Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

 

[Alexander]

Prime taking place before Forces, or the Phantom Ruby and Paradox Prism being related?

both

 

[Theuser789]

Anyway, with that out of the way... would it make sense for Prime to take place before Forces? I saw a theory that the Phantom Ruby and Paradox Prism are related somehow, and I can KINDA see it, but I only THINK I understand Sonic lore: I can't quite say I really KNOW it.

It's probably after Frontiers. It's not really clear either way.

 

[Alexander]

It's probably after Frontiers. It's not really clear either way.

sonic prime is somewhere after advance 3

 

[Omegabronic]

sonic prime is somewhere after advance 3

"somewhere" as Ian clarified, can mean literally anywhere after Advance 3

 

[Alexander]

"somewhere" as Ian clarified, can mean literally anywhere after Advance 3

but also gave another example,like ''sonic 4 is somewhere after sonic cd''

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

"somewhere" as Ian clarified, can mean literally anywhere after Advance 3

And this here is why I'm anxious for when SEGA releases a concise timeline of the series and the periods of time that pass between each new entry in the series, saying that it takes anywhere after Advance 3 without some sort of time given is honestly incredibly stupid. Like if no time period is going to be given in regards to how long after Advance 3 then what's the point of even saying it in the first place? At that point I'd just say it takes place after Frontiers if no time frame is given

 

[ShakeResounding]

So, just curious what the consensus is here since I'm a little at-odds with what my next completed project should be.

Would you guys like to see a character revision next, or another location blog like my Maginaryworld and Cyber Space ones?

 

[Alexander]

So, just curious what the consensus is here since I'm a little at-odds with what my next completed project should be.

Would you guys like to see a character revision next, or another location blog like my Maginaryworld and Cyber Space ones?

both

 

[ShakeResounding]

both

Bro thinks he's a kid at a candy store. Not how it works, sorry

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

So, just curious what the consensus is here since I'm a little at-odds with what my next completed project should be.

Would you guys like to see a character revision next, or another location blog like my Maginaryworld and Cyber Space ones?

I want to see High 1-B Sonic

 

[ShakeResounding]

I want to see High 1-B Sonic

Pffft, okay let's be a bit reasonable, some things are beyond what I'm capable of lmao

 

[Alexander]

Bro thinks he's a kid at a candy store. Not how it works, sorry

then for characters,and also if i was a kid in a candy store,i will want the candy store to give me all the candies of one specific type

 

[Executor_N0]

but also gave another example,like ''sonic 4 is somewhere after sonic cd''

That was his intent. Sonic 4 is after Sonic CD, as it could be anytime after it. Or as someone who RTd Ian and Ian himself liked it,


Or, when Ian tried to be even more clear about it. It could be one day after Sonic Advence 3, it could be 1000 years after it.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

So, just curious what the consensus is here since I'm a little at-odds with what my next completed project should be.

Would you guys like to see a character revision next, or another location blog like my Maginaryworld and Cyber Space ones?

I'd like to see another character revision tbh, the way you make the profiles look so clean and organized is visually eye candy to me. And if it means that the other pages are given that same treatment then I'd be down to see that

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'd like to see another character revision tbh, the way you make the profiles look so clean and organized is visually eye candy to me.

Heh, thanks a mil!

And if it means that the other pages are given that same treatment then I'd be down to see that

One way or another, every character will one day be revised at the cost of my soul

 

[Omegabronic]

So, just curious what the consensus is here since I'm a little at-odds with what my next completed project should be.

Would you guys like to see a character revision next, or another location blog like my Maginaryworld and Cyber Space ones?

honestly, i would say location since there is lots of potential in those, but some of the characters have so much bare bones profiles that i can't bring myself to ask anything but to MAKE THEM AS GREAT AS THE MAIN 4, really, that is the end goal in my view

 

[ShakeResounding]

Next question then.

Hero or villain?

 

[Alexander]

Next question then.

Hero or villain?

hero

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Next question then.

Hero or villain?

I'd say villains, I can tell some could use a tune up and be up to standard. Plus, the heroes have a lot more going on to them so it might be better to get the easier bits out of the way before moving on to the real meat and potatoes

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Bro thinks he's a kid at a candy store. Not how it works, sorry

Character. I've had my share of cosmology stuff for a while. Weren't you planning a Dream Team CRT?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Or, when Ian tried to be even more clear about it. It could be one day after Sonic Advence 3, it could be 1000 years after it.

In my view I would think it would happen sometime before Rush / Unleashed, since Sonic and Shadow aren't really shown to use the boost ability which became a mainstay after their introduction.

Though the characterization of Amy was more towards her modern version than her 2000s era version.

 

[Omegabronic]

Next question then.

Hero or villain?

vilain, Metal Sonic and Solaris seriously need it

 

[ShakeResounding]

Weren't you planning a Dream Team CRT?

That finished up just yesterday man lmao

Look at Eggman's page. Nightmare key is there

 

[Theuser789]

Next question then.

Hero or villain?

Our ANTAGONISTS.

 

[Remus1998]

Next question then.

Hero or villain?

preferably villain, extremely leaning towards metal sonic

 

[ShakeResounding]

The bad guys won, my next character profile will be a villain then.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The bad guys won, my next character profile will be a villain then.

I can't wait to see Chaos (Metal) Sonic

 

[Brogeefrong]

would 6D hax for games be possibly

 

[ShakeResounding]

then for characters-

I'd like to see another character revision tbh-

Character.

villain-

Our ANTAGONISTS.

preferably villain

Hey you! Yes, ALL OF YOU!

Here it is.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Did someone say Sonic X? No one but me? Too hecking bad, I made something for the first time in three years.

A very Chaotic Sonic X Upgrade

I don't have the wit needed for a funny introduction. So let's go. Chaos 6 Scaling In episode 30 of Sonic X, Sonic and Knuckles are able to fight Chaos 6, who is empowered by six of the Chaos Emeralds. Sonic and Knuckles are both able to destroy parts of Chaos 6, demonstrating that they...

vsbattles.com

 

[Bobsican]

TBH I do also think that the events of Prime did happen, it's a plot point that each world has its own time speed, which is why the time Sonic was outside of one world in his perspective didn't match the time of it when he returned, plus it's not called the Paradox Prism for nothing, so it'd at least be fair to consider the possibility of this being different from the 06 incident given the implications that @Peptocoptr27 has brought up, there's also Sonic clearly remembering everything, so either way I wouldn't be surprised if references are made later on.

Because the show is stupid and doesn't care enough to tie up those sorts of questions. "Sonic saved the day, shut up and be happy and don't you dare ask questions."

Even Flynn is saying the entire point is that it undoes itself and is why it doesn't matter where it takes place (even if the latter part is a terrible idea, the placement in the timeline matters a LOT). And you know I don't like using Flynn's word

Alternatively this is more proof for tier 1 by the implication of stacked timelines.

 

[Alexander]

TBH I do also think that the events of Prime did happen, it's a plot point that each world has its own time speed, which is why the time Sonic was outside of one world in his perspective didn't match the time of it when he returned, plus it's not called the Paradox Prism for nothing, so it'd at least be fair to consider the possibility of this being different from the 06 incident given the implications that @Peptocoptr27 has brought up, there's also Sonic clearly remembering everything, so either way I wouldn't be surprised if references are made later on.


Alternatively this is more proof for tier 1 by the implication of stacked timelines.

the problem comes when it just happens inside the main universe,and it does not affect the rest of the universes

 

[Bobsican]

Same way the universe could be argued to individually be 2-C, it could also be argued to be tier 1 given the before-mentioned implication, do note that I'd be neutral on that sort of claim and I'm merely giving food for thought.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Alternatively this is more proof for tier 1 by the implication of stacked timelines.

Interesting. Can I ask what you mean by stacked timelines? I assume you mean Sonic's timeline existing like a sheet over the Shatterverse, like a layer atop another?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Where is it ever stated, shown, or even implied that Super forms are so much faster than base forms? There's a ton of evidence that they're much more powerful, overall superior, and definitely faster to an extent but never that they're even close to being infinitely faster. There's in fact so much evidence to the contrary. Base characters have kept up with the immeasurable speed of:

-Super Mecha Sonic
-Ultimate Gemerl (through Eggman's Egg mobile, who's feat of catching up to Gemerl in Nonagression zone is already accepted)
-Perfect Chaos
-The Phantom King (through scaling to the Death Egg Robot in Forces, a vastly superior Eggman creation which runs on the same power source and, unlike the Heavy King, explicitely overclocked it)
-Super Neo Metal Sonic (Shadow power nulled him before he could react)
-Time Eater
-Wyvern, Knight, and by extension, the other Titans.
-Tethered Supreme (The downscaling here is MUCH more severe than in the other cases, but Sage did manage to block Supreme's projectiles before they had the chance to harm Eggman, and both her and Sonic's friends moved in tandem with said projectiles. This point is the weakest, but still worth mentionning)

Not to mention base Sonic has at least 2 immeasurable speed feats of his own, and 2 debatable infinite speed feats, not counting his numerous feats of dimensionnal travel and movement in timeless voids that would be infinite or immeasurable by most standards that aren't VSBW's.

 

[Omegabronic]

Where is it ever stated, shown, or even implied that Super forms are so much faster than base forms? There's a ton of evidence that they're much more powerful, overall superior, and definitely faster to an extent but never that they're even close to being infinitely faster. There's in fact so much evidence to the contrary. Base characters have kept up with the immeasurable speed of:

-Super Mecha Sonic
-Ultimate Gemerl (through Eggman's Egg mobile, who's feat of catching up to Gemerl in Nonagression zone is already accepted)
-Perfect Chaos
-The Phantom King (through scaling to the Death Egg Robot in Forces, a vastly superior Eggman creation which runs on the same power source and, unlike the Heavy King, explicitely overclocked it)
-Super Neo Metal Sonic (Shadow power nulled him before he could react)
-Time Eater
-Wyvern, Knight, and by extension, the other Titans.
-Tethered Supreme (The downscaling here is MUCH more severe than in the other cases, but Sage did manage to block Supreme's projectiles before they had the chance to harm Eggman, and both her and Sonic's friends moved in tandem with said projectiles. This point is the weakest, but still worth mentionning)

Not to mention base Sonic has at least 2 immeasurable speed feats of his own, and 2 debatable infinite speed feats, not counting his numerous feats of dimensionnal travel and movement in timeless voids that would be infinite or immeasurable by most standards that aren't VSBW's.

Super Forms obviously make you faster, that is a no brainer, and it should be a superior amp to the likes of the spin dash, which statues base form chars with how much it amps speed, them scaling to the Super Forms of their own era in speed is simply circular, as shown with Frontiers, Super Forms grow alongside the user, so maybe they could be superior to their earlier Super Forms, but not their present ones

 

[Qawsedf234]

I wouldn't say that the Paradox Prism supports a Tier 1 rating or a stacked timeline. It shows that there's a Shatterspace containing a localized multiverse, but that's not Tier 1.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Super Forms obviously make you faster, that is a no brainer, and it should be a superior amp to the likes of the spin dash, which statues base form chars with how much it amps speed, them scaling to the Super Forms of their own era in speed is simply circular, as shown with Frontiers, Super Forms grow alongside the user, so maybe they could be superior to their earlier Super Forms, but not their present ones

Even if the Super forms are a bigger speed amp than a fully charged spin dash, (which sounds obvious, but remains an unproven premise with a lot of evidence against it) it doesn't make that much of a difference since the spin dash is being downgraded to a 4× multiplier. A Super form's peak power growing alongside its base form is a no-brainer, but it can only be evidence of circular scaling if you have actual solid proof that Super forms are in fact OVERWHELMINGLY faster than base forms, which has more counter-evidence than actual evidence as far as I can see. Even then, all your argument would do is assert that Sonic's speed scaling to the Titans is an outlier. It wouldn't debunk basically everything else.

 

[Bobsican]

Interesting. Can I ask what you mean by stacked timelines? I assume you mean Sonic's timeline existing like a sheet over the Shatterverse, like a layer atop another?

Basically there being the time of the universes, and then the time for the space that holds them, as clearly it's independant of them and would still exist if the universes vanished (if anything such space was expanding as that happened).

Tiering-wise, I mean this semantic in particular.

Of particular consideration are instances in which timelines as a whole being changed, such that there is a timeline (or multiple timelines) before they were changed and after they were changed or created / destroyed. As the timelines as a whole are changed, the before and after in this context can't be the past and future the timelines usually use, but should be a separate direction.