Spider-Man No Way Home Revision: AP, Speed, and everything we didn't cover before (SPOILERS)

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The whole Agents of SHIELD canonicity is kinda confusing, an entirely new CRT would probably be needed to discuss that as it doesn't only affect Captain America.

But my impression had always been post-Infinity War starting to be non-canon only, although tbf some recent statements by MCU creators have been confusing.

 

[Lonkitt]

I believe there's some stuff from AOS that mentions Hulk too, Ghost Rider's profile is a good example of that

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

There was lag on my screen and I have a blindfold on, also I went to bed very late

Doesn't Hive's existence cause an inconsistency or too? As well as the ending of Hawkeye?
Actually, disregarding that, what exactly qualifies was "Post-Infinity War" here?

Anything past late May 2018, according to the MCU wiki's timeline page

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Which makes sense, because events past that date in the shows don't deal with the snap, not even in the background

 

[sanicspood]

so i uh, made a thing

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

so i uh, made a thing

Assuming there's no problems with the calc

Inb4 outlier

 

[Lonkitt]

so i uh, made a thing

The rocket calc has been done by KLOL, though I wouldn't be able to comment on how yours compares to his. I've only ever done one calc and its really simple math I learned back in high school

 

[sanicspood]

The rocket calc has been done by KLOL

ik i put my version cuz why not

 

[Lonkitt]

Ah, I see

 

[sanicspood]

and then theres the wall feat that no one has done yet kek

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

so i uh, made a thing

where is the mass of the wall from?

 

[KLOL506]

where is the mass of the wall from?

Yeah, I see no mass value.

 

[KLOL506]

The rocket calc has been done by KLOL, though I wouldn't be able to comment on how yours compares to his. I've only ever done one calc and its really simple math I learned back in high school

We don't do explosion calcs via their height, but via their radius AKA horizontal distance.

 

[GroundX1]

então eu uh, fiz uma coisa

Damn, imagine Spider Tobey City-Block+

 

[M3X_2.0]

We don't do explosion calcs via their height, but via their radius AKA horizontal distance.

It really depends tho, not always the horizontal distance

 

[Lonkitt]

We don't do explosion calcs via their height, but via their radius AKA horizontal distance.

Makes sense

 

[NikHelton]

the feat where he lifts the wall that's being pulled by ottos machine? if so i do have a calc for that

Yes, this

 

[sanicspood]

where is the mass of the wall from?

Yeah, I see no mass value.

That's not the mass of the wall, that's the weight of the gravitational force pushing down on it based on how much mass is pulled in by the gravity well from further distances

 

[KLOL506]

That's not the mass of the wall, that's the weight of the gravitational force pushing down on it based on how much mass is pulled in by the gravity well from further distances

So uh, where'd you get the weight of the gravitational force from?

 

[sanicspood]

Yes, this

city block+ raimi spiderman calcs LMFAOAOO

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[sanicspood]

So uh, where'd you get the weight of the gravitational force from?

From the statement implying it was pulling in everything in the city that wasn't "nailed down" pretty much. And we directly see it pull down things as big as vehicles.

 

[KLOL506]

city block+ raimi spiderman calcs LMFAOAOO

vsbattles.fandom.com

Eh, it's not as if the full force was being applied on all the objects individually tho, I'd still be safer taking the mass of the wall and its PE if possible.

 

[sanicspood]

Eh, it's not as if the full force was being applied on all the objects individually tho

That's not really what I'm saying, I'm saying since the objects are much further away that the gravity well is pulling them in with far less force than it is that wall

 

[KLOL506]

That's not really what I'm saying, I'm saying since the objects are much further away that the gravity well is pulling them in with far less force than it is that wall

Ah. I see.

Well, how'd you get the weight value anyway? May I know of the formula? Does it involve the sun's gravitational pull or something being multiplied and whatnot?

 

[sanicspood]

Ah. I see.

Well, how'd you get the weight value anyway? May I know of the formula? Does it involve the sun's gravitational pull or something being multiplied and whatnot?

By adding the weight up of everything that was being pulled that was further away in the same direction. nothing to do with the sun lol

 

[KLOL506]

By adding the weight up of everything that was being pulled that was further away in the same direction. nothing to do with the sun lol

Christ how many things did you add up and what things are those

 

[sanicspood]

Christ how many things did you add up and what things are those

like cars and fire hydrants and shit

 

[Dinobot1996]

As a note, it would be seasons 6-7 of Agents of SHIELD that would be considered "post Infinity War", as Season 5, while having some overlap with Infinity War's events (such as a reference to Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian's attack on New York City late in the season), ends shortly before the Snap would have occurred.

But yeah, exploring that more in-depth would definitely require its own CRT, ideally with the involvement of people more knowledgeable on AOS than myself.

 

[KLOL506]

like cars and fire hydrants and shit

And you just so happened to have forgotten the half of the NY Metropolitan area

 

[sanicspood]

And you just so happened to have forgotten the half of the NY Metropolitan area

it probably was as well, this is a pretty old calc

 

[Dinobot1996]

This interview with the writers seems to indicate that Raimi Trilogy Spider-Man is 43 during NWH. (Note that this isn't Tobey Maguire's age, which is 46) Either the Raimi Trilogy takes place a few years earlier than their release date, or Raimi Trilogy Spider-Man was somehow pulled into the MCU's 2024 from his own verse's 2027.

MCKENNA: We were like, “We’ve got to make them each very specific.” As writers, we kept saying, “Where are these characters in their lives when they come into the movie?” Where is Tobey? We’re not de-agifying him. He’s a guy who is 43, who is entering this movie, and Andrew Garfield, where are they in their lives? The last time you saw Andrew Garfield, it was the death of Gwen, and that must have sent him down a dark spiral, maybe he never got out of. We don’t know, because there wasn’t a third movie that we saw. Where did he go? Maybe a really dark place. We wanted to be true to the characters in those movies. Really having conversations about specifying where they are, without giving away too much. Not coming in, spilling all the beans. “Tobey’s Peter is running Peter Parker Industries!” You just wanted to have little hints of that without it being all this exposition as fan service.

 

[Lonkitt]

This makes sense given Otto says "You're all grown up..."

 

[Malomtek]

I fully support whatever revisions pass, whichever they may be.

 

[Lonkitt]

I fully support whatever revisions pass, whichever they may be.

They have, we're just kinda on the tail end of discussing the next thread. Thanks for the support regardless

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

And you just so happened to have forgotten the half of the NY Metropolitan area

He didn’t make the calc.

 

[Lonkitt]

I recommend moving the rest of the conversation to the No Way Home Discussion. There we can discuss what to go over for Part 2 rather than add to this finished thread

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah don't know what the hell is going on with the first calc. Better specify your steps for determine the mass and explain what KE are you calculating.

The second calc could work, there's multiple versions of that calc (the current one we use says High 8-C) that would have to be compared, but don't think it would scale directly to anyone anyway?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yeah don't know what the hell is going on with the first calc. Better specify your steps for determine the mass and explain what KE are you calculating.

The second calc could work, there's multiple versions of that calc (the current one we use says High 8-C) that would have to be compared, but don't think it would scale directly to anyone anyway?

And if it did somehow scale it would be an outlier. As far as I'm aware

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

This interview with the writers seems to indicate that Raimi Trilogy Spider-Man is 43 during NWH. (Note that this isn't Tobey Maguire's age, which is 46) Either the Raimi Trilogy takes place a few years earlier than their release date, or Raimi Trilogy Spider-Man was somehow pulled into the MCU's 2024 from his own verse's 2027.

MCKENNA: We were like, “We’ve got to make them each very specific.” As writers, we kept saying, “Where are these characters in their lives when they come into the movie?” Where is Tobey? We’re not de-agifying him. He’s a guy who is 43, who is entering this movie, and Andrew Garfield, where are they in their lives? The last time you saw Andrew Garfield, it was the death of Gwen, and that must have sent him down a dark spiral, maybe he never got out of. We don’t know, because there wasn’t a third movie that we saw. Where did he go? Maybe a really dark place. We wanted to be true to the characters in those movies. Really having conversations about specifying where they are, without giving away too much. Not coming in, spilling all the beans. “Tobey’s Peter is running Peter Parker Industries!” You just wanted to have little hints of that without it being all this exposition as fan service.

Hmmn, Tobey was playing far younger than his age back then though so if we assume the first Spider-Man movie took place in 2002 he'd be 39 only.

 

[KLOL506]

The second calc could work, there's multiple versions of that calc (the current one we use says High 8-C) that would have to be compared, but don't think it would scale directly to anyone anyway?

Yeah, second feat is High 8-C, and no one scales to it, only gets used like, 3 times, the last time it was used, it only happened once against Giant Sandman but he was weakened already by then by the Glider's flames so it makes no sense for him to scale to anyway.