PGR immeasurable speed removal

[Unqver]

I read through several profiles for Punishing Gray Raven and found the justifications for the immeasurable speed of multiple characters to be even worse than the idea than Low 1-A Tribbie. I can't find a CRT that had Immeasurable speed accepted so I assume it was there when the profiles were created.

Let's start with the verse's heaviest hitter, Ishmael:

Speed: Immeasurable (Is beyond the concept of linear time, and sees time as a book that can be read from any page and can keep up with Lee Hyperreal) | At least Immeasurable

First off, the scan never said that Ishamel or any higher-dimensional being is beyond the concept of linear time. What it actually says is time in lower-dimensions is like a physical object in the perspective of higher-dimensional beings. As for time being a book whatsoever, its rather talking about that higher-dimensional beings sees lower-dimensional beings as a book that can be read, not because the concept of time is a book itself. Higher-dimensions by default still have a time-axis, unless if the so-called "higher-dimensions" are 1-A layers which obviously is not the case here.

Next up, Lee:

Immeasurable (Exists unbound by linear time, and can freely travel across the spacetime continuum) | At least Immeasurable

The scan absolutely does not say he is unbound by linear time. The scan actually says Lee traveled through the space-time continuum but instead arrived to an alternate dimension of Chaos. This is not immeasurable speed, but Dimensional Travel. Even if Lee were to travel through space-times through sheer speed, it'll still not be immeasurable speed as travelling through space-time =/= moving beyond linear time.

Now moving onto our dear female central protagonist, Lucia:

Immeasurable (Was shown flying back and forward in time in her fight with Vonnegut)

Probably the worst one out of the rest. There was literally a portal present. There was a goddamn portal lmao Well, the portal did lead to a dimension that allowed them to travel back through time, but that is a property of the realm, not the character's sheer speed itself.

Vonnegut:

Speed: Immeasurable (Was shown flying back and forward in time in his fight with Lucia)

Same scan as Lucia's. They travelled back in time through a portal.

Cradle:

Immeasurable (Comparable to Vonnegut who was shown flying backwards and forward in time in his fight with Lucia)

Same scan as Lucia's. They travelled back in time through a portal.

The Hetero Tower:

Speed: Immeasurable (The Tower manifests the spacetime continuum and is unbound by linear time) | At least Immeasurable | Unknown

This one is at least debatable. A part of the description says that the past and present takes tangible forms but that can mean anything and even be interpreted as flowery language, not ncessarily that time is treated as a spatial dimension. Another description says it reaches beyond the confines of a space-time continuum without mentioning higher-dimensions and breaking free of confines of the timeline whatsoever, which could be immeasurable speed but I'll let the mods decide on this. I propose that The Hetero Tower should has its speed rating changed to possibly Immeasurable with its description altered a bit.

@Arkenis mentioned Alternate Future Display for The Hetero Tower based on the scans.

This is about the end of my OP for now. All of the characters thats been mentioned will have their immeasurable speed removed with it downgraded back to sub-relativistic and The Hetero Tower changing to a possibly immeasurable speed rating.

 

[SweetDao]

Following. I'm not a supporter of the verse though.

Probably the worst one out of the rest. There was literally a portal present. There was a goddamn portal lmao

Just to preface this, DO NOT quote me on that, as I said I know nothing.

I think that the argument here isn't about the portal itself, it's about the fact (possibly, again, not sure) that they fight during the time travel portion within the portal. However, if the argument really steems from the portal, yeah, I don't think it is legitimate.

 

[Arkenis]

Let's start off with the verse's heaviest hitter, Ishmael:

I don't see how this isn't immeasurable. Are you suggesting he's higher d but can only see different points in time?

Probably the worst one out of the rest. There was literally a portal present. There was a goddamn portal lmao

Anything be getting accepted.

This one is at least debatable. A part of the description says that the past and present takes tangible forms but that can mean anything and even be interpreted as flowery language, not ncessarily that time is treated as a spatial dimension. Another description says it reaches beyond the confines of a space-time continuum without mentioning higher-dimensions and breaking free of confines of the timeline whatsoever, which could be immeasurable speed but I'll let the mods decide on this. I propose that The Hetero Tower should has its speed rating changed to possibly Immeasurable with its description altered a bit.

Seems more like

Alternate Future Display

Alternate Future Display is the ability for users to show others how their lives would be or become if they had chosen to make different decisions in their lives. They can essentially show alternate futures to others and the alternate possibilities of their lives formed by personal decisions. It...

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[Unqver]

I think that the argument here isn't about the portal itself, it's about the fact (possibly, again, not sure) that they fight during the time travel portion within the portal. However, if the argument really steems from the portal, yeah, I don't think it is legitimate.

The portal leads to a realm then that realm creates another portal to allow them to travel back into the past. Well, thats the property of the realm not the speed of the character's itself. Just clarifying your comment.

I don't see how this isn't immeasurable. Are you suggesting he's higher d but can only see different points in time?

The scan is an anology of how higher-dimensions sees lower-dimensions. Higher-dimensional beings can see lower-dimensional beings past, present and future like fictional characters in a book. They're not actually transcending the concept of time.

Unless you're gonna take the higher-dimensional beings viewing the time of lower-dimensions as mere books to be literal, then that would be 1-A. But they aren't 1-A, so...

Do you see my point?

 

[SweetDao]

The portal leads to a realm then that realm creates another portal to allow them to travel back into the past. Well, thats the property of the realm not the speed of the character's itself. Just clarifying your comment.

oh, it's the realms that do this? Yeah, I don't think that can work then.

 

[Arkenis]

The scan is an anology of how higher-dimensions sees lower-dimensions. Higher-dimensional beings can see lower-dimensional beings past, present and future like fictional characters in a book. They're not actually transcending the concept of time.

Unless you're gonna take the higher-dimensional beings viewing the time of lower-dimensions as mere books to be literal, then that would be 1-A. But they aren't 1-A, so...

Do you see my point?

If you're going off R>F, this doesn't map onto that whatsoever. I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, but forget the idea of transcending the concept, they transcend regular time. Why isn't that immeasurable speed? They explicitly call time an object and perceive it in different points that can just flip to like a book.

 

[Unqver]

If you're going off R>F, this doesn't map onto that whatsoever. I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, but forget the idea of transcending the concept, they transcend regular time. Why isn't that immeasurable speed? They explicitly call time an object and perceive it in different points that can just flip to like a book.

Higher-dimensional beings of course transcend lower-dimensional beings. The analogy is like how we see characters in a novel, we can flip pages of a book and the point of time of the story changes. It does make us beyond their time axis but doesn't make us above our own time axis. Ishamel as a higher-dimensional being transcend the space-time of lower-dimensions, but doesn't make her transcend the time in her own respective dimension of origin.

Even with that aside, it attributes more to time manipulation rather than immeasurable speed.

 

[Arkenis]

Higher-dimensional beings of course transcend lower-dimensional beings. The analogy is like how we see characters in a novel, we can flip pages of a book and the point of time of the story changes. It does make us beyond their time axis but doesn't make us above our own time axis. Ishamel as a higher-dimensional being transcend the space-time of lower-dimensions, but doesn't make her transcend the time in her own respective dimension of origin.

Even with that aside, it attributes more to time manipulation rather than immeasurable speed.

Higher existence doesn't need to transcend their own time to be immeasurable speed from all the pages I've seen with it, but we should just wait for a mod or whoever made the pages to argue.

 

[Vietthai96]

I always got roped into these kinds of CRTs for some reasons, anyway

Yeah, Immeasurable speed removal is fine

Higher existence doesn't need to transcend their own time to be immeasurable speed from all the pages I've seen with it, but we should just wait for a mod or whoever made the pages to argue.

Depends, if you truly using higher-dimensional status to treat time as physical distance and move across it then it is Immeasurable speed. In this case however it isn't, because from the scan, it is due to higher-dimension view lower-dimension, including time as book, so the character in question view time as book due to existing in that higher-dimension, so this is the property of the higher-dimension allow said character to do so, not their inherent ability. So even if we accept Immeasurable speed, it is going to be Immeasurable speed via living in higher-dimension, and i don't remember we giving abilities granted by the environment

 

[Arkenis]

I always got roped into these kinds of CRTs for some reasons, anyway

Yeah, Immeasurable speed removal is fine


Depends, if you truly using higher-dimensional status to treat time as physical distance and move across it then it is Immeasurable speed. In this case however it isn't, because from the scan, it is due to higher-dimension view lower-dimension, including time as book, so the character in question view time as book due to existing in that higher-dimension, so this is the property of the higher-dimension allow said character to do so, not their inherent ability. So even if we accept Immeasurable speed, it is going to be Immeasurable speed via living in higher-dimension, and i don't remember we giving abilities granted by the environment

I figured that, but that should be put on page if it isn't I suppose.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Makes sense to me.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I read through several profiles for Punishing Gray Raven and found the justifications for the immeasurable speed of multiple characters to be even worse than the idea than Low 1-A Tribbie.

Dont ever slander my goat that scales 1000x above Fulirene u ****
Disagree FRA

 

[Furina003]

yeah makes sense to me, and I agree with the downgrade

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Dont ever slander my goat that scales 1000x above Fulirene u ****
Disagree FRA

"Disagree FRA" kek
There is absolutely no one who disagreed with this thread above your post.

Anyway, agree with the removal.

 

[Arkenis]

Can I get this type of movement for my crt? What rituals are ya doing lmao

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can I get this type of movement for my crt? What rituals are ya doing lmao

DS crts Vs JJK crts be like

 

[PedjaTarzan]

"Disagree FRA" kek
There is absolutely no one who disagreed with this thread above your post.

Anyway, agree with the removal.

3 hours or sleep bro..but it was meant as a joke anyway idc abt thread rn

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Probably the worst one out of the rest. There was literally a portal present. There was a goddamn portal lmao Well, the portal did lead to a dimension that allowed them to travel back through time, but that is a property of the realm, not the character's sheer speed itself.

Well for starters, the portal doesn't automatically disqualify the feat. Especially since they still fly an actual distance and only after doing so do they then end up going forward & backward in time. It's the same exact concept of Pokemon S&M with the ultra wormholes, there is an actual distance and they actually travel it, hence they get a speed rating.

This one is at least debatable. A part of the description says that the past and present takes tangible forms but that can mean anything and even be interpreted as flowery language, not ncessarily that time is treated as a spatial dimension. Another description says it reaches beyond the confines of a space-time continuum without mentioning higher-dimensions and breaking free of confines of the timeline whatsoever, which could be immeasurable speed but I'll let the mods decide on this. I propose that The Hetero Tower should has its speed rating changed to possibly Immeasurable with its description altered a bit.

Was gonna change this to nigh-omnipresent anyways, it's more fitting. Though it's immeasurable rating is not really debatable.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

As a result of a newly accepted calc the speeds should be downgraded to FTL, am fine with everything else. The Tower should be changed from Immeasurable to Nigh-Omnipresent ideally.

 

[Unqver]

Well for starters, the portal doesn't automatically disqualify the feat. Especially since they still fly an actual distance and only after doing so do they then end up going forward & backward in time. It's the same exact concept of Pokemon S&M with the ultra wormholes, there is an actual distance and they actually travel it, hence they get a speed rating.

Still not immeasurable since they didn't fly back in time themselves with their own sheer speed.

Was gonna change this to nigh-omnipresent anyways, it's more fitting. Though it's immeasurable rating is not really debatable.

Fair

As a result of a newly accepted calc the speeds should be downgraded to FTL, am fine with everything else. The Tower should be changed from Immeasurable to Nigh-Omnipresent ideally.

Was the FTL calc done through a CRT? If so then FTL it is.

 

[Elizhaa]

The proposals look fine.

 

[Thunderman101]

Agree

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Was the FTL calc done through a CRT? If so then FTL it is.

No, but I was told I didn't have to and provided the proof to the two CGM's. Also this can be closed now.