Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Dr. Starline had a great arc in his showdown with Dr. Eggman, I think the issue was he largely reminds people in the fandom of that cringy theatre kid you avoid in middle school.

I think what's both funny and sad about Starline is that, disturbing as it may be to the reader, the platypus could've surpassed Eggman based off his advancements with Surge and Starline, and taking over most of the Doctor's machines and army almost single handedly while being able to string around others to do dirty work. But Starline's greatest flaw was his inability to handle failure and setbacks in his plans.

Like what makes Eggman formidable as a villain is that he doesn't complain or break down when something fails, he either plans accordingly or he accepts his defeat and begins to plot his next scheme of victory. Starline, however, broke down in defeat as soon as Eggman hard countered his hypnosis glove and being slammed into the ground, ultimately resulting in him being crushed to death in #50. It just goes to show that in the end, he truly was a fanboy that knew nothing about his source of admiration.

 

[ThatBusyDude]

People are now arguing that smt is canon to Sonic or that version of Sonic is weaker than Game Sonic because of the lore in that game.

 

[Spilxson2]

I thought smt characters were Low 2-C to 1-A

 

[JJSliderman]

Hell Biker is not a particularly top tier fiend, at best he would get Low 1-C but more likely Low 2-C

 

[Alexander]

I thought smt characters were Low 2-C to 1-A

they are

 

[Alexander]

Hell Biker is not a particularly top tier fiend, at best he would get Low 1-C but more likely Low 2-C

crap

 

[ThatBusyDude]

I thought smt characters were Low 2-C to 1-A

The smt crossover might be applicable to Sonic due to being on the official Sonic channel according to the arguments and Sonic in smt being heavily implied to be from another world entirely. The scaling chain itself seems to stem from a scan that states summoned demons are weaker than their original selves (with the summoned Sonic originating from the games) and that Sonic scales above Metatron. So yeah that’s how I understand it.

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Hell Biker is not a particularly top tier fiend, at best he would get Low 1-C but more likely Low 2-C

According to the arguments the scaling actually comes from the main characters not being able to stop him even if they wanted meanwhile they could stop Lucifer, Metatron and are relative to Bayonetta/Dante.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I'm genuinely surprised that Sonic hasn't made an appearance in a mainline Persona/SMT game that isn't mobile based. I mean SEGA's owned Atlus since 2013 and are subsequently the ones who own the SMT and Persona IPs, so I would've expected SEGA to capitalize on it by having some DLC where Sonic makes an appearance as an optional boss or ally to encounter but there's just nothing. Maybe SEGA's too apprehensive over adding Sonic to a new series known to be quite a bit darker in tone to the hedgehog's own series, despite Sonic having its fair share of dark moments, but I wouldn't know and probably never will know period.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

According to the arguments the scaling actually comes from the main characters not being able to stop him even if they wanted meanwhile they could stop Lucifer, Metatron and are relative to Bayonetta/Dante.

Depending on where SMT is scaled, Game Sonic greatly benefits either way.

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Depending on where SMT is scaled, Game Sonic greatly benefits either way.

Yeah.

 

[CloverDragon03]

1-A Game Sonic GG

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Yeah.

Wanna post the scans that confirm Summoned Sonic from SMT is a fraction of the original (Game)?

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Where are the scans? I don’t see anything in the YouTube description or comments…

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Where are the scans? I don’t see anything in the YouTube description or comments…

This cord is mighty filled with them

 

[ThatBusyDude]

This cord is mighty filled with them

Nvm I was just pinged to the scans.

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Wanna post the scans that confirm Summoned Sonic from SMT is a fraction of the original (Game)?

The scans say summoned demons are weaker than their originals

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965834954573496363/1168218942549000412/Screenshot_20231029-101247.png?ex=6550f7ac&is=653e82ac&hm=470450697905bcac16c7d05b89fde767f3bb81cafa413ed4fef7d75ec1760922&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965834954573496363/1168218942993604698/Screenshot_20231029-101257.png?ex=6550f7ac&is=653e82ac&hm=523da680fb0087ccc14a55355ad3412133fc682da084daeab77f0fda169c01ee&

And Sonic’s event in smt is centered around him being summoned

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965834954573496363/1168218943350128650/Screenshot_20231029-101239.png?ex=6550f7ac&is=653e82ac&hm=f24a5403a827099ee0709a812e991b05b7e122a2e1db288bc107a098fbb3de65&

So logically speaking, whatever scaling chain he has as a demon in-game would be a no issue for the original version the summoned demon is based off of.

 

[Spilxson2]

What tier even is smt Sonic though

 

[JJSliderman]

Either Low 2-C from upscaling Matador or Low 1-C via being relative to the Four Kings, Hell Biker is kind of a weird spot.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

What tier even is smt Sonic though

I mean the protagonist couldn't do anything to stop him in any meaningful way...

 

[Spilxson2]

I mean the protagonist couldn't do anything to stop him in any meaningful way...

That doesn't explain much to me

 

[Omegabronic]

1-A Game Sonic GG

if he gains that physiology then it is GGG

 

[Spilxson2]

Game Sonic being stronger than Archie Sonic. This is even crazier than One Piece characters being upgraded to 5-C

 

[Brogeefrong]

Game Sonic being stronger than Archie Sonic. This is even crazier than One Piece characters being upgraded to 5-C

if the 2-C thread went through it would have already been the case

 

[Spilxson2]

if the 2-C thread went through it would have already been the case

What thread?

 

[Brogeefrong]

What thread?

A possible Sonic Upgrade CRT (No promises)

Ok, Here we go, I don't know if this will upgrade Sonic or not but i will try my best here, So let's start; Sonic Prime is considered Modern Sonic correct? First off; AP - Low multiverse; Sonic destroying his universe by breaking the Paradox Prism causes the destruction of his universe and...

vsbattles.com

 

[ThatBusyDude]

That doesn't explain much to me

So imagine that a character can beat Frieza, Goku, Jiren, Vegeta and Hit but can’t beat/stop Beerus if they wanted to, wouldn’t you automatically scale Beerus above those characters logically speaking? Think about it like that but with the main character against smt Sonic.

 

[JJSliderman]

Is this the protagonist at any notable point? Is there a story mode with progression?

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Is this the protagonist at any notable point? Is there a story mode with progression?

According to the argument the protagonist has fought Dante, Bayonetta, Lucifer, Vanitas and Metatron by that point.

 

[ThatBusyDude]

According to the argument the protagonist has fought Dante, Bayonetta, Lucifer, Vanitas and Metatron by that point.

Now whether that is true or not I’m not sure.

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Is this the protagonist at any notable point? Is there a story mode with progression?

There’s chapters and other stuff

 

[Spilxson2]

Wait so if SMT characters are weaker than their original counterparts then is the actual Dante going to be 1-A too?

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Wait so if SMT characters are weaker than their original counterparts then is the actual Dante going to be 1-A too?

Nah this dub sounds way too easy. This would hit like a train to vsbw.

 

[Spilxson2]

Nah this dub sounds way too easy. This would hit like a train to vsbw.

Pretty sure a ton of things have hit like a train already. Like the DC Comics downgrade to 1-C

 

[ThatBusyDude]

Pretty sure a ton of things have hit like a train already. Like the DC Comics downgrade to 1-C

Maybe I should’ve said like a nuke then because giving Sonic and Dante an upgrade like this seemed a bit unrealistic (until now).

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Pretty sure a ton of things have hit like a train already. Like the DC Comics downgrade to 1-C

DC got an undeserved nerf imo
I want a comeback

 

[Spilxson2]

DC got an undeserved nerf imo
I want a comeback

Maybe it'll get one at some point. Hopefully there's someone out there who can look through and make characters overpowered again. Until then, I'll be looking at that one really well put together CSAP Wiki profile of Post-Crisis Superman

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

DC got an undeserved nerf imo
I want a comeback

Tbh I don't think DC's downgrade was "undeserved" in my opinion. Like I look at the current DC Cosmology blog and the numerous threads discussing the power of characters like Post Crisis Superman and, it turns out, when you know the context of the innumerable scans on the internet it paints the picture that DC's crazy power and cosmology was actually not as concrete as it was believed to be.

And I don't think it was out of malicious intent to downgrade DC, no I feel some people actually took the time and effort to look deeper into it and saw that there were a lot of flaws to DC's previous ratings

 

[Alexander]

can someone explain me why we give sonic limited space-time manipulation for returning time and space from the white space?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

can someone explain me why we give sonic limited space-time manipulation for returning time and space from the white space?

Since he only used it for a specific purpose, it's not like he used it to attack with or anything.