Space Marine vs SPEHS MEHREEN

[Overlord4896]

Space marines are older than chief and thier experince is much more "refined" due to the horrors they face, and win even though they only number in the hundreds or in squadrons. A almost half a chapter took down an entire super death star of necron constructs. There is no comparsion.

 

[Overlord4896]

Imo space marine should also get weapons that one shot chief, but we dont cause its an automatic stomp then. It really shows the difference when even when chief has weapons that one shot marine, its still neck in neck. While conversely, it would be a stomp. Btw please address my previous points as it's really bothering me that you are just ignoring or dismissing them without proof.

 

[KarmodF]

Your arguments are simply he has faced against enemies stronger than Chief, with explanation like they have better anatomy, can destroy bunkers, etc... which are the equivalent of me saying that Brutes are better than any shit on the WH40K universe because they can demolish a truck.

How can you prove that Marines can shoot Chief when the weapons isnt even considered Danmaku while Chief can deal against weapons that are actually danmaku and has been able to hit targets in the neck and head with a pistol while scaping from incoming bullets.

 

[KarmodF]

Even Crab has admitted that Chief has better feats than the Marine and that your claims arent as straighforward as you writte them.

 

[Overlord4896]

Ok now you are just make stuff up, I never mentioned bunkers or anything like that. Better anatomy is definitely is factor you seem to ignore for whatever reason even when it clearly gives the space marine a huge advantage. You are btw still ignoring my previous points. You are undermining how powerful the SM's foes are, necrons can one shot tanks to the atomic level with thier base gun, and eldar can obliterate entire zones with thier pshyic abilities, both these foes get destroyed by space marines even though they are usually outnumbered by alot, especially in the necrons case with thier world engine. Have you seen a bolter fires cause its definitely much faster than either the lace or scattershot which I already explained why wouldn't really work for chief in this situation.

 

[Overlord4896]

Your claims are very bogious, you claimed forerunners had millions of years of experience. You claimed chiefs enemies were invulnerable when you clearly just admitted they were not and was told otherwise. And you still ignore my previous points while not addressing them which clearly shows you don't have a counter argument for these. Claiming scattershot or lance has danmaku is incredibly stupid for obvious reasons when bolter had a much higher rate of fire. And crab agreed with me and was refuting you're 9-A points above.

 

[Overlord4896]

I wish crab gives space marine a weapon that can one shot chief so its clearly shown to you the difference between these too. Bit crab won't, you know why? Cause it would be an easy stomp for the marine then. Chief has weapons that can one shot and it's still neck in neck. I repeat, there is no comparison.

 

[KarmodF]

Anybody with a brain can notice how you are changing things up to discredit my points.

-I was refering that the Forerunners we're billions of years old.

-The enemies are still technically invulnerable as Chief couldnt damage them, I literally just explained that before.

-I never claimed that Selence's Lance nor the Scattershot are danmaku, I mentioned that Spartans have fought against enemies with danmaku (Which can one-shot them) and still came out on top.

-Bolter isnt danmaku, its not on his profile, is that so hard to understand?

 

[Overlord4896]

Yet again ignoring my points isee. No that forerunner point was you referring to thier experience I remember where then I had to clarify for you. Space marines enemies are much more threatening than chiefs enemies, but ofc you will ignore or dismiss this point, btw this includes them having relative invulnerbality and things much more powerful than that. I really would like to see a spartan dodge a bolter shot from a space marine, give me you evidence which you have none that they are capable of doing so. I never claimed bolter has danmaku, but a far far higher rate than either the lace or scattershot and for reasons I already explained (which you dismissed with no evidence) they aren't really great in this fight.

 

[Overlord4896]

Forerunners are also not billions of years old, they were seeded 15 millions years bedore the events of halo, see why i see you just spreading misinformation?

 

[Overlord4896]

Space marines face legions of enemies that are nigh invulenarble and have infinite respawn basically while carrying weapons that can one shot them and tanks(Necrons) and a multitude of other enemies with other similar or dangerous qualities. Where is the conparsion here? Flood is nothing to the tyranids and forerunner are nothing to the necrons. Much less the covenant or brutes.

 

[KarmodF]

I have been addressing your points, you can check the whole thread to notice I have done so, Forerunners are billions, as in 2 Million, not 1,000,000,000, I literally said in the replies after those, you are not even trying at this point.

I hope Crab can settle this because you are just miss interpreting anything I say.

 

[Overlord4896]

That's not how billions work at all. Saying something like that makes 0 sense. You are ignoring my points as you just dismissed my reload point and range point about the lance and scattershot respectively. You for whatever reason refuse to understand the superior foes point even though the difference in both foes and battlefields Is made very clear by most in this thread. All you said about the automany point is basically nothing as you keep saying chief one shots while ignoring the weapons point i made. You are also dismissing the experince point for whatever reason even when i explain it. The invulaebility point honesly has nothing to do with this matchup as both can easily shread and kill each other. You see know why i am a '''bit''' annoyed? You also ignored my point of the oneshot wrapons which really do show the differnce between space marine and chief.

 

[Overlord4896]

Anyway I'll wait for crab to reply or someone else, I am going to sleep now. Gn

 

[Crabwhale]

Who is OwOrlod?

You, you dumb git

 

[Crabwhale]

Also calm down, both of you. This is just a fictional battle after all.

 

[Crabwhale]

Chief has fought against enemies with invlunerablity, Chieftain Brutes have it as standart equipment, its not true invulnerability but boost them to the point we're Chief cant hurt them with basic weaponry and strikes.

He has also fought against Elites which are trained almost since birth, Prometheans which have around 1k years of experience individually with memories from Ancient Human warriors which are also on the Gifted to Genius levels of intellect, have defeated all of them individually and with basic weaponry.

Eldar would say "hi", but they're too busy being slaughtered. Seriously.

 

[Overlord4896]

ik, but being called OwOrlod...... hurts my very soul. btw ya i did get too heated in this, i apologize karmo.

 

[Crabwhale]

Also let me walk you through what the humble Bolter is capable of.

The Bolter is basically an automatic anti-personnel rocket launcher which is launched first by a charge of something analogous to gunpowder and then propelled by it's back rocket. Except both of those pack far more of a punch than anything we could make currently.

It has a hardened diamantine (diamond-like) tip which can punch through most armor regardless of the kinetic power behind it (hence 8-C AP). Even if it would be slightly below Chief's Dura, a burst could and would do accumulative damage. And that's where the other part of a Bolt shell comes in.

A Bolt shell automatically explodes once a tiny fragment of time has passed after it has hit a target, sending bits of it as shrapnel barreling through whatever it hits along withe the actual explosion. A single chip in Chief's armor would be enough for the blast pressure to cause some serious damage.

Bolts frequently fly so fast Space Marines are not normally able to dodge them, and these are the guys that can easily swat away hypersonic Autocannon rounds. And while speed is equalized, weapon speed is not.

And that's before even considering specialist ammo that, yes, even a regular Astartes may be armed with provided they possess some Mechanicum friends. Hellfire rounds are filled with acid that can turn most things into goop, Vengeance rounds can burn through Power armor even easier than regular Bolts via unstable melta charges, Kraken Penetrator rounds have heavier charges and tips along with adamantium for said tip, which basically makes diamond look like wet toilet paper by comparison, and they increase explosion size, shrapnel dispersal and penetration power.

 

[Crabwhale]

Tl;dr both can kill the other with a single well placed shot or shots.

 

[KarmodF]

Chief FRA I suppose.

You forgot to count a vote.

 

[Crabwhale]

I kno

 

[KarmodF]

Good, I didnt want to double sue you.

 

[Crabwhale]

Bump

 

[Crabwhale]

Bump

 

[Crabwhale]

Bump

 

[Crabwhale]

(Slightly over) One Month Challenge of Bumping

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Good lord...

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Adeptus FRA

 

[Crabwhale]

Bump

 

[Crabwhale]

Bump

 

[Crabwhale]

Bump

 

[Wokistan]

Maybe we should just say this is incon?

 

[Crabwhale]

Is that how that works?

 

[Torlikoff]

Evenly matched votes go in as an incon

 

[KarmodF]

I think for it to be incon. should be around 7-6

 

[Crabwhale]

They're suggesting it to be incon cause new votes are slow and it seems to be headed that way anyway.

I think.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Honestly, this demonstrates a problem in how we decides inconclusives. Inconclusive don't actually need a vote to say it's inconclusive, we just do that a lot because it shows we've reached an agreed upon conclusion and expediates things.

Problem is, there's no other true way to define them. There's no time limit or anything to reach. It's basically just, 'Oh all arguments have been laid? People have votes but there's still no true winner? Then inconclusive.'

 

[Crabwhale]

Well if it's any consolation I believe there is a very good case to be made with all of the arguments that inconclusive may be the best option here.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There needs to be at least 7 votes for one side for it to become inconclusive. It can either be 7 or more inconclusive votes or 7 votes for one and the gap for the other being less than 3 points away.