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Spider-Man No Way Home Revision: AP, Speed, and everything we didn't cover before (SPOILERS)
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Everything in the op makes perfect sense to me.
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Seems good.
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Isn't that kinda the same as saying since something happens in a prequel, it doesn't count because the original wasn't made in mind with it? You can't just ignore what happens in the movie, and it's the same characters as in the other series.
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The Electro calcs have yet to be approved by calc group members, but I'm still of the belief that none of the Spideys should scale to the full yield even as a downscale save for the lightning bolts Electro shoots out of his hands, which are typical standard 1.6 gigajoule-yield bolts. Only Sandman as of now should visibly scale.
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about that raimi spiderman movie comic, are we sure that's canon?
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The Black is canon, yeah. It takes place immediately after Eddie receives the Symbiote and doesn't contradict anything. It even explains how he knew to find MJ and Flint Marko
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Looks like somebody did half an hour ago, so... We're good to go in that regard!
I think Qawsed brought up a good idea that we could scale the Spider-Men to the median or mean. I think the median could work pretty well to neither scale them too low or too high.
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Nice thinking, man. Looks like Raimi Spidey's profile is gonna have a healthy gallery section after all
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Welp, I guess I commented too late. I tagged Spino and DemonGod as well since DemonGod evaluated the original calc that is currently on Electro's profile, and Spino said he was gonna assist with Webbverse plus he's on both these threads.
Eh, I'm still not convinced, there is still the Unibeam tanking that Tom goes through twice in a row that might prolly play a factor against it, and we might not be able to dissuade people from scaling IM to Loki due to the whole Sokovia situation where it was ultimately decided that my 50+ ton of TNT recalc for IM's dura from that stuff was good to go.
I'm much more comfortable with them scaling to the traditional lightning bolts that Electro shoots out and the Pumpkin Bombs that pretty much everyone and their mother has tanked at this point.
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I think the 8-C+ and low end High 8-C values should be at least noted as possibilities since they're not that far off
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Like, the slightly higher than 2 ton values
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No higher than that, like High 8-C+ because that's way less consistent
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My proposition which starts with scaling from TASM Spider-Man is
At least Building level, likely Building level+, possibly Large Building level (Can take attacks from Electro, whose lightning bolts vary from these levels of voltage)
At least Building level, likely Building level+, possibly Large Building level (Can take attacks from Electro, whose lightning bolts vary from these levels of voltage)
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Big yikes on having those many values. Better to stick to one consistent value for the Base Spider-Men
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Now you just gotta wait for Qawsedf to make the mean values again.
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While I love my Spider-Men, I don't think that'll work. It's kinda just slapping on several ratings on a lack of knowledge.
I'm more so thinking on how well the Spider-Men have tanked the Pumpkin Bombs, which is what I think we should look at tbh. Tobey was already beaten on for a while, took one to the face, survived an extra beatdown for like 3 minutes, and then just overpowered the Goblin afterwards the moment he stopped restraining himself. Tom in particularly just seemed to eat it so casually despite the bomb basically hugging his chest. Depending on how close to 8-C+ they are (I haven't checked in a while), it could be consistent to label them as 8-C+. But I think High 8-C is bordering on outlier territory imo.
Though that's just me throwing an idea out there. I'm neutral either way on what we end up scaling them to.
I'm more so thinking on how well the Spider-Men have tanked the Pumpkin Bombs, which is what I think we should look at tbh. Tobey was already beaten on for a while, took one to the face, survived an extra beatdown for like 3 minutes, and then just overpowered the Goblin afterwards the moment he stopped restraining himself. Tom in particularly just seemed to eat it so casually despite the bomb basically hugging his chest. Depending on how close to 8-C+ they are (I haven't checked in a while), it could be consistent to label them as 8-C+. But I think High 8-C is bordering on outlier territory imo.
Though that's just me throwing an idea out there. I'm neutral either way on what we end up scaling them to.
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8-C+ is pretty consistent with Raimi Peter and MCU Peter taking Pumpkin Bombs at point blank range after already having taken severe beatings
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Not only that Tom took the bomb pretty close to the chest after being suplexed into floors by Goblin several times breaking his ribs in the process. AKA Tom had his ribs broken and then took another big-ass explosion right where he had broken bones, and he only got temporarily knocked out before getting up quickly and then getting shot in the shoulder right after Aunt May dies.
At the very least they'd scale above the Goblin bombs and Electro's casual lightning bolts.
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I'm kinda biased, so I don't want for the High 8-C values to go ignored, but I'm neutral enough to be fine with them being deemed outliers.
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I mean, even after that, we'd just stick to one chosen value ultimately
Yeah, I can see the case for 8-C+ being made, but High 8-C wouldn't sit right with how the feats are looking
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They'd be outliers only for the Spideys, Electro and Sandman are fine to scale to each other.
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I meant biased toward the Spider-Men.
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Oh, I thought you were talking as if we were ignoring the High 8-C values as a whole, my apologies.
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bruh you only noticed now? Thanks a lot tho
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Would the Far From Home carousel destruction feat be useful to calc? If that can get tier 8 results, I think it could help in finding a consistent rating to go with.
Alternatively, we could consider the idea of a "At least 8-C" rating for the Spider-Men
Alternatively, we could consider the idea of a "At least 8-C" rating for the Spider-Men
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I disagree with your idea at the end there, but the first part with that feat could be useful for Mysterio at the very least
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Would double as a LS feat for Base Peter to boot, wouldn't it? Would probably be Class M by my guess, but I'm not sure if we're considering that an outlier or not.
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I'm still adamant about someone wanting to calc the Santa Maria Formosa feat. That's singlehandedly one of Pete's best LS feats we've seen, he webbed up the building to prevent it from crumbling and then used two webs as ropes to help himself get a grip on the building and then he pushed against it to get it back up.
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First we'll need a mass value for the tower first, I'm thinking high-end Class K to baseline-ish Class M. But we'll need some official documents regarding its size. And Peter prolly only lifted the upper half of it so that might neuter the LS a bit but it'd be a decent upgrade over Iron Man's Class 50, Pete also said he could stop a bus with his bare hands.
And of course, anyone who can tear through Peter's webs like paper would scale.
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Also I noticed that our TASM Peter page quote comes directly from the TASM2 trailer so we could honestly just switch that out with the NWH quote altogether IMO unless somebody has a better Pre-NWH quote to put on the page along with that
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Late, but I feel like Andrew's spiderman and Tobey's spiderman should have a separate NWH key, just due to the fact that their spiderman movies weren't made with having no way home in mind, and due to the fact the NWH versions of Andrew and Tobey are an ambiguous amount of time AFTER all of their respective movies.
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