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Good luck with that. I admire your outspokenness given the large amount of supporters for Sonic.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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I'm the one that added Infinite speed so I can sure as hell take it away. Also, a large number of supporters have known this for a while
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I've missed out on being in those threads but I've had issues with it myself for a while tbh. But yeah curious to see what you'll cook up (it'll probably be similar to what I've thought)
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I'm also typically quite outspoken when I'm planning a revision. If I'm planning one, someone's gonna know one way or another
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Yeah well, I will definitely not let them go away without some choice words.
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I mean go ahead when it drops, I welcome the debate and all. If it stays, it stays
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Damn, I had already planned a speed downgrade for Super forms and you're gonna do this too? That kinda sucks ngl, but I look forward to what you have to say
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I think all this dimensional tiering and Infinite Speed shit has made me more neutral on some of the stats rather than being in full support of them. It is what it is ig
Hax is still fun as hell to document tho. Verse-specific powers and hax blogs are kinda my forte
Hax is still fun as hell to document tho. Verse-specific powers and hax blogs are kinda my forte
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So how do you expect that to work?? Argue that the Null Space feat was done through Dimensional Trave and make the secret rings feat an outlier?
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You can just go the Dragon Ball powercreep route and just say Modern Base>>>Adventure Super Forms, very simple explanation, and probably the one Sega believes too, nowadays.
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This one I don't get, tho. What downgrade do you plan.
This is true, almost every Sonic research thing is just copying what's in this wikia in a very tsundere way. It's kind of funny tbh.
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I don’t believe anyone’s planning that, in fact I can’t see how one would even pull that off. I think all the talk of “downgrading Super form speed” is just talking about the baseline level of Super forms currently upscaling from Darkspine Sonic. Maybe someone is planning an Immeasurable speed downgrade though and I’m missing some key info, idk I ain’t psychic.
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No it’s just the baseline, although there is a downgrade planned for infinite speed base.
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You'll see when the thread is posted
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I've already shown you. Baseline Super form speed has no reason to scale to Darkspine Sonic or any other unrelated mcguffin. Darkspine Sonic doesn't even get his infinite speed from the world rings for crying out loud. He already has it in base by that point.
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Oh I see. Well, Super Sonic would probably still be infinite anyways because of Ruby scaling + Perfect Chaos scaling to Modern Base Sonic.
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If Pepto’s thread gets fully accepted and Low 2-C is no longer the baseline, how would their new ratings be applied for Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow and Adventure Sonic’s keys? Would it be something like “Varies, at least [weakest base key’s rating] to [strongest base key’s rating], up to 1-C”? Or would they have multiple Super form keys?
Also are there any interesting matchups that could be done with Ultimate Gemerl and post-Battle Super Sonic reaching 3-C through the Chaos Emerald multiplier (assuming I didn’t mess up the math)? Tbh I don’t really care about the VS debating part of powerscaling that much, I’m just a bit curious is all.
Also are there any interesting matchups that could be done with Ultimate Gemerl and post-Battle Super Sonic reaching 3-C through the Chaos Emerald multiplier (assuming I didn’t mess up the math)? Tbh I don’t really care about the VS debating part of powerscaling that much, I’m just a bit curious is all.
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Wouldnt they still have Low 2-C based on the Phantom King
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I’m not sure why they would, since nothing about the Phantom King fight (that I can think of at least) says they’re at their base level. They could just as likely be using a medium level of power.
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I'm pretty sure there's talk of Low 2-C being the baseline but via other means
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Nope. The Phantom Ruby is superior to the 7 Emeralds' baseline due to the fact that it can effortlessly create armies of characters who upscale from said baseline by virtue of upscaling from the Super Egg Robot and (for now) Perfect Chaos.
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2-C, via the Sonic Rush feat the emeralds perform by themselves. Without that, there's no evidence the emeralds have a tier 2 baseline.
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Classic Super Sonic literally fights the Phantom King and beats it, and Adventure Perfect Chaos fights Modern base. They would scale.
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The former makes more sense to me. If possible, we could even do "varies from base form attack potency*7 to Complex Multiverse level. That would be unprecedented though, but it would be the most practical solution.
Even base Sonic could scale to 3-C in the early modern era via those multipliers and a 3-C to 3-B feat in Sonic Riders Zero Gravity. If the 2-C baseline for the emeralds is accepted via the Sonic Rush feat, none of this matters though.
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No evidence that the Phantom King is baseline showing. We went over this. Modern base upscaling from the baseline of 7 emeralds doesn't mean baseline Super forms are infinite speed. There's also evidence to contradict Perfect Chaos being a baseline level foe even without the Sonic Channel statement.
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Oh yeah, I forgot that feats they do by themselves should be baseline by default unless there’s good reason for them not to be.
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I think he's talking about the master core abis fight in that game, sb else explained the feat earlier here(MysticMania IIRC)
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oh yeah.......they were creating a big Black Hole right?
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huh, might be worth a calc.......but idk how to even begin to calc Black Hole creation lol
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bare minimum it’s mass energy conversion of a planet into a singularity which is probably like, small star at least.
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This is why we gotta change to the "Classic to Adventure to modern Super form" scaling tbh.
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Ban all powerscaling and make Sonic below average human level off his height.
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What would even be baseline super forms? Final Hazard?
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thing is, the Black Hole would have sucked it up the Earth.......while they were deep into outer space
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Super Egg Robot and the Sonic Advance 2 final boss I don't remember the name of
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For Adventure and Modern Era characters it would be the user’s base power with the 2x multiplier from each Emerald (128x in total iirc). For Classic Era characters I believe it would be the High 4-C feat of one Emerald increased by 64x.
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The user's base power and the High 4-C calc is applicable for both. In both cases the result should be 4-B (3-C for late Adventure era)
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