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Spider-Man No Way Home Revision: AP, Speed, and everything we didn't cover before (SPOILERS)

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Zamasu_Chan said:
Norman should be “at least 8-C” if you ask me. I get the idea of Tom holding back but, in context, that makes no sense to me. If May was in obvious danger at the time, and if Tom saw Norman tanking his punches, why would he still feel the need to hold back?

Also, three things to note:

Norman broke Tom’s ribs during their first fight.

For their final fight Tom was wailing on him with a bunch of punches, he never drew blood from Norman’s face or even left a bruise.

In SM1 Norman was regularly above Tobey.

Obviously Tom can still harm him, but Norman is clearly much stronger and more durable.
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Zamasu_Chan said:
Norman should be “at least 8-C” if you ask me. I get the idea of Tom holding back but, in context, that makes no sense to me. If May was in obvious danger at the time, and if Tom saw Norman tanking his punches, why would he still feel the need to hold back?

Also, three things to note:

Norman broke Tom’s ribs during their first fight.

For their final fight Tom was wailing on him with a bunch of punches, he never drew blood from Norman’s face or even left a bruise.

In SM1 Norman was regularly above Tobey.

Obviously Tom can still harm him, but Norman is clearly much stronger and more durable.
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A) Like I said in the OP, MCU Peter was literally mocked by Norman for not going all out and he turned Goblin to pulp in their final battle. Yes, May was in danger, but Peter in that fight still truly wished to help Norman live a normal. People continuously misinterpret the apartment fight. As for the final fight, Norman literally verbalized his excitement in fighting a serious Peter and looks surprised when he manages to get tagged, showing that MCU Peter really was holding back the first time

B) Raimi Peter was weakened in that last fight before regaining his strength and defeating Goblin. Literally we can see Norman visibly struggle when he tries to go for the trident kill. If he has to say “Peter, stop!” and rely on personal manipulation to try and pull off a win, that doesn’t tell us Goblin is stronger. Peter even defeated Goblin during their burning building battle.

Overall, Goblin doesn’t upscale the Peters. This thread has concluded anyhow on the statistics
 
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Zamasu_Chan said:
Norman should be “at least 8-C” if you ask me. I get the idea of Tom holding back but, in context, that makes no sense to me. If May was in obvious danger at the time, and if Tom saw Norman tanking his punches, why would he still feel the need to hold back?
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I understand that, but it gets a little weird, as pumpkin bombs are 8-C, and while they can withstand them, it isn't like they are nothing to them. But the main problem is with Tobey, as unless he is just WAY above Harry, he wouldn't be that high, since he was stronger then Norman throughout the first movie.
 
Norman really just happened to be very skilled and he utilized that incredibly well with his weaponry and powers
 
With LS I assume it won't scale to Tom's Spidey? I don't think they displayed feats on his level, but do the villains become as strong as him once they enter the MCU or do we have different calcs for it?
 
Akidwholiketopowerscale said:
LS wise i guess, since he could break out of Venoms webbing which should be comparable to his own
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Well most of the time he uses his webs as a rope, so their actual LS would be derived from feats where Tobey just leaves them attached to things other than himself.

Otherwise, Tobey lifting shit up with his webs would be akin to a normal human lifting up heavy objects with a rope. Same with Tom holding back the Santa Maria Formosa from collapsing.
 
Well, I'll need the profiles unlocked to carry out the fixes and add the renders. And the quotes.
 
This is a really small edit, but it should say "an armoured van" and not "a armoured van" on TASM Spidey's profile
 
Lonkitt said:
I feel bad because I tweaked it out earlier, but then something happened during the editing process and I started off forgetting about that. I suppose we will have to wait unless its briefly opened again
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It's not your fault we had a lot of ground to cover with this CRT, it was only a minor thing anyway it just needs to be corrected :)
Hopefully they'll allow KLOL56 to just open the page again?
 
Lonkitt said:
This is a really small edit, but it should say "an armoured van" and not "a armoured van" on TASM Spidey's profile
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Ah shit, this is what happens when you work only on nightmare fuel
 
I think it should be noted that the LS of other Peter Parkers should scale up to Holland at least because Toby calmly suppressed all of Tom's strength when he wanted to kill the Goblin.
 
NikHelton said:
I think it should be noted that the LS of other Peter Parkers should scale up to Holland at least because Toby calmly suppressed all of Tom's strength when he wanted to kill the Goblin.
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At best, Raimi Peter slightly upscales MCU Peter, but TASM Peter isn't the same case. Its not enough to say Raimi Peter is "At least [MCU PETER'S LS]" though, that'll be reserved for guys like Otto and Venom
 
Why not? We were clearly shown that Toby is not inferior in physical strength and is able to withstand pressure.
 
Lonkitt said:
At best, Raimi Peter slightly upscales MCU Peter, but TASM Peter isn't the same case. Its not enough to say Raimi Peter is "At least [MCU PETER'S LS]" though, that'll be reserved for guys like Otto and Venom
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MCU LSes are getting downgraded as is, no? That'd likely **** up the LS scaling even further.

Well, the tower thingy might wield decent upgrades. We still haven't calc'd Tobey's wall feat in SM2.

Also Lizard did temporarily hold on to and resist Tobey's kicks so maybe work around that? Nah, Connors overpowered Andrew in the LS department every time.
 
Oh yeah, MCU LS is getting downgraded because Agents of SHIELD isn't canon anymore. We know Class 25 is a value that works given some feats across the three universes

Santa Monica and the wall feat from SM2 are good starts for sure. I d recall there's more that we just need to bring up
 
If someone calculates the feat with a wall in SM2, then it is worth considering the fact that Peter was able to throw this wall, which gives an even greater result.
Well, it might be worth trying to calculate the KE of this.
 
NikHelton said:
If someone calculates the feat with a wall in SM2, then it is worth considering the fact that Peter was able to throw this wall, which gives an even greater result.
Well, it might be worth trying to calculate the KE of this.
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the feat where he lifts the wall that's being pulled by ottos machine? if so i do have a calc for that
 
Lonkitt said:
Oh yeah, MCU LS is getting downgraded because Agents of SHIELD isn't canon anymore. We know Class 25 is a value that works given some feats across the three universes
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Apparently the Wakanda files says that only the post-Infinity War stuff is non-canon, as it shows a report from Agent Coulson after the Chitauri invasion.

Lonkitt said:
Santa Monica
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Santa Maria Formosa my friend
 
M3X said:
LS is not a problem. All Spidermen and their villains have good LS feats
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There's also Lizard tearing through a metal door and not just punching through it, he tears through it like paper.
 
KLOL506 said:
Santa Maria Formosa my friend
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There was lag on my screen and I have a blindfold on, also I went to bed very late
KLOL506 said:
Apparently the Wakanda files says that only the post-Infinity War stuff is non-canon, as it shows a report from Agent Coulson after the Chitauri invasion.
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Doesn't Hive's existence cause an inconsistency or two? As well as the ending of Hawkeye?
Actually, disregarding that, what exactly qualifies as "Post-Infinity War" here?
 
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Lonkitt said:
Doesn't Hive's existence cause an inconsistency or too? As well as the ending of Hawkeye?
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Couldn't say, haven't watched Agents of Shield in a long-ass time.

Lonkitt said:
Actually, disregarding that, what exactly qualifies was "Post-Infinity War" here?
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Anything starting from the Snap and the 5 years after, right before Endgame starts.
 
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