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Well for starters, do we have any other way to scale usopp's dura? All we really have are trebol, and caesar, for his post timeskip key
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Some Random One Piece CRT
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Yeah, "at least 7C (trained his body for two years since his fight with CP9)", i think this one is undeniable at least.
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i still prefer 7-B
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Yeah, if all else fails then this exists.
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Fishman island, because it is.
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Actually, now that I think about it, I'm not sure why Asura would amplify his durability.
The extra AP he gains would be spread out among the other limbs/heads, so it's not like each of his arms is having to endure three times the striking strength he normally has. Albeit these other limbs/heads are suggested to be an illusion which complicates it.
The extra AP he gains would be spread out among the other limbs/heads, so it's not like each of his arms is having to endure three times the striking strength he normally has. Albeit these other limbs/heads are suggested to be an illusion which complicates it.
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I'm assuming since they're purely an illusion it wouldn't work like that, I'll wait for more input though. All though with the cases of it parrying Hybrid Kaido's blows and possibly blocking the Amane Dachi to me it suggests an increase in durability from his base self.
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I mean, we currently rate TB Sanji's durability as L7B, but in his case we rate it "at all times" instead of "with DJ" so one of them is wrong, but no matter what i don't like the idea of scaling their dura to special attacks (if we are going to i think "at all times" is better tho, it's their body that is withstanding it after all), so how are we going to solve this? Because if we can really do it some additions need to be done to the reworked profiles and some pre-TS ones.
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Using the Amane Dachi example it's clearly the case that Zoro's normal body wouldn't have been able to as effortlessly deal with it like Asura did so I disagree with Asura's AP scaling to Base Zoro's durability. The same with Asura Zoro parrying Hybrid Kaido's strikes, both of these don't seem like feats regular Zoro wouldn't be capable off and to me suggests a durability increase for the form.
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Yeah, makes sense, in Luffy's case it would be fine due to the Gomu Gomu, right? In any case, i think we will need to change Sanji's profile, and add DJ's dura for the blog.
Also, i want to add that the scaling around Sanji is a bit messy due to everything being in a single key, i think he should have a key up to Dressrosa and another one for WCI. I will go in more detail later today
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Yeah it wouldn't matter much with Luffy, that could be the case with Sanji or it's covered by his fire/heat resistance on his profile.
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DJ also increase his speed and power, fire is just a side effect so it wouldn't make sense for heat resistance to cover it.
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Sanji claims that his leg gaining plenty of heat and attacking speed is what results in the destructive power of diable Jambe, I guess it's true though that his body would need to be able to naturally withstand the speed increase of Diable Jambe.
Although I remember in WCI after Sanji used Diable Jambe for a prolonged time hitting Luffy his leg was wincing.
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Alright, so what do you guys think about scaling usopps durability to Caesar? With gastanet?
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The attack that one-shot him? An explosion that he also wouldn't be scaling 100% to since surface area of explosions is a thing and that explosion hit somebody else at the same time. Scaling durability from explosions can be tricky thing outside of a few situations as the Explosion Yield calculations page says.
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Your link doesn’t work
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If you scroll up, didn’t tempest already explain why he scales?
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I mean link it
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One person can have an opinion on why someone scales and another person can have an opinion on why they don't.
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Lmao that’s fair, but I still agree with tempest since his point makes more sense from what it looks like
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Anyways, we need to add crocodile, burgess, and sabo to the sandbox too
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I don't know why yall keep bringing up this "one shot" point like I haven't brought it up and explained/debunked it several times before. Now I'm not on the thread for a few days and yall wanna bring it up again.
Usopp got oxygen ripped from his lungs and was getting beat up, and he got knocked out from the combined pain. His durability scales because he was not wounded from the explosion and his body was perfectly fine, just like Sanji's body which Nami said was a durability feat.
Surface Area nothing, Caesar had 2 Gastanets in his hands and he put 1 hand on their shoulders each and they blew up while on contact with the others. The entire explosion hit them.
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Trebol slammed a ship into Usopp and he was fine.
Usopp wasn't scared of Trebol, which we've established earlier in the thread to be a serious thing.
We see them fighting, and we can read the onomatopoeia in the Viz translation which shows that there were attacks being thrown (unless Kapow and Kadoom don't mean attacks were being thrown).
Cavendish, Hajrudin, and some other scrubs were staring at the fight and considered the possibility of being freed, which mean that he was actually putting in work.
We see one opponent completely unscathed. Sugar didn't throw a punch. The person who Usopp fought left the scene completely. We don't see him for chapters.
At the minimum, Usopp's durability should scale. If we want to be daring we can say "Usopp can harm those who harm him" for his AP.
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This isn't a line of reasoning I can seriously accept. Usopp was literally running away in terror moments ago, and he turned back to help only because the Tontotta's were calling for him.
This is an antifeat for Usopp more than anything. Being hurt by a rubble from a collapsing building.
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He turned around to help because he promised he would help.
Running away ≠ Scared. Usopp wasn't scared of Neptune at all and he ran away.
Getting minor bruises from a ship bring slammed into you and rubble falling is not an antifeat in the slightest
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You can believe whatever you want, but the conclusion I draw from this page is that Usopp is running away because he's scared.
Personally, I don't like the notion of scaling Usopp based around what he is and isn't scared of anyway. I consider feats to be way more valuable than that.
Depending on what you scale to, and what the damage of falling rubble does, sure, it's not necessarily an antifeat, but it can be in this case depending on what it is being argued that Usopp scales to.
Right now the sandbox doesn't look finished in some places so I'll wait for it to be ready.
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Not at all.
We've finished scaling off of relative rank unless it's proven that it should be like that, so 2 people in the same position wouldn't qualify for something like that.
Vergo hasn't been a corazon for 15 years. He most likely would've gotten stronger.
Trebol got knocked off his ass by an injured and tired base Luffy who's not High 7-A. And we can't say "oh well maybe Luffy is High 7-A" because all these people scale from base Luffy's AP.
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Fair perspective
Fair, but this looks clearly like a large amount of bs. If rubble hurt him then he should've died from the several explosions and hits he's taken pre timeskip.
I deliberately left some horrid justifications because I wanted to see what people were focusing on. Thank you @Emin offsite for noticing and giving me insight on those revisions.
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1) Show me evidence of Trebol's ship-slam actually hitting Usopp directly. For all we know, he and Robin suffered damage from a glancing strike, or not even being touched by the ship at all. We see Usopp buried under some rubble. The argument can be made that a rock hit im in the face while the building collapsed. This is not a good enough argument to "prove" Usopp ~ Trebol.
2) Usopp was scared of Trebol and ran. However, I would like to point out, Bravery =/= AP/Dura. We see people confident in their abilities, yet being easily taken out in shounen quite regularly.
3) We do NOT see them fighting. All we can assume is that Usopp is shooting attacks until he is captured. We see so much evidence that he was the aggressor and still didn't do anything to Trebol or Sugar physically, and he was easily captured.
4) Yet again, using the toys' perspective is not reliable in any way. They are claiming they wish to see what Usopp looks like, confirming 100% that none of them see the "Battle" that is going on. They are merely wishing for Usopp's success, since that would mean their freedom.
5) You are suggesting Usopp actually hurt Trebol? Show me where. We see Trebol several times after the "fight", actually. A panel talking to Doffy, another panel telling Sugar to calm down, and we don't even see a scratch on him, nor was there ever one to begin with.
6) Usopp's Durability should not scale. We never see him actually take blows from Trebol, and when we cut back to him after Kyros' flashback, he was utterly defeated and it's implied to have been a farce according to Sugar and Trebol.
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He should still scale to Caesar for the arguments given above, which include tanking gastanet
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Btw, Nami suffered damage while in Sanji's body, right?
Also, i know this is revision is more about the stats than other things, but why do we rank Sanji's buso as inept? He didn't need any notable amount of focus during his fight with Judge iirc (and the minimum to get rudimentary is to use it without focus and effort).
Also, i know this is revision is more about the stats than other things, but why do we rank Sanji's buso as inept? He didn't need any notable amount of focus during his fight with Judge iirc (and the minimum to get rudimentary is to use it without focus and effort).
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Yeah, I guess he could get rudimentary.
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Trebol was on his way to go help Doffy when he got blindsided by an injured and tired Base Luffy. And clearly it did nothing to him since his annoying ass was screaming "Doffy!" again seconds later.
Also, this is what Robin had to say about Trebol after examining a fly he shot down:
So he should at least scale from her.
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Yo link not working juss lyk. Maybe Imgur ****** up rn.
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I fixed it.
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