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Sonic: Speed question
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The stars look like they were drawn at an awkward angle, which is why the stars look smaller compared to Blaze. It's probably a way to show us that some stars are closer in distance compared to others, which is why we see smaller stars as well as bigger stars in the image.
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If they wanted to show us closer stars they would've just made them bigger in the background. I'm saying that, in this scene, there are stars that Blaze is standing behind and still looks bigger than, which would mean that the stars are smaller than Blaze's body.Lina Shields said:
A 1 meter tall person cannot stand behind a tower and look bigger than the tower no matter what perspective you take the picture from.
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I don't believe the speed value would be an outlier, but the size and positioning of the stars certainly seems bizarre.
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Same as Promestein, really.
Them flying past stars should normally be a MFTL (generally MFTL+ obviously) feat. But reading through the reasons that TMR and the others were talking here earlier, it does seem pretty odd of them being that...small?
Them flying past stars should normally be a MFTL (generally MFTL+ obviously) feat. But reading through the reasons that TMR and the others were talking here earlier, it does seem pretty odd of them being that...small?
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I have to agree with Xcano about it being... off
From what I can tell from TMR and Xcano's statements, whatever it is, it is definitely not a star and the calc should not be used under the assumption that they're stars.
From what I can tell from TMR and Xcano's statements, whatever it is, it is definitely not a star and the calc should not be used under the assumption that they're stars.
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Perhaps "Unknow, likely higher than FTL+"?
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Well, in that case, somebody would have to revert the recent speed changes to the Sonic pages, and then adjust the FTL+ and MFTL ratings, discussed in the original post of this thread, to "At least FTL+" instead.
However, I would prefer to get more input from the community first.
However, I would prefer to get more input from the community first.
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maybe add with a possible MFTL
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Where does the possible MFTL come from?
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Perhaps their speed can be changed to:
Speed: At least FTL+, likely higher
The reason for this being that Sonic was travelling through what looks to be space, with the orbs being either stars or something else. Now I am wondering if a MFTL rating is justified at the moment.
If there was a separate calc that places their speed at FTL+, does anyone know if the value sits in the lower, or higher end of that rating? Perhaps the "possibly MFTL" rating can be decided based on that.
Speed: At least FTL+, likely higher
The reason for this being that Sonic was travelling through what looks to be space, with the orbs being either stars or something else. Now I am wondering if a MFTL rating is justified at the moment.
If there was a separate calc that places their speed at FTL+, does anyone know if the value sits in the lower, or higher end of that rating? Perhaps the "possibly MFTL" rating can be decided based on that.
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His original FTL+ ratings were based on him escaping a black hole, as well as being faster than light, although it could be that these are likely only FTL feats for Sonic.
Does Sonic actually escape a black hole by any chance, or was it implied?
Does Sonic actually escape a black hole by any chance, or was it implied?
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I remember him outrunning a black hole in Sonic Colors near the end.
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Huh, it seems he wasn't able to outrun it and the black hole... doesn't at all act like one outside of the game mechanics....
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Lina Shields said:
no the wips ( or how ever you spell there names) saved him after geting sucked in too the black hole
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Hmm. It seems like we may have to downgrade to Sonic characters instead then.
However, are you absolutely certain that the current feat is illegitimate?
Was the intention of the story that Sonic ran past stars, whereas the graphics simply failed to convey this in an accurate manner?
However, are you absolutely certain that the current feat is illegitimate?
Was the intention of the story that Sonic ran past stars, whereas the graphics simply failed to convey this in an accurate manner?
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Sonic Colors was a fairly well graphically done game. Not to mention this happened in a cutscene. Not to mention, he was running on Eggman's amusement park, which is definitely nowhere near even star sized in length
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Wait. I thought that Sega explicitly stated that Sonic was faster than light, and he still has that feat of catching that laser wisp.
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Base, I believe.
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This is Sonic's Base speed and reasoning's from his page.
FTL (Is considered "faster than light" in an official source, and is considered the fastest video game character of all time. Sonic also runs fast enough to capture a Cyan Laser Wisp, which is generally accepted as an actual laser, casually, even commenting on how it was "almost as fast as him". While using Light Speed Attack, Sonic is capable of directing his attacks towards his enemies at Lightspeed, easily. Although he couldn't completely outrun a Black Hole, he did do so for a large period of time. This was also excerpted from "The History of Sonic the Hedgehog".)
Sorry for the long thing, y'all. This is literally what;s on his page.
FTL (Is considered "faster than light" in an official source, and is considered the fastest video game character of all time. Sonic also runs fast enough to capture a Cyan Laser Wisp, which is generally accepted as an actual laser, casually, even commenting on how it was "almost as fast as him". While using Light Speed Attack, Sonic is capable of directing his attacks towards his enemies at Lightspeed, easily. Although he couldn't completely outrun a Black Hole, he did do so for a large period of time. This was also excerpted from "The History of Sonic the Hedgehog".)
Sorry for the long thing, y'all. This is literally what;s on his page.
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Fastest video game character of all time should definitely be taken out, since at a low end, people like Mario (SMG), Sol Badguy, X, Samus, and Kirby exist, and on a high end, Mario (Paper) Arceus, ZeedMilleniummon, Chara, YHVH, and U-DO exist.
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@CrossverseCrisis Well, perhaps it would be most appropriate to scale the super forms as "Unknow. Likely at least FTL+ (Should be far swifter than in base)" then?
@The real cal howard Probably, yes, although he is far more focused on running speed in the games themselves.
@The real cal howard Probably, yes, although he is far more focused on running speed in the games themselves.
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@Antvasima: Perhaps so if we can't use the calc here at all.
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Keep in mind that once we get things settled here, i would not mind going through the pages and adjusting their Super Forms to what Ant just said.
That's the only thing that needs to be changed, yes? May i asked what do we do with say, Sonic's Hyper form, for instance? Put them Unknown or what? @All
That's the only thing that needs to be changed, yes? May i asked what do we do with say, Sonic's Hyper form, for instance? Put them Unknown or what? @All
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Just needed to be sure. However i'd like to know if the people here are fine with what you suggested for recently above.
Also, i do think Cal has a point about Sonic's base speed reasoning's. One of them being "fastest video game character" when we have like many more of them much faster than him at base (Sora, Mario via his SMG stats, Kirby, Sol Badguy, Chara, etc.). We'll also need to adjust that for Sonic's base speed as well once this is all done...
Also, i do think Cal has a point about Sonic's base speed reasoning's. One of them being "fastest video game character" when we have like many more of them much faster than him at base (Sora, Mario via his SMG stats, Kirby, Sol Badguy, Chara, etc.). We'll also need to adjust that for Sonic's base speed as well once this is all done...
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