Insomniac Spidey stat change

[Golden_Void]

Aim dodging doesn't matter here because Peter is still moving in tandem with the weapons as they're fired. The projectiles are also slowed down by a massive margin

The fact that Peter can dodge a rocket after it's already been fired but can't dodge a bullet after it's fired says everything. Sandman throwing Miles across entire neighborhoods in Manhattan is a far faster feat than any rockets, etc., and it's calculated at subsonic+. That rocket took about 1 second or slightly over to cross a distance of about 50 feet. He also swings faster than the relative speed of that rocket, which is superhuman.

Bottom line, no, the rockets aren't supersonic, and just because the verse has more advanced technology than real life, doesn't mean we just start assuming stuff.

I don't know why you're using Shocker as an example, he doesn't fire soundwaves, just generic "air blasts" which could be any speed

Just like the launchers being used, so I guess this ends that discussion.

 

[Jason_Courne]

The fact that Peter can dodge a rocket after it's already been fired but can't dodge a bullet after it's fired says everything. Sandman throwing Miles across entire neighborhoods in Manhattan is a far faster feat than any rockets, etc., and it's calculated at subsonic+. That rocket took about 1 second or slightly over to cross a distance of about 50 feet. He also swings faster than the relative speed of that rocket, which is superhuman.

Hitscan vs projectile, game mechanics

Cinematic speed, you're playing as Spider-Man, I don't a real human can dodge an RPG at pointblank range

Just like the launchers being used, so I guess this ends that discussion.

So... you agree with me that setting the hard limit on the rocket launchers to ONLY being Subsonic+ is bad?

 

[Golden_Void]

Hitscan vs projectile, game mechanics

Not at all a hitscan; the fired rounds need to make contact to land rather than teleporting the damage the instant the gun fires. Considering Spidey doesn't even activate spider-sense while the launcher is locked onto him, plus there's a delay in its activation even after the missile is launched, it's just not that fast. Meanwhile, guns trigger the red spidey-sense before they're even fired, meaning the moment to dodge before the guy pulls the trigger is too late.

You also didn't address Miles launching across the city at faster speeds ever shown by the rocket, which is only subsonic+.

Cinematic speed, you're playing as Spider-Man, I don't a real human can dodge an RPG at pointblank range

He also doesn't have "slow-mo vision" when he's not perfect dodging or outside of a cutscene. This extension of logic would mean that since he can see rockets traveling like an athlete running at full speed with normal-speed vision, everything else in-verse would be moving far faster than they logically should be, which is not the case.

So... you agree with me that setting the hard limit on the rocket launchers to ONLY being Subsonic+ is bad?

I said they're generally subsonic. You're saying some can be supersonic, and some can scan humans as heat signatures. You're trying to apply a few cases to an entire fictional weapon system, which is flawed. Even if they did use supersonic models, they all need to accelerate up to that speed. They're not hitting anywhere near their max speed at 10 or 15 meters.

I think this convo should be put to rest tbh.

 

[Jason_Courne]

You also didn't address Miles launching across the city at faster speeds ever shown by the rocket, which is only subsonic+.

I did, cinematic speed. One's a cutscene the other is gameplay

I think this convo should be put to rest tbh.

Fine by me, Spider-Man has a Supersonic feat, Subsonic+ feat, and Subsonic feat

The anti feats involving rockets and gunshots are clear plot induced stupidity or come down to human error as the gameplay makes a clear mechanic out of dodging projectiles and enemies attacks. Cutscene's also make him outmaneuvering them a trivialty

 

[Golden_Void]

I did, cinematic speed. One's a cutscene the other is gameplay

.....The rocket feat you provided below is also cinematic speed and is still nowhere close to Sandman's feat.

Fine by me, Spider-Man has a Supersonic feat, Subsonic+ feat, and Subsonic feat

The anti feats involving rockets and gunshots are clear plot induced stupidity or come down to human error as the gameplay makes a clear mechanic out of dodging projectiles and enemies attacks. Cutscene's also make him outmaneuvering them a trivialty

That rocket isn't even moving faster than the helicopter rotors are spinning. When both are in slow motion, the rotors move objectively faster.

Solidly a subsonic feat.

 

[Jason_Courne]

.....The rocket feat you provided below is also cinematic speed and is still nowhere close to Sandman's feat.

Well yeah deliberate slow motion scene

That rocket isn't even moving faster than the helicopter rotors are spinning. When both are in slow motion, the rotors move objectively faster.

The rocket is in the foreground, you're not supposed to be looking at the helicopter blades

 

[Golden_Void]

Still need more green names, Dale summon your kin

 

[Dalesean027]

@Qawsedf234 @Maverick_Zero_X @DarkDragonMedeus

summoning green names

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Subsonic downgrade makes sense for now I suppose.

 

[Golden_Void]

We have two, is that enough?

 

[Qawsedf234]

summoning green names

I'm good with the speed changes. Like I mentioned in other threads I don't think Electro MHS+ scaling is all that good for this particular Spider-Man.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

We have two, is that enough?

It is as we ain’t getting much.

I am in personal opinion that CRTs that involves calculations is when we should allow voting rights for calc member groups, but whatever

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It is as we ain’t getting much.

I am in personal opinion that CRTs that involves calculations is when we should allow voting rights for calc member groups, but whatever

I 1,000% agree.

 

[Ednaxel2]

So can the changes be applied yet?

 

[Golden_Void]

We need a finalized rating. I assume we're going to use Sandman's throwing calc for Miles for reactions.

Subsonic travel speed, subsonic+ reactions (Miles calc there)

 

[Dalesean027]

We need a finalized rating. I assume we're going to use Sandman's throwing calc for Miles for reactions.

Subsonic travel speed, subsonic+ reactions (Miles calc there)

Yeah and the Peter one too

 

[Golden_Void]

Yeah and the Peter one too

wym?

 

[Dalesean027]

wym?

the Peter bullet dodge calc as another justification for Subsonic

Insomniac Spider-Man Dodges gunfire

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Golden_Void]

the Peter bullet dodge calc as another justification for Subsonic

Insomniac Spider-Man Dodges gunfire

vsbattles.fandom.com

Subsonic combat and travel speed, subsonic+ reactions (Then fix as appropriate per profile)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Dalesean027]

oh yeah everything is accepted already we just need to apply this

Subsonic combat and travel speed, subsonic+ reactions (Then fix as appropriate per profile)

 

[Golden_Void]

Whenever the profiles are unlocked I can make the changes, or someone else given how busy I am

 

[Ednaxel2]

Whenever the profiles are unlocked I can make the changes, or someone else given how busy I am

The profiles are already unlocked

 

[Golden_Void]

The profiles are already unlocked

Peter's profile isn't unlocked so I'm gonna assume that's not entirely true

 

[Ednaxel2]

Peter's profile isn't unlocked so I'm gonna assume that's not entirely true

?

 

[Golden_Void]

?

Oh, I forgot I lost my wiki password ages ago lol

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Dalesean027]

I can apply it tomorrow

 

[Golden_Void]

I can apply it tomorrow

 

[Dalesean027]

That assumes Spidey began dodging immediately after Electro fired his attack, when he still had to break out of the bonds and visually moves in tandem with the electricity as it passes POV

But for different methods of calculations, what about using a slow motion formula instead?
It'd be more accurate to compare their apparent speeds rather than the entire distance moved as the Lightning had more time to move compared to Peter

Peter travels that distance in 3 frames, at 30 fps or 1.45/(3/30) = 14.5 m/s apparent speed
The electricity travels that speed in 28 frames, at 30 fps or 56.73/(28/30) = 60.78 m/s apparent speed

Low end: 556*14.5/60.78 = 132 m/s real speed

@Jason_Courne btw ya might wanna blog this low end since we did agree that this at least works

this is actually a better method for this feat specifically. I don't see anything really though to justify the High-End since even at its very very most if he's at 100% at his maximum capacity and unleashes everything at once his max voltage is anywhere from 10x to 300x less than your average lightnings voltage given the statement but coincidentally the 1 million volt number for his peak lines up with the higher end voltage of a Tesla Coil, so I'd say playing it safe the mid end works here since we know he didn't like expend ALL of his energy into that singular shot

the low end is actually pretty consistent given that its only 130ish m/s, it aligns with the 121m/s from my other calc.

I agree with this, also, is there a calc for the web launch and slingshot launch?

That way the verse has 3 consistent speed feats instead of just the two calcs we're working with

 

[Golden_Void]

Can web swing between multiple gunfire. Dodged gunfire from Sable and from an helicopter. Is able to dodge multiple shots and rockets during the game),

Just remove this entire section from Peter's profile please it's making him sound far more impressive than the feat actually is.

Also, give Miles "higher" speed with venom attacks.

 

[Dalesean027]

Just remove this entire section from Peter's profile please it's making him sound far more impressive than the feat actually is.

I'd say we should keep the helicopter one at least since the body movement itself would still Subsonic and is a good visual representation of his level of speed since it does show clearly the bullets are much faster than him still

 

[Jason_Courne]

btw ya might wanna blog this low end since we did agree that this at least works

I have all three ends on the blog, but I'll put it as the Subsonic being preferred currently

 

[Dalesean027]

I have all three ends on the blog, but I'll put it as the Subsonic being preferred currently

I see added it as well

that should be everything applied so this can be closed

 

[Golden_Void]

I'd say we should keep the helicopter one at least since the body movement itself would still Subsonic and is a good visual representation of his level of speed since it does show clearly the bullets are much faster than him still

I'm fine with the helicopter part.