pre-prison abeloth?
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I think this is appropriate. I don't understand why it hasn't been scaled from Mortis gods in the past anyway
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Anakin/Vader is my favorite character so I might be biased towards him anyway lol. But yeah. Where does Canon Anakin scale with Mortis amp since TCW up to Season 6 is both Legends and Canon if Legends Anakin with Mortis amp will be 1-C to 1-A?
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Hello.
This thread has been using material from the Supernatural Encounters novel, so pardon me if I'm wrong, but didn't that novel have the universe working based on a slightly different Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics?
Last time I read it, the chapters pertaining to the Bedlam Spirits, namely Splendid Ap, had some clear nods to the MWI (or an analogue in-verse), if that proves to be correct would it not make the universe eligible for a High-1B classification?
Once I have the scans at hand, I will send them here.
This thread has been using material from the Supernatural Encounters novel, so pardon me if I'm wrong, but didn't that novel have the universe working based on a slightly different Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics?
Last time I read it, the chapters pertaining to the Bedlam Spirits, namely Splendid Ap, had some clear nods to the MWI (or an analogue in-verse), if that proves to be correct would it not make the universe eligible for a High-1B classification?
Once I have the scans at hand, I will send them here.
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Just curious, what does MWI mean?
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First of all: Good ******* job on the OP of this thread, it is explained wonderfully and is well organized.
Now as for the cosmology shenanigans... seems fine. I'm no expert though.
Now as for the cosmology shenanigans... seems fine. I'm no expert though.
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Agree with op all above
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I just realized, since the Force will be the UES of Star Wars, there will be a canon or legends split for its applications and abilities, right? Cause legends has a bunch more hax, even if the force across both mediums is somewhat same with legends having a bunch more stuff
Say for example, a profile page titled “The Force (Canon)” or “The Force (Legends)” since we’ll eventually have profile splits for characters like anakin, kenobi, sidious, etc
Say for example, a profile page titled “The Force (Canon)” or “The Force (Legends)” since we’ll eventually have profile splits for characters like anakin, kenobi, sidious, etc
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Seems like it, yeah.
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I'll be free to comment Friday. College/work increases have basically sucked most of my free time away
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Or more so different tabs for each basically like dragon ball ki mechanics already having them
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We're probably not going to be using SNE FRA, it will likely be treated similarly to the DC/Vertigo cosmology splits
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Oh, that's a shame, the novel actually fits into the EU and is a great addition, but I can understand the reason.
One question then, when scaling the cosmology of SNE, will the one being worked in this thread also apply? Because after all treating the novel as a complete separate work is, in all honesty, quite stupid, the plot makes no sense if we do.
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(Unrelated note, it's helpful for me to use in my Star Wars/Honkai crossover at least.)
Also, technically since Anakin is mentioned in SNE to have defeated Nakhash, wouldn't there also be another separate profile for him, that being "Anakin Skywalker (Supernatural Encounters)" as pretty much alongside Anakin Skywalker (Canon) and Anakin Skywalker (Legends)?
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Seems like there will still be 1-A upgrades for the god-tiers of the EU/Legends cosmology even without SNE, and The Force itself getting Tier 0.
And yes, we will likely be making SNE pages too.
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Pretty much, when making profiles for SNE you'll get new ones for Anakin, all Bedlam Spirits (who become surprisingly well fleshed out characters in the novel), Wutzek, Typhojem, Nakhash (think of Lucifer Morningstar but on a bigger scale) and many more that I don't know off the top of my head.
In short, imagine Ctullhu Mythos but in Star Wars.
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Realspace - Fine
Hyperspace - Fine
Otherspace - I suppose that makes sense.
Will get to the other stuff soon.
Hyperspace - Fine
Otherspace - I suppose that makes sense.
Will get to the other stuff soon.
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At what level do you think these characters should scale
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Do you mean in this Legends-only cosmology or taking SNE into account?
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ShivaShakti had an Anakin rework in the works but she's busy irl now so I'm not sure if it will ever be complete.
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"While Dooku was drawing on the entirety of the Dark Side's energies, to the point he was described as being "the axis of the universe""
If he was weaponizing the entirety of the Dark Side wouldn't this be way higher than 4-B ?
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most likely yes
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It could be interpreted as flowery language, but I would honestly say it can scale higher, yes.
Sometimes the passages are too well written to be just poetism, a proeminent example of that being the passage where Sidious shook multiple stars and realigned constellations. Some people like to downplay Sidious by saying that was just hyperbole, the problem with that is that it's way too complex to be, plus you have other star-affectings feats in the EU, like Naga Sadow making two go supernova (while in the Sith meditation sphere) and Valley-amped Jerec being able to "wipe out systems with a whisper".
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Including Supernatural Encounters
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Matthew Stover definitely goes hard with the esoteric, like how he describes Jacen's experience with the Force in NJO
So it's very likely he truly meant it, that Dooku for a moment truly felt the full bearing of the darkside. Specially when that passage goes on to also describe how Dooku perceives the things around him through the Force.
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In that case, I'd say Bedlam Spirits can be High 1-B (MWI functions based on an infinite-dimensional Hilbert Space (yes, I know this argument causes some controversy)), maybe even 1-A due to being unaffected by time much like the Celestials whereas the rest of the whole physical universe (Inf-D) is bound by time. Typhojem and Abeloth (relative power levels) both get upscaled from 1-C to High 1-B.
Celestials, like Wutzek, are way above the Bedlams, so 1-A (much like the current Legends cosmology suggests), likely higher. Then you have Nakhash, who's pretty much the Lucifer Morningstar of Star Wars. It was stated that all celestials were powerless against him, so I believe that gives him a solid High 1-A tier, very likely High 1-A+ given the fact he 'scared' the Supreme Maker.
The Force remains the exact same, tier 0.
I will not put the scans here since this thread is Legends-only, and unfortunately SNE is not 'canon to Legends', but if you wanna see them anyways you can DM me.
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Makes sense, and that would further cement Sidious' case for a higher tier.
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For reference purposes, the full passage
Notice how Dooku describes Sidious as a darkness beyond darkness when looking at him through the Force. This is stupidly consistent with how Tenebrous perceived Sidious in The Tenebrous Way (also written by Stover), as a smear of darkness, a shadow killing Plagueis
So these perceptions are very much meant to be the case. Giving more credence to the fact Dooku, at that moment, was indeed using the full power of the dark side.
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so where would Legends Force wielders be then? Cause this sounds like a lot more than just High 6-A and even 5-B, which the planet level justification is getting nuked
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