Spider-Man No Way Home Revision: AP, Speed, and everything we didn't cover before (SPOILERS)

[KLOL506]

BTW, the "survived Electro screaming in his face" part should be removed from Spider-Man's durability justification as Spidey was grounded back then and had the suit protected by insulation which would nerf the electricity's value mostly by being grounded, but the insulation protection apparently doesn't work when Spidey gets hit mid-air in the second fight during the Itsy-Bitsy Spider scene. You're better off using other shots of Electro blasting Spidey into the air in their first fight where Spider-Man had no protection against Electro's stuff (Spidey was on the ground initially but the bolt kept pumping into him even when he was in mid-air, right before the water pump hit Max) or the mid-air hitting scene in their final fight (Or the torture scene works), no reason hooded Electro would be weaker than his suited form, since we got the values from his imprisoned self where Kafka was torturing Max and experimenting on him.

 

[Lonkitt]

Hey is it okay if I started making matches for characters that already have their changes added like Electro?

I’d say go for it….but then I feel like a ton of comments would be “why is Spider-Man still 9-B?” And so on despite the villains being used

 

[KLOL506]

Also did anyone seriously not bother Electro cratering Spidey into the ground before they tried calc'ing his electricity values the first time around?

 

[KLOL506]

I’d say go for it….but then I feel like a ton of comments would be “why is Spider-Man still 9-B?” And so on

I'd recommend doing the matches after the CRT is done.

Also we should start looking at some upgrades for Electro's LS.

 

[Lonkitt]

I kinda thought about the crater too, but I’m unsure how high they could get myself

 

[Baken384]

I’d say go for it….but then I feel like a ton of comments would be “why is Spider-Man still 9-B?” And so on despite the villains being used

i already made my electro vs jotaro match up :troll:

 

[Lonkitt]

I'd recommend doing the matches after the CRT is done.

Also we should start looking at some upgrades for Electro's LS.

Just need those four pages unlocked and we’re golden

 

[Lonkitt]

Actually, what staff members can we contact to open pages?

 

[KLOL506]

Actually, what staff members can we contact to open pages?

Qawsedf helped us out during the Raimi revisions, we can try contacting him again.

 

[KLOL506]

Also Electro should just be MHS+ through and through since he can basically storm-ride and transform into actual natural lightning.

 

[Lacku]

Be thankful that your Electro calc was a low-ball LEL

Sad thing is I wasn't even trying to lowball LMAO

 

[KLOL506]

Sad thing is I wasn't even trying to lowball LMAO

Bruh

There was a perfectly valid crater created by Electro slamming Spidey into the ground and the cars and you didn't even bother going for those and the billboards he smacked? XD

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Also did anyone seriously not bother Electro cratering Spidey into the ground before they tried calc'ing his electricity values the first time around?

I assume you're talking about this scene?

 

[KLOL506]

I assume you're talking about this scene?

yeah, and ah, it was Spidey doing the cratering. Not bad.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Just link the thing that needs to be unlocked.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Just link the thing that needs to be unlocked.

MCU Spider-Man, Raimi Spider-Man, TASM Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange

 

[Bernkastelll]

The Hate regarding TASM it's so obvious that nobody even bothered to fix their ratings for several years until it was important to the others spider-men scaling and MCU as a whole, it breaks my heart, as TASM franchise is my favorite spider man live action franchise lmao

 

[Lonkitt]

@Bernkastelll When you contextualize it like that, yeah its really sad

 

[Baken384]

At least Electro's ap does not feel like its worth .23 electon volts anymore

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

To put into perspective how overlooked TASM is, you'd figure way more than a few people would look at Electro's feats and think "that is not ******* wall level"

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The Hate regarding TASM it's so obvious that nobody even bothered to fix their ratings for several years until it was important to the others spider-men scaling and MCU as a whole, it breaks my heart, as TASM franchise is my favorite spider man live action franchise lmao

Shocking, isn't it?

 

[Bernkastelll]

To put into perspective how overlooked TASM is, you'd figure way more than a few people would look at Electro's feats and think "that is not ******* wall level"

yeah, it was kinda obvious

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

MCU Spider-Man, Raimi Spider-Man, TASM Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange

@Qawsedf234

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Btw Electro made a giant electric shockwave during his first fight with Spider-man. Is there any way to calc that?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Electro should have Sound Manipulation


5:19

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Electro should have Sound Manipulation


5:19

Best non combat applicable ability I've seen

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Best non combat applicable ability I've seen

I could see Electro rick rolling his opponents during battle with his sound manip lmao.

 

[KLOL506]

Electro should have Sound Manipulation


5:19

Wasn't that already added to the to-do list?

 

[KLOL506]

Btw Electro made a giant electric shockwave during his first fight with Spider-man. Is there any way to calc that?

Not sure, pixel-scaling would be pretty tough tho.

But I'm willing to bet the billboard stuff to be 9-A or some shit.

 

[KLOL506]

To put into perspective how overlooked TASM is, you'd figure way more than a few people would look at Electro's feats and think "that is not ******* wall level"

Even I thought it was pretty sus that they just got downgraded to Wall level without any solid calc other than just the electricity stuff.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Just to clarify, which characters will the MHS+ speed be applied to? I would think it should be applied to basically everyone of note, but this part in the OP is throwing me off:

It's quite consistent and helps with the lower tier MCU scaling in general (not for 9-Bs though)

This would confuse me a bit if it also applies to speed, considering 9-B peak humans are pretty consistently shown to be able to keep up with 8-C characters in terms of combat speed and reactions, with the likes of Hawkeye, Okoye, Sharon Carter, pre-serum U.S. Agent, and even unarmored Tony Stark having such examples mentioned in their speed justifications.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Not sure, pixel-scaling would be pretty tough tho.

But I'm willing to bet the billboard stuff to be 9-A or some shit.

i was thinking about the electric wave itself and not the destruction it caused

 

[Lonkitt]

It's quite consistent and helps with the lower tier MCU scaling in general (not for 9-Bs though)

This would confuse me a bit if it also applies to speed, considering 9-B peak humans are pretty consistently shown to be able to keep up with 8-C characters in terms of combat speed and reactions, with the likes of Hawkeye, Okoye, Sharon Carter, pre-serum U.S. Agent, and even unarmored Tony Stark having such examples mentioned in their speed justifications.

Ohhhh my bad. I was referring to lower tier AP scaling in regards to helping with ratings, excluding 9-Bs. MHS+ should scale to most of them

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The Hate regarding TASM it's so obvious that nobody even bothered to fix their ratings for several years until it was important to the others spider-men scaling and MCU as a whole, it breaks my heart, as TASM franchise is my favorite spider man live action franchise lmao

TBF, I did have plans to revise TASM but after NWH dropped, I figured I might as well just wait

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Btw Electro made a giant electric shockwave during his first fight with Spider-man. Is there any way to calc that?

From just a glance, that looks like 9-A for the billboards. I predict the full result to be High 8-C or 8-B

 

[KLOL506]

From just a glance, that looks like 9-A for the billboards. I predict the full result to be High 8-C or 8-B

The billboards collapsed on their own after the shockwave caused them to short out, figuring out the power of those short-outs will be especially tricky.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Spider-Verse and MCU crossover when

 

[Dinobot1996]

Ohhhh my bad. I was referring to lower tier AP scaling in regards to helping with AP, excluding 9-Bs. MHS+ should scale to most of them

Ah, all right. Looks like that would essentially mean adding a + to just about every Massively Hypersonic speed listed on MCU profiles, which would mean...a lot of profiles to edit, wow.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Spider-Verse and MCU crossover when

I think we'd get MCU Spider-Man in Spider-Verse rather than vice versa with Spider-Verse characters in the MCU

 

[Lonkitt]

Ah, all right. Looks like that would essentially mean adding a + to just about every Massively Hypersonic speed listed on MCU profiles, which would mean...a lot of profiles to edit, wow.

Yeah, pretty much gonna lump that in with what we'll be going over in Part 2