I'm sorry to have bothered you so.
Go play the game, that's observable just by looking at their rooms. There was a statement about it, I'll look for it when my argument needs it.
I'll assume you mean the lack of trophies on Kris's shelves, unlike Asriel's? Or the bookshelf outside where the narrative asks who has time to read?
You think it's headcanon that Kris watched his parents drive while they were driving?
It could have not happened, but whether you think it's 13, 14, 15 or 16 years, I would think it would have happened at least a few times.
Gears, knowing how to break, hand brake.
Knowing how to steer is not as easy as you think.
Dodging cars? Oh no, anyone can do that, right? You don't need any experience in driving to do such thing, right?
"Dare I ask", do you know how to drive?
Since you asked, no. I chose not to learn how to drive. A car would be a big investment for me, for one.
But I also assumed Deltarune would use a simplified driving system because we don't see the inside of the car & fiction does often simplify driving.
You don't say? So we can assume ANY skills Kris demonstrates are purely the player's, and we can NEVER associate anything Kris does to their own character unless they literally rip their SOUL off. Are we going to do that, my guy?
Of course I don't think Kris's skills are all the players. I'd appreciate you not misrepresent me or exaggerate my arguments.
Or are we going to just go by the interpretation that Toby would NOT put a 14yo in a car if he didn't imply his character were able to do such thing?
You can pick and choose.
OF COURSE I believe Kris is able to drive! But I don't believe that's a 100% indicator of his age, when there are other possible explanations.
You just repeated yourself.
My mistake. Apologies for that as well. Stressful debate. I MEANT to say:
"Either way, you don't need to 16 to learn how to drive, just to take the test to get a license."
Sorry for screwing up writing that twice.
Oh please, Kris never had a proper friend before we took control.
Do you call Noelle not a friend of Kris's?
& though I would hesitate to call them friends, several NPCs are friendly to Kris.
This is a very bold assumption that has no weight or evidence behind it.
I agree, it might be implausible that Kris's parents might be willing to show him how they drive, or that his school might have a programs encouraging students to learn how to drive before they're old enough to get a license, as some places have done in the real world.
Funny thinking how you used this argument when you believe none of Kris' actions can be associated with their character.
Please do not misrepresent me. I do not think none of Kris's actions can be associated with their character.
Any. It'd be illegal to teach a CHILD through practice.
You said: "False equivalency, that is a secret route. And I was talking about learning how to drive through practice in the light world."
I said: "At what driver's academy? In what course?"
Of course it'd be illegal to let a child drive (Other than the adult staying at the driver's seat & pointing out "Okay, here's the stick shift", etc., as you might do with a child.), but I was pointing out there's nowhere that Kris COULD have learned to drive & you're arguing against means of him learning to drive OTHER THAN HIS AGE, so how would he know how to drive?!
Which indicates they know how to drive. They have no reason to learn through study, it'd be through practice, which would be illegal on Light World
So you admit the only driving Kris has done in the Dark World? & what do you mean? You're saying Kris has no reason to learn how to drive through study, but denying there were means of them learning? & your basis for them knowing how is their age when there's no driver's academy?
You're not giving ANY compeling arguments for Kris to know it before they have the need to. You're literally just saying stuff, you're not actually giving me points on that thought to argue, this is non-sense.
You haven't given any arguments for how they WOULD know how to drive a proper car other than their age, & you're saying they're that age BECAUSE they know how to drive!
Kris is likely 16yo because they know how to drive, is going to college soon, and is the same age as Catti, who has a JOB.
"Someday soon you will be going off to university as well..."
Someday soon, & the only time we see them drive is in the Dark World, which is unlike the Light World in a bunch of ways. Heck the Queen's car isn't a normal car because it explodes.
& she doesn't seem that responsible because she tells him to swerve for a banana on the road. Plus, they're already driving when all the lanes are full of other cars.
I don't think the Queen cares that much about driver's safety, let alone driving laws, especially if she has a teenager take over for herself/her Swatch. & how would she even KNOW Kris has a license or such.
That page has no sources, just: "Many people want to start learning to drive as soon as they turn 17 years old"
Now give me one reason why Kris learned it early. One character motivation, one IMPLICATION for that interpretation.
Stop pushing your headcanon as a fact.
You have been asserting Kris is 16 (Or 17, as of recently.) because they know how to drive.
But we've had no other indication other than their ability to do so that they actually learned, & being younger than 16 or 17 & being able to drive is not unheard of. (Not to mention, we don't know of any place they WOULD have learned to drive.
Heck, some places have the legal driving age below 16.)
Oh yeah, that's so in-character... Oh wait, it's not.
So you think there's 0 chance Kris would've figured out how to drive on their own?
"Soon" isn't. Why are you pretending SOON, S-O-O-N isn't present in the line, dude?
My apologies for omitting "soon". But "Someday soon" doesn't sound that much closer. Heck, the context is Kris asking about "Me" to Toriel after Toriel has Susie staying over with Kris & on the same day she's happy he's spending time with a friend. & the line comes after:
"Kris, honey, you have grown up so much... Someday soon you will be going off to university as well."
We literally see them driving in Chapter 2.
What I said was "That's equally as valid as "Like she'd let someone who just got their license drive."; Neither supports him being able to drive."
I meant that neither supports Kris having a driver's license, because Toriel isn't going to let Kris drive either way because:
A. He just got his driver's license recently.
Or B. He doesn't have one at all, & that's why she drives him to & from school & why she asks if he wants to be picked up from school.
Yeah, because Kris will just materialize a car and drive themselves, right?
Oh no, maybe Toriel will drive to school, give Kris her car, and walk home by herself.
What I said was:
"But her OFFERING to drive him home from school? & always driving him to it?
& Kris is a shut-in. When would he go & take a driver's license?"
You know I did not mean/mention Kris getting/buying/conjuring a car. (& though buying one is a possibility, it's an unlikely one, given they haven't paid their library fees either.)
because x-y-z isn't a valid argument if you don't provide reasoning for it. She wouldn't trust an adolescent to drive her car, and she has no reason to let them drive in the first place. That's all there is to it.
About this, I agree. Kris probably is 16, based on the typical age ranges for high schoolers.
Oh yeah, you need to be smart to drive a car.
You said:
Because Kris is not smart in academics or anything like that. He would NOT study or learn how to drive unless he had to.
Thus implying that you need to be smart or study to be able to drive. & he wouldn't know he was going to need to drive in the Dark World.
& that was for you arguing against me saying:
Who says he can't just intuit the process?
So Kris can drive because he's 16, he didn't study it, he didn't learn it, he isn't smart, & he didn't intuit driving.
So how does he know how to drive?
I'm going to assume you never took a driver's license test in your life.
You assume correctly.
It was an example. Kris doesn't NEED to drive to school, Toriel just does this for comfort, or as you pointed out, because they oversleep. Which wouldn't be condition to drive themselves, would it?
You said:
or that she simply does so for his comfort. Plus, if we're questioning that, Kris can just god damn walk to school.
& you proposed that as a reason against this:
That suggests he DOESN'T drive.
So. like you said, oversleeping isn't a condition to drive themselves, & Toriel drives them for their comfort. (Or because they're not old enough, or don't know, or don't have a license.)
So you tell me why & how Kris learned to drive. Age means nothing without a way to learn it!
... And? This has nothing to do with the conversation. Kris does NOT have a car, therefore their mom has to pick them up.
I said that because you said:
... The frick? This just implies Kris doesn't have a car, lmao.
Which I said because of:
Plus, one of her phone calls is her asking if he wants to be picked up, implying Kris has done this recently before, which also implies he can't drive.
After all, if he could drive, wouldn't he drive himself? & so, it'd be an unlikely reason for her to guess why Kris is calling.
What the ****? They're CLASSMATES. You're ASSUMING she is older than the rest of her class, and Kris specifically
Different students can have different birthdays.
Queen knows everyone's info, search results, and likeness. She would NOT let Kris drive if they weren't capable to. Stop.
Kris's skills at driving likely aren't online, especially if they don't have a license, which YOU argued they wouldn't study for!
& Queen is not a responsible car owner, even if you assume Kris has a license or is 16; She drives on a road with cars going the other way in every lane, tells Kris to effectively change lanes for a banana & uses a car she was confident she was going to explode.
I don't think we can assume she CARES much about how capable a driver they are.
