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Hm alrightI left my thoughts here.
Honestly though the Yonko scaling can be handled separately to this quite easily. There's not a lot of overlap.
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Hm alrightI left my thoughts here.
Honestly though the Yonko scaling can be handled separately to this quite easily. There's not a lot of overlap.
The Yonko scaling might actually be the easiest revision I could think of. The scaling is currently accepted, it's just downgrades.Honestly, I think this CRT should be wrapped up asap, since we will have to tackle the new scaling of yonko getting downgraded to baseline 6-B, and admirals getting downgraded to Low 6-B, so what should we do here?
Unless you guys talked about this earlier, at least Linlin's tiers are still confusing af.The Yonko scaling might actually be the easiest revision I could think of. The scaling is currently accepted, it's just downgrades.
nvm its easy scaling, yonkos, and admirals all go to baseline 6-B lolThe Yonko scaling might actually be the easiest revision I could think of. The scaling is currently accepted, it's just downgrades.
Don't bring that upG4th Boundman > G3rd > G4th Snakeman
This isn't fully true... We do see around them a big Shockwave and damage when Conqueror's haki clash is involved link, link and link (the normal lightning one is the only one we can't prove)For the case of conqueor's clashing or any other clash where lightning is shown (like Sanji vs King) we don't have information to suggest it's anything more than a visual effect
just true xDDon't bring that up
Fair enough, but those shockwaves are weaker than whatevee their weakest key is, again something to mention on the haki page itself and maybe range with Haoshoku haki, but not it's own seperate tiering.
Would we be okay in adding "higher with Haki" as I suggested for each character?Fair enough, but those shockwaves are weaker than whatevee their weakest key is, again something to mention on the haki page itself and maybe range with Haoshoku haki, but not it's own seperate tiering.
MaybeWould we be okay in adding "higher with Haki" as I suggested for each character?
The issue is... Is Trebol's AP the minimum amount of force required to injure Usopp? Is it impossible for Usopp to be hurt by something weaker?Anyways, further support for Usopp's durability is he took a beating from Trebol who as an officer should at the very least be comparable to the soldiers in the donquixote family considering Bellamy wanted to raise in rank to be an officer by proving his strength in the Colosseum.
For Armament Haki? I'm unsure since it would make a lot of profiles a lot bigger (especially for ones with many keys), but I do see the point in mentioning it for characters who are noticeably different with and without it (or are implied to be) instead of just everyone who possesses it.Would we be okay in adding "higher with Haki" as I suggested for each character?
SameI agree with Emin
I tried looking and the only durability scaling I personally found for Usopp up to dressrosa is from Caesar and Trebol.The issue is... Is Trebol's AP the minimum amount of force required to injure Usopp? Is it impossible for Usopp to be hurt by something weaker?
Because if that's not the case, then Hody Jones potentially harming Usopp doesn't mean he's necessarily as strong as Trebol.
For necessity, we could just put it under AP and Durability with the simple "higher with Busoshoku: Koka" (or just Busoshoku). No justification would be needed in any case since the readers automatically know Haki to be a physical amp.For Armament Haki? I'm unsure since it would make a lot of profiles a lot bigger (especially for ones with many keys), but I do see the point in mentioning it for characters who are noticeably different with and without it (or are implied to be) instead of just everyone who possesses it.
Personally I think it would be best to identify those who have displayed notable differences in statistics when using haki and apply the higher to them (or wherever they scale with haki for that matter), I think some characters in the sandbox already have that applied to them as well.
Still would prefer how we currently do itFor necessity, we could just put it under AP and Durability with the simple "higher with Busoshoku: Koka" (or just Busoshoku). No justification would be needed in any case since the readers automatically know Haki to be a physical amp.
Cases where people jump literal tiers via the use of Haki (going from 7-A normally, hurting people with High 7-A Dura w/ Haki strikes) would need to be listed as something like "Large Mountain level with Busoshoku: Koka (Hurt x character and caused them to bleed)."
Pretty much agree with your concerns.
I agree tooPretty much agree with your concerns.
Pedro was because Jack and his army only tortured the strongest minks, and Carrot was not one of the tortured. Added.
WouldThis isn't an Attack Potency feat for Franky.
Be fine? Currently added, will remove if necessary.Can harm those who match his AP, like Senor Pink"
This was the current justification. Removed.Stronger compared to who specifically?
This was currently in the profileOrlumbus' Attack Potency shouldn't be scaling from his durability. That's not a justification. And why should be comparable to the others?
Giolla wasn't harmed to the point of Buffalo and them. She took 1 sword wound from Brook then got jumped, then took a lightning strike from Nami and was relatively fine.Giolla scaling to Large Mountain level and Buffalo is scaling to City level even though it is essentially the same feat.
Needs to be removedAlso, if Usopp's feat of knocking out a critically injured Buffalo is no longer valid, why is his feat of knocking out a critically injured Caeser Clown valid?
Removed. It was there prior.This isn't an AP justification for Brulee.
Removed. It was there prior.Mont-d'Or must be? According to what?
Bellamy should probably get scaling for defeating the brothers who in turn could damage the Black Knight--which is still a sketchy feat imho (also I'm assuming he still scales relative to Base Luffy + Haki while using Haki himself)[Bellamy] - Stronger compared to who specifically?
Orlumbus' Attack Potency shouldn't be scaling from his durability. That's not a justification. And why should be comparable to the others?
Giolla scaling to Large Mountain level and Buffalo is scaling to City level even though it is essentially the same feat.
Also, if Usopp's feat of knocking out a critically injured Buffalo is no longer valid, why is his feat of knocking out a critically injured Caeser Clown valid?
This isn't an AP justification for Brulee.
Mont-d'Or must be? According to what?
For what? Trebol beat him off panel. For all we know, he could've one-shot him or just bludgeoned him until he was unconsciousI think usopp's durability at least should scale to trebol
For what? Trebol beat him off panel. For all we know, he could've one-shot him or just bludgeoned him until he was unconscious
I agree with this.
Doesn't look like a One Shot to me, looks like a battle.
"Terrible battle raging" with people chanting ≠ one shot
the people who are making comments about a "raging battle" are the toys who do not see what is going on. We later see Usopp captured and beaten while both opponents are completely unscathed. This is a red-herring since we're led to assume "Oh, so Usopp is going toe to toe with 2 executives? nice!" just like how Franky was fighting 2, then 3 before losing.
Doesn't look like a One Shot to me, looks like a battle.
"Terrible battle raging" with people chanting ≠ one shot
not true. We clearly see in the picture the sound effects through the entire area with smoke coming around. This doesn't mean it ends up with an entire grab, meaning it had to have gone out for a bit while, plus trebol felt the need to restrain him as well. If it was a oneshot, we clearly wouldn't be seeing that.the people who are making comments about a "raging battle" are the toys who do not see what is going on. We later see Usopp captured and beaten while both opponents are completely unscathed. This is a red-herring since we're led to assume "Oh, so Usopp is going toe to toe with 2 executives? nice!" just like how Franky was fighting 2, then 3 before losing.
We all know Usopp is a ranged user, so this "fight" probably ended the second Trebol grabbed him.
"Not true" to what?not true. We clearly see in the picture the sound effects through the entire area with smoke coming around. This doesn't mean it ends up with an entire grab, meaning it had to have gone out for a bit while, plus trebol felt the need to restrain him as well. If it was a oneshot, we clearly wouldn't be seeing that.
The point I was trying to make was that it was obviously not a oneshot which it clearly wasn’t by what was shown via the effects, but you do have decent points otherwise"Not true" to what?
The toys can not see the fight, and even say as such. We only see explosions going off, which doesn't mean Trebol and Usopp are trading blows with their explosive ammunition. We saw Usopp as the aggressor from the very start. You want to scale him relative to someone who a) was shown unscathed by the end, and b) easily incapacitated Usopp anyways?
Trebol "felt the need" to restrain Usopp because they captured him, and were going to torture him... hence why Sugar tried to kill him in a painful way via the 'poisoned' grape instead of merely letting Trebol blow him up.
Explain how these panels are meant to suggest Usopp somehow scales to Trebol.
@joshpiece Yes.
- It starts with Usopp cutting Trebol's fake body into a few pieces, then goes off-panel as we begin focusing on Kyros' backstory.
- We then get a page where it's implied by the toys that there "is a fierce battle happening", then in the VERY NEXT PAGE,
- Usopp is defeated and Trebol/Sugar are making light of him.