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I actually continued after saying that for two paragraphs. But if you are just going to respond with sarcasm then okay.
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Exactly this. Stop fighting. You know better.The real cal howard said:C'mon. Let's not be harsh to one another. I understand how we can get onto one another's nerves, but let's not insult and such.
Physics in general at its very foundation is against dimensional tiering, why else do you think we dont use actual physics. And yeah, they use basic physics like newtonian or to an extent classical physics, but in the case of marvel at least, I dont think they commonly use the geometrical interpretation, rather the cantor version of math and a non dimensional tiering physics.Matthew Schroeder said:You cannot assume that physics in all of fiction is identical to real-life physics, and many fictions use basic physics for a lot of things but throw it out of the water for others. DC Comics for example using Superstring-Theory for a lot of things, but isn't accurate with how Higher-Dimensions work nor their number, and that's okay.The Living Tribunal1 said:@matt: anything using string theory uses physics, which as I have said a thousand times before, is practically opposed to dimensional tiering.
Also, as far as marvel goes, they commonly use the cantor set system of multiverses for their higher ranked entities, like stating that true cosmic concepts are at an unimaginable cantor/cardinal set of infinity.
Physics conform to fiction, not the other way around.
And false, Marvel has infinite higher spatial dimensions. I proved this months ago.
Not really, marvel does have the infinite ranking hierarchy, but their are different methods to explore the same idea. In the case of marvel, they repeatedly time and again use cantor's theory and apply it to greater multiverses to explain their concept. In our version of the infinite hierarchy, we use a simple geometrical means. Simply because the result is the same doesnt mean the meethods have to even remotely be similar.Matthew Schroeder said:Marvel is super simple. Every Higher-Dimension is infinitely above the previous. Regardless if they explain it geometrically or with transfinite mathematics, the end result is the same.
Then we can open the thread for him, when he's here.VenomElite said:We should wait. Kavpeny told Ant he will reply in 24 hours.
The result is the same, but that is because they are approaching the same idea but through different ways.Matthew Schroeder said:The end-result is the same. Tier 1 can be reached through a vast array of ways, be them geometry, Aleph-Sets, or metaphysical stuff. There is no one correct way.
Also, this thread is not going to be closed.
Matthew Schroeder said:My argument has nothing to do with real life science. It has to do with fiction and how it portrays those concepts, and a practical solution to rank these characters. You bring up 1D characters with 2 Temporal Dimensions... Can you provide any examples of such beings across fiction?
Infinite Speed: The Distance / Time equation results in an infinite number
Immeasurable Speed: The Distance / Time equation doesn't apply.
It's really so simple, you guys.
LordX was simply throwing his own opinion while also agreeing with the points of TLT, I know he did not consider the idea of dismantling our tiering System. I can assure you he likes and cares for our system.Antvasima said:If I understood LordXcano correctly, he wishes to dismantle the fundaments of our system. That is completely unacceptable.
I am not sure when Kavpeny will be able to reply. He said that it would take at least 24 hours.
LordXcano said:Isn't the major complaint that pretty much every website levies against our tiering system is that dimensional tiering is almost never ever used in fiction outside of technobabble and Mr. Mxyzptlk?
I'd much rather prefer a system that is actually accurate and doesn't reflect fiction over a system that doesn't reflect fiction and isn't accurate.
Complicated? Not really. Gradiating temporal dimensions to speed is not any more complicated than dimensional tiering for AP and dura. Immeasureable speed outside physical distance? Any grade 12 math student can tell you the speed of any higher spatial dimensional being moving in all the extra space dimensions over some period of time. The fact that people think beyond 3-space dimensional beings are beyond calculable distance is absurd. As long as a being has one time dimension, and non infinite speed at that, its speed can easily be calculated and measured. Which is literally the opposite of the term immeasuruable. I am for logical coherency and truthfulness to the mathematical system. The whole idea is to make ourselves more and more mathematically true, doesnt matter who we alienate, heck a majority of vs sites most likely do not use dimensional tiering, so should we go back to the megaversal system to not alienate them? No, of course not! And the same goes for temporal dimensional tiering.Peach-chan said:That just makes things complicated. There are many concepts of dimensions. Immeasurable speed should just be outside physical distance. It's simple and makes sense as you go up the dimensional ladder. Including temporal dimensions will only alienate people more. The system used on this site is already complex enough. It needs to remain simple like ACF and Vi Powerlisting.
I think what he said was other sites complain about our system, but it is mathematically accurate. So that accuracy should be extended to speed tiering based on temporal dimensions, hence supporting a system that uses logic more than example of fiction. Arguing against temporal tiering based on example and not logic is hence like those other sites arguing against dimensional tiering and instead of following the basic geometric logic, they argue to see explicite examples of this tiering in every fiction- which is again something non dimensional tiering sites use.Matthew Schroeder said:@Grudge
He actually kinda did.
"Isn't the major complaint that pretty much every website levies against our tiering system is that dimensional tiering is almost never ever used in fiction outside of technobabble and Mr. Mxyzptlk?
I'd much rather prefer a system that is actually accurate and doesn't reflect fiction over a system that doesn't reflect fiction and isn't accurate."
He was literally statement that fictions don't use higher dimensions and that our system is inaccurate and doesn't reflect fiction.