Soul King and Yhwach Revisions

[Arcker123]

Your entire argument again is he did not use them so he shouldn't have them which has been adressed already and why we placed it as possible abilities.

This, there is nothing wrong with our current compromise.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

knew I wasted my time. Always the same staff members FRAing him all day long regardless of the scans in Bleach threads. Care to actually explain the similarities here DDM? As far as I’m concerned you just dropped an empty statement and didn’t address the evidence at all.

 

[Catalyst75]

This, there is nothing wrong with our current compromise.

Except, there is. We never see Yhwach use any of the abilities of the Sternritter within the manga, and there is no substantial evidence that he can use them. Because of that, we don't know how he'd use certain abilities in battle if he possessed them. Having that tab, on the other hand, means any thread with him can choose to interpret "possibly possesses" as "definitively possesses".

It's not a compromise if that loophole exists, especially when the "Composite" version of the character is the one almost always used.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

How is there no substantial evidence. Stop lying and ignoring evidence. The only thing that there isn’t is him bothering to use them.

Schrifts are literally stated to be abilities that he embeds within the soul of others. And we have another statement stating he absorbs abilities. You need to get this through your head.

You don’t know how possibly is used at all.

Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly.

The profile is fine how it is right now. How people use it in vs battle is literally irrelevant. You need to prove beyond doubt it’s impossible for Yhwach to ever have these schrifts. Prove that his lore is wrong.

 

[Torsin]

Except, there is. We never see Yhwach use any of the abilities of the Sternritter within the manga, and there is no substantial evidence that he can use them. Because of that, we don't know how he'd use certain abilities in battle if he possessed them. Having that tab, on the other hand, means any thread with him can choose to interpret "possibly possesses" as "definitively possesses".

It's not a compromise if that loophole exists, especially when the "Composite" version of the character is the one almost always used.

Him not using an ability does not prove he does not have them especially when we have direct confirmation from the manga stating he has them. And as stated by Sigurd above is the exact reason why we added it to his profile as possible abilities meaning there is reliable evidence that he has these abilities but it is not 100% certain.

The rest of your point is simply that people could misread the profile and think that he definitely has these abilities. That is on the people, the profile makes it clear that he "may" have these abilities and that he hasn't used them. If people don't know how to read profiles then they might as well quit debating on here. And again only if the op states that the composite is used should Yhwach's sternritter hax be considered. Other than that it is not. To add on if this is major problem we can just edit the profile to make it more clearer not remove all the abilities.

 

[Catalyst75]

Him not using an ability does not prove he does not have them especially when we have direct confirmation from the manga stating he has them.

Except we don't have direct confirmation, only an interpretation. Showing us he has those abilities - any evidence he has those abilities - would have made things much clearer. Instead, you have an interpretation of a specific line of dialogue, and that interpretation is used to claim it is telling us he has those abilities.

You're using one line, within a chapter revealing Yhwach's "soul-sharing" power and how it works, to claim he has all the abilities of every dead Sternritter.

When the rest of Yhwach's fights in the manga have him using Quincy techniques, "The Almighty" and the power of the Soul King, but no evidence of him using any of the special abilities of any of the dead Sternritter at any point. And your defences for why he hasn't used any of them can be boiled down to: "Well, why would he use any of them when he has 'The Almighty'?" You're claiming he has them, but you're also saying he has no need for them.

When the simpler answer would be that he doesn't possess those abilities, and the Schrifts simply give him increased spiritual power when they return. Because that is how most of his other power-taking abilities have functioned. He didn't gain Shinigami or Hollow powers when he stole Ichigo's power near the end of the series; he simply gained increased power, enough for him to finally decide he is ready to remake the world; the Auswahlen was specifically described as taking and redistributing power and life force. Just as he stole the power and life force of the Sternritters he no longer needed to revive the Schutzstaffel, and how he stole Gerard and Haschwalth's power and life when he had no more need for them.

Yhwach Consuming Mimihagi and the Soul King are the two times in the series where Yhwach has used his power to take both power and abilities. We immediately saw him use Mimihagi's power after he Consumed the Right Hand of the Soul King, just as he became the new lynchpin after Consuming the Soul King.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Except we don't have direct confirmation, only an interpretation. Showing us he has those abilities - any evidence he has those abilities - would have made things much clearer.

go read chapter 655 since u clearly have not

 

[Catalyst75]

Schrifts are literally stated to be abilities that he embeds within the soul of others. And we have another statement stating he absorbs abilities. You need to get this through your head.

...In other words, you are arguing that Yhwach willing embedded an ability within Uryu's soul...that can surpass his power. When the whole point of Yhwach accepting Uryu into the Vandenreich, naming him his successor in front of all the Sternritter, and making his Schrift the letter "A", was because Uryu survived when Yhwach used the Auswahlen to take the power and lives of all Gemischt Quincy nine years prior and was unaffected again when Yhwach used the Auswahlen on the remaining Sternritter.

The potential and power that allowed Uryu to be untouched by the Auswahlen existed in his soul before Yhwach ever gave him a Schrift. The Schrift only brought out that potential and revealed what that ability was. Haschwalth outright states "The Antithesis" may be the only power capable of countering "The Almighty".

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

...In other words, you are arguing that Yhwach willing embedded an ability within Uryu's soul...that can surpass his power. When the whole point of Yhwach accepting Uryu into the Vandenreich, naming him his successor in front of all the Sternritter, and making his Schrift the letter "A", was because Uryu survived when Yhwach used the Auswahlen to take the power and lives of all Gemischt Quincy nine years prior and was unaffected again when Yhwach used the Auswahlen on the remaining Sternritter.

The potential and power that allowed Uryu to be untouched by the Auswahlen existed in his soul before Yhwach ever gave him a Schrift. The Schrift only brought out that potential and revealed what that ability was. Haschwalth outright states "The Antithesis" may be the only power capable of countering "The Almighty".

and all of that was explain on chapter 655

1. he gives part of his soul and power.
2. those part give abilities or make already existent abilities more powerful
3. once they die that part of his soul returns with everything that person had memories, power, skills and abilities they developed

Why he does this? cus he must do it in order to not regress to when he was a baby unable to do anything

 

[Torsin]

Except we don't have direct confirmation, only an interpretation. Showing us he has those abilities - any evidence he has those abilities - would have made things much clearer. Instead, you have an interpretation of a specific line of dialogue, and that interpretation is used to claim it is telling us he has those abilities.

Except we do have direct confirmation. The statement talks about abilities, talents, power that they cultivated during their lifetime return to Yhwach. I am interpreting abilities as abilities. You are telling me abilities should not be interpreted as abilities?
Weird, you know where we list the schrifts of the sternritters in our profiles? Under powers and abilities. Do you know why we list them there? Because it is the abilities they have. So I am pretty sure my interpretation of the statement in question is the valid one here. Actually there is nothing to interpret here. Let me break it down for you. Are the schrifts abilities of the sternritters? Yes. Is Yhwach is said to possess said abilities? Yes, as it is stated to return to him after they die. As simple as that. You are trying to twist the statement and somehow make it so that the statement is vague when it clearly isn't.

 

[HST_Master]

Except we don't have direct confirmation, only an interpretation. Showing us he has those abilities - any evidence he has those abilities - would have made things much clearer. Instead, you have an interpretation of a specific line of dialogue, and that interpretation is used to claim it is telling us he has those abilities.

Except there is evidence, the statement on how schrifts interact with his soul, that actively tells us he gains the abilities and any other synonym you'd like whether you label them as talents, skills, or powers instead, all 4 are used.l

You're using one line, within a chapter revealing Yhwach's "soul-sharing" power and how it works, to claim he has all the abilities of every dead Sternritter.

One is all you need if given context. It's like saying Cell can't use Kaioken if he truly wanted despite saying he could because he only said it once.

When the rest of Yhwach's fights in the manga have him using Quincy techniques, "The Almighty" and the power of the Soul King, but no evidence of him using any of the special abilities of any of the dead Sternritter at any point. And your defences for why he hasn't used any of them can be boiled down to: "Well, why would he use any of them when he has 'The Almighty'?" You're claiming he has them, but you're also saying he has no need for them.

Because he doesn't. As soon as he awakened the Almighty he started steamrolling anyone in his way, it even covers resurrection the only real fight he had pre almighty was Ichibe, in which he awakens the Almighty and curbstomps him.

When the simpler answer would be that he doesn't possess those abilities, and the Schrifts simply give him increased spiritual power when they return. Because that is how most of his other power-taking abilities have functioned. He didn't gain Shinigami or Hollow powers when he stole Ichigo's power near the end of the series;

He didn't take Ichigo's Soul Reaper powers, he specifically took the Hollow and Quincy powers as both were inherited from Masaki and why? By that logic you're agreeing with him being able to use them as his Medallion allows him to use Bankai.

he simply gained increased power, enough for him to finally decide he is ready to remake the world; the Auswahlen was specifically described as taking and redistributing power and life force. Just as he stole the power and life force of the Sternritters he no longer needed to revive the Schutzstaffel, and how he stole Gerard and Haschwalth's power and life when he had no more need for them.

He already had enough power to remake the world by absorbing both Mimihagi and Soul King, he took Ichigo's power as insult to injury. Auswahlen being able to distribute power has no barring on his ability to share pieces of his soul via touching people/schrifts. You're trying to associate the 2 solely because they're both methods of stealing power.

Yhwach Consuming Mimihagi and the Soul King are the two times in the series where Yhwach has used his power to take both power and abilities. We immediately saw him use Mimihagi's power after he Consumed the Right Hand of the Soul King, just as he became the new lynchpin after Consuming the Soul King.

You just contradicted yourself. 1st you say no form of absorption he has allows him to use the targets power, then you admit he has Reio and Mimihagi abilities. Which is it? Not to mention he needs Reio's power to merge the worlds, it was his entire goal of the war. He doesn't need The Superstar or The Question for that, Almighty covers all bases up to that point.

 

[HST_Master]

...In other words, you are arguing that Yhwach willing embedded an ability within Uryu's soul...that can surpass his power. When the whole point of Yhwach accepting Uryu into the Vandenreich, naming him his successor in front of all the Sternritter, and making his Schrift the letter "A", was because Uryu survived when Yhwach used the Auswahlen to take the power and lives of all Gemischt Quincy nine years prior and was unaffected again when Yhwach used the Auswahlen on the remaining Sternritter.

The potential and power that allowed Uryu to be untouched by the Auswahlen existed in his soul before Yhwach ever gave him a Schrift. The Schrift only brought out that potential and revealed what that ability was. Haschwalth outright states "The Antithesis" may be the only power capable of countering "The Almighty".

You keep stating it was the Antithesis that allowed Uryu to survive Auswahlen when you've brought zero proof to connect the 2. Uryu was always considered a genius for mastering high level quincy techniques like Letz Still or Ranso-Tengai only surpassed by Ryuken. And what puts a giant whole in your theory is the fact Kurosaki Siblings despite being mixed bloods as well, were also completely unaffected by Auswahlen.

And no Jugram makes clear that wasn't the only reason Uryu was chosen. It was to put a target on his back and keep him under watch by the other Sternritter as they did not fully trust him due to being an outsider and was fully aware the only reason he joined was revenge for his mom.

 

[Damage3245]

And what puts a giant whole in your theory is the fact Kurosaki Siblings despite being mixed bloods as well

I don't think there's any evidence that Ichigo's sisters inherited any kind of Quincy ability from their mother.

You keep stating it was the Antithesis that allowed Uryu to survive Auswahlen when you've brought zero proof to connect the 2.

Yhwach answers Uryu's question about why he's the successor by explaining that Uryu possesses some kind of power that surpasses his own.

Haschwalth states "That's the reason why his Majesty took an interest in you." in reference to the Antithesis.

It doesn't seem like a big leap to connect them together, no?

 

[HST_Master]

I don't think there's any evidence that Ichigo's sisters inherited any kind of Quincy ability from their mother.

They're still mix bloods that can see/sense spirits. And Kurosaki Siblings includes Ichigo who blatantly still has his quincy powers via Old Man Zangetsu.

Yhwach answers Uryu's question about why he's the successor by explaining that Uryu possesses some kind of power that surpasses his own.

Haschwalth states "That's the reason why his Majesty took an interest in you." in reference to the Antithesis.

It doesn't seem like a big leap to connect them together, no?

And that's in correspondence to the Almighty itself, not Auswahlen not to mention both scans are after Uryu gets his Schrift and gets a piece of Yhwach's Soul like the other Sternritter and either interpretation does little to the argument of Yhaach gaining their powers upon death, as he takes them anyway, it's semantics. This also cuts into the fact that only Gerard and Pernida are the ones not given any powers by Yhwach and their Schrifts are solely so that he can receive their abilities upon death.

 

[Damage3245]

They're still mix bloods that can see/sense spirits. And Kurosaki Siblings includes Ichigo who blatantly still has his quincy powers via Old Man Zangetsu.

Yhwach is evidently not counting Ichigo since he knows Ichigo survived yet he only counted Uryu as the only true survivor.

And that's in correspondence to the Almighty itself, not Auswahlen not to mention both scans are after Uryu gets his Schrift and gets a piece of Yhwach's Soul like the other Sternritter

Yhwach's statement wasn't in reference to the Almighty.

This also cuts into the fact that only Gerard and Pernida are the ones not given any powers by Yhwach and their Schrifts are solely so that he can receive their abilities upon death.

Don't forget the Lloyd Twins.

 

[Tyri456]

We only give abilities outright shown or specifically stated and we don't assume they gain every hax ability just by absorbing them.

so you agree Yhwach keeping them..

Yhwach doesn’t have them because he just absorbed, he has them because he absorbed them and it is stated he gains the abilities they have acquired, talents and knowledge they have gained.

 

[HST_Master]

Yhwach is evidently not counting Ichigo since he knows Ichigo survived yet he only counted Uryu as the only true survivor.

I don't see how this matters? He also doesn't bother to mention Ryuken as well despite his initial Auswahlen being a screening between pure and mixed bloods and Ryuken being the former.

Yhwach's statement wasn't in reference to the Almighty.

Yes it is, as is Jugrams which is in reference to this to the point he's glad he has his Balance instead of the Almighty to fight him as a counter. Why would he mention the Almighty if Auswahlen is what both are referring to, which are 2 separate abilities?

Don't forget the Lloyd Twins.

I didn't, they make it clear with saying the afformentioned 2 Schutzstaffel are the only ones that are the exception to the rule, meaning the Lloyd Twins also got Schrifts from him to gain The Yourself, If anything Blame Kubo.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

...In other words, you are arguing that Yhwach willing embedded an ability within Uryu's soul...that can surpass his power. When the whole point of Yhwach accepting Uryu into the Vandenreich, naming him his successor in front of all the Sternritter, and making his Schrift the letter "A", was because Uryu survived when Yhwach used the Auswahlen to take the power and lives of all Gemischt Quincy nine years prior and was unaffected again when Yhwach used the Auswahlen on the remaining Sternritter.

The potential and power that allowed Uryu to be untouched by the Auswahlen existed in his soul before Yhwach ever gave him a Schrift. The Schrift only brought out that potential and revealed what that ability was. Haschwalth outright states "The Antithesis" may be the only power capable of countering "The Almighty".

Why are you using Uryu as some sort of standard? He is the outlier.

Yhwach doesn’t even have The Antithesis on his profile so it’s not even relevant.

 

[Cyberblader90]

So I have a proposition for the CRT

We currently have a speed CRT open and will have potentially one tomorrow for the wandenreich.

Currently the CRT is slightly heated so with the prior information in mind I would like to request if we could temporarily put this one on hold until the other two are finally settled

 

[Catalyst75]

You just contradicted yourself. 1st you say no form of absorption he has allows him to use the targets power, then you admit he has Reio and Mimihagi abilities. Which is it?

I said, "That's how most of his power-taking abilities functioned". I brought up when he Consumed the Soul King and Mimihagi (the capitalization is intentional) because those are the two times where he did take an entity's abilities wholesale with no ambiguity or fan-made headcanon.

Why are you using Uryu as some sort of standard? He is the outlier.

Actually, he is the one who demonstrates the nature of the Schrifts. The Schrifts awaken the latent potential of the Quincy, as it did with Uryu's potential which surpasses "The Almighty" and Yhwach's power.

If that is true for Uryu, why not for the other Sternritter? Why couldn't Yhwach's "Soul-sharing" function in a similar manner to his father's own soul fragments, or the Hogyoku's "desire materialization"? The three are rather similar in terms of how they function, after all.

 

[Cyberblader90]

So I have a proposition for the CRT

We currently have a speed CRT open and will have potentially one tomorrow for the wandenreich.

Currently the CRT is slightly heated so with the prior information in mind I would like to request if we could temporarily put this one on hold until the other two are finally settled

 

[Torsin]

Actually, he is the one who demonstrates the nature of the Schrifts. The Schrifts awaken the latent potential of the Quincy, as it did with Uryu's potential which surpasses "The Almighty" and Yhwach's power.

If that is true for Uryu, why not for the other Sternritter? Why couldn't Yhwach's "Soul-sharing" function in a similar manner to his father's own soul fragments, or the Hogyoku's "desire materialization"? The three are rather similar in terms of how they function, after all.

Alright let's say all of this is true and that Yhwach's souls sharing function works similar to the hogyoku. Why does this matter exactly especially for Yhwach?
His lore quite literally states that whatever abilities the sternirtter acquire, the knowledge they gain and the talent they blossomed during their lifetime return to him when they die. So even if this was true it would not in any way at all disprove Yhwach having the abilities of the sternriiter that passed away. There is no ambiguity or mystery here. Yhwach's lore point blank states he receives all the abilities that the sternriiter have acquired during their lifetime, their talents and their knowledge. Nothing you said disproves this.

I said, "That's how most of his power-taking abilities functioned". I brought up when he Consumed the Soul King and Mimihagi (the capitalization is intentional) because those are the two times where he did take an entity's abilities wholesale with no ambiguity or fan-made headcanon.

Weird, last time I checked Yhwach's lore was made by Kubo.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

with no ambiguity or fan-made headcanon.

1. Straight up told he does this (takes powers, abilities and knowledge the person has acquired during their entire life.

So idk where u get the "oh is ambiguous" from.

2. The manga bleach chapter 655 is head canon?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Actually, he is the one who demonstrates the nature of the Schrifts. The Schrifts awaken the latent potential of the Quincy, as it did with Uryu's potential which surpasses "The Almighty" and Yhwach's power.

Uryu demonstrates nothing. He is a Quincy who survived the Auswhalen thus deemed Yhwach’s successor. The Schrift gives the user an ability via engraving a letter on them. This is what is stated. Uryu didn’t have this power before at all.

Actually literally only a handful of Quincy even have powers outside of basic Quincy abilities and they’re all schrifts bestowed by Yhwach or literally an aspect of god.

If that is true for Uryu, why not for the other Sternritter? Why couldn't Yhwach's "Soul-sharing" function in a similar manner to his father's own soul fragments, or the Hogyoku's "desire materialization"? The three are rather similar in terms of how they function, after all.

Because none of them are relevant or survived Auswhalen? The only other relevant Quincy is Jugram and he didn’t have The Balance before. His power is to make those around him stronger.

For starters the Soul King doesn’t share his soul? It’s literally pieces of his body giving people power. There is 0 similarities between 2 besides giving power.

Still literally nothing you’re saying here debunks the explanation of the nature of Yhwach. You’re jumping through all sorts of loops when we have a blatant statement detailing the nature of Schrifts and Yhwach. Prove the statement is wrong or simply just stop.

 

[HST_Master]

I said, "That's how most of his power-taking abilities functioned". I brought up when he Consumed the Soul King and Mimihagi (the capitalization is intentional) because those are the two times where he did take an entity's abilities wholesale with no ambiguity or fan-made headcanon.

That's just cherry picking which ones he's allowed to "count" or not. There's no real difference aside from Auswahlen which is for Quincy between his multiple absorption methods aside from how they're achieved, from Sankt Altar, Soul Fragments, or just straight up absorbing someone into him and there's zero indication we should assume the afformentioned are somehow each have a super specific thing they can absorb.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

So having read through everything I'm going to just stay Neutral here. I can honestly understand both Positions to some degree.
in any case, I don't think our current compromise on Yhwach Profile is all that Inaccurate which is essentially just "Possibly" for his Sternritter abilities.
the debate regarding power and skill or whatever seems like arguing over Semantics and I don't think it's worth nearly 3 pages.

Create a Concise argument for your Position and let's just count the votes.

 

[Damage3245]

I will accept the current compromise used on Yhwach's profile for now. I still personally believe that he shouldn't have them listed.

I will try to make a site-wide revision in the future to address this kind of scenario for all verses, not just Bleach, if that sounds fair.

 

[AKM sama]

I am personally fine with him having those abilities as "possibly" and a note saying that he never uses those abilities in character.

 

[Gitagon]

Except, there is. We never see Yhwach use any of the abilities of the Sternritter within the manga, and there is no substantial evidence that he can use them. Because of that, we don't know how he'd use certain abilities in battle if he possessed them. Having that tab, on the other hand, means any thread with him can choose to interpret "possibly possesses" as "definitively possesses".

It's not a compromise if that loophole exists, especially when the "Composite" version of the character is the one almost always used.

Honestly, these are some of the reasons Bleach is so shaky when it comes to this site. People want to add abilities which there is zero evidence for and when you ask why they weren't used, the only answer you get is CIS or PIS or Kubo forgot when the more plausible answer is that Kubo as the author, portrayed Yhwach exactly as intended and that he doesn't have abilities like that. Some that would have literally saved him from death.

The Soul King thing is even more egregious because it isn't a mystery in Bleach how Fullbrings are awakened. Unless the Soul King had the same experience as literally all Fullbrings millions of years ago for some nonsensical reason, there is no reason he would have Fullbrings of motorcycles, videogames, and even girls' toys and plushies (lol), millions of years before these things were invented.

Giving these characters these abilities will inevitably lead to the day holes are poked regarding their profiles, then we will enter another round of, "oh, thye want to nerf Bleach again!"

 

[Gitagon]

...In other words, you are arguing that Yhwach willing embedded an ability within Uryu's soul...that can surpass his power. When the whole point of Yhwach accepting Uryu into the Vandenreich, naming him his successor in front of all the Sternritter, and making his Schrift the letter "A", was because Uryu survived when Yhwach used the Auswahlen to take the power and lives of all Gemischt Quincy nine years prior and was unaffected again when Yhwach used the Auswahlen on the remaining Sternritter.

The potential and power that allowed Uryu to be untouched by the Auswahlen existed in his soul before Yhwach ever gave him a Schrift. The Schrift only brought out that potential and revealed what that ability was. Haschwalth outright states "The Antithesis" may be the only power capable of countering "The Almighty".

This is exactly what I'm talking about. See. People here don't understand that Yhwach and Soul King's soul fragments/shards act as catalysts to help Quincies and Fullbringers innate abilities just like with Shinigami and Asauchi. But some people are acting as if these 2 created and directly handed out these abilities.

 

[Torsin]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. See. People here don't understand that Yhwach and Soul King's soul fragments/shards act as catalysts to help Quincies and Fullbringers innate abilities just like with Shinigami and Asauchi. But some people are acting as if these 2 created and directly handed out these abilities.

Alright let's say all of this is true and that Yhwach's souls sharing function works similar to the hogyoku. Why does this matter exactly especially for Yhwach?
His lore quite literally states that whatever abilities the sternirtter acquire, the knowledge they gain and the talent they blossomed during their lifetime return to him when they die. So even if this was true it would not in any way at all disprove Yhwach having the abilities of the sternriiter that passed away. There is no ambiguity or mystery here. Yhwach's lore point blank states he receives all the abilities that the sternriiter have acquired during their lifetime, their talents and their knowledge. Nothing you said disproves this.

 

[Tyri456]

I will accept the current compromise used on Yhwach's profile for now. I still personally believe that he shouldn't have them listed.

I will try to make a site-wide revision in the future to address this kind of scenario for all verses, not just Bleach, if that sounds fair.

It really doesnt soud fair, you dont have definitive proofs regarding this kind of situations, so you are just killing the debate without a concrete reason.

Not listing abilities it is esplicity stated he had (despite not using) in the profile which is something that should contains all the the informations regarding a charachter, doesnt sound right. The way they are treated is prefeclty fine.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Honestly yeah. I’m siding with Yhwach keeping the abilities at this point.

 

[Damage3245]

Are there any objections to me closing the thread for now?

 

[Axxtentacle]

Not from me.

 

[Damage3245]

Is anyone has anything new to add, let me know on my message wall. For now, I'll close the thread until the 3rd novel comes out and we get more context on the Soul King's abilities.