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Not only that if we accept your calc we would have to rescale all other planets that people have calc'd as well
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Some questions about calculating planet sizes and even universe size.
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I agree with this
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@Hellbeast1
Who exactly do you agree with?
@Popular Loser
If the planet isn't earth, it has stated measurements that you can pixelscale, then I don't see why you can't calc the size of the planet, this should be allowed for planets that fit this bill
Who exactly do you agree with?
@Popular Loser
If the planet isn't earth, it has stated measurements that you can pixelscale, then I don't see why you can't calc the size of the planet, this should be allowed for planets that fit this bill
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M3X's proposal
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Actually, rereading the thread, I think im going to have to change my mind.
@Demon technically a source gave a measurement
You didn't do a random pixel scale, it was used from an character giving a distance. I think that in itself is enough for fairy tail to have a different sized planet.
@Demon technically a source gave a measurement
You didn't do a random pixel scale, it was used from an character giving a distance. I think that in itself is enough for fairy tail to have a different sized planet.
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I don't think the FT planet should be assumed to be earth sized. If no information was given, then yes. However, We have a official inverse statement of the diatance between two towns, when scaled it gives the planet a value of the country being 1/3 the size of earth. While that country is one of the smallest inverse.
Also, the whole world of FT is completely different from the geographical appearance to the cosmology of the verse. Nothing contradicts it being that size.
Also, the whole world of FT is completely different from the geographical appearance to the cosmology of the verse. Nothing contradicts it being that size.
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I agree that if a planet doesn't have any statement about the size or any other direct evidence indicating such, they should be treated as the same size as the Earth. And it should apply even though the planet has different gravity, etc. Calcing and inflating the results involve a whole lot of assumptions in these cases.
As for the DB universe size mentioned in the OP, it's pretty self explanatory that it has clear and direct evidence of being bigger than a normal observable universe due to the map drawn by the creator that includes several other realms of comparable sizes.
As for the DB universe size mentioned in the OP, it's pretty self explanatory that it has clear and direct evidence of being bigger than a normal observable universe due to the map drawn by the creator that includes several other realms of comparable sizes.
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Fairy Tail does have direct evidence that indicates the Planet is bigger than Earth
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Have I just been bamboozled
hoodwinked
hornswoggled
hoodwinked
hornswoggled
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But his pixel scaling came from a legit character measuring a distance.
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"Inconsistent art" I don't quite get this point, it's not like the FT size calc was made by calculating the size of an object then applying it to the rest of everything, the series doesn't even ever give a massive shot of the distances in question ie Mongolia to Hargeon , we are given a specific distance in universe by a credible source, then this distance is applied on to maps that are consistent with each other to get our size.
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We coud literally say that about yhwach's '''planet''' sized city
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What? Since when does Yhwach have a planet sized city? I was certain that it's been a city the size of a country for a good long while nowThe Popular Loser said:
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Hohoho '''''PIXEL SCALING'''''
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Yeah no, I checked our accepted sizes and it's not planet sized, it's about 500km in radius. I have no clue what you're on about
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At least Planet level (Absorbed a weakened Soul King after absorbing Mimihagi, Lifted the Wandenreich) | At least Planet level
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@The Popular Loser; that's his AP. Not the size of the Wandenreich.
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That's for lifting the Wandereich-which has a radius of 509km- at sub-relativistic to Relativistic speeds and applying the KE, not because the city is the size of a planet
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Ah It seems I have been bamboozled yet again,,
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I don't get the inconsistency with art. From what I've seen we have a close up drawing of fiore and a drawing 9f the whole world.
I can see being argued inconsistent due to fiore looks slightly different, however, even when comparing our drawings of a cup try close up and on a whole world look slightly different.
If there are multiple different versions of the world maybe each differing in size. The only thing we could do is pixelscale all of them and find a suitable, while the world map may be contradicted (assuming if this is the case), the size of fiore wouldn't.
I can see being argued inconsistent due to fiore looks slightly different, however, even when comparing our drawings of a cup try close up and on a whole world look slightly different.
If there are multiple different versions of the world maybe each differing in size. The only thing we could do is pixelscale all of them and find a suitable, while the world map may be contradicted (assuming if this is the case), the size of fiore wouldn't.
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I believe that using stated values to get the size of the planet isn't a problem. If we go by this logic, we'd have to dismiss almost every calc in the site due to relying on pixel scaling that, in many if not most cases, uses assumed sizes (like the famous 'average man's height').
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Does every pixel scaling calc use Earth's curvature to find the size of Earth? No.
We already went in detail why using a shot of Earth's curvature from space or a high altitude place is a no-no (https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3102040). And FT uses the same thing.
We already went in detail why using a shot of Earth's curvature from space or a high altitude place is a no-no (https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3102040). And FT uses the same thing.
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When it comes to curvature, yes, that's obviously not accepted unless the shot is very clear. But there are verses using the full view of the planet, a map, or aerial shots to provide such information.
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@AKM Sama
That would be a fair argument if the curvature of the planet whas the only thing to go on for the size of the planet, but their are plenty of maps, some of which just have one continent that all show the Planet being bigger than Earth, so it's supported by everything in the verse that the Planet is bigger than Earth
That would be a fair argument if the curvature of the planet whas the only thing to go on for the size of the planet, but their are plenty of maps, some of which just have one continent that all show the Planet being bigger than Earth, so it's supported by everything in the verse that the Planet is bigger than Earth
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If this gets accepted for FT, what happens with Naruto and One Piece? Will they also be able to use calced planet sizes as well?
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I don't want this to turn into a slippery slope of people trying to wank calcs as high as they can get.
Let's not forget that a while ago somebody almost got a calc accepted on here that would put the One Piece world to be twice as big as the Sun.
We need to have some standards.
Let's not forget that a while ago somebody almost got a calc accepted on here that would put the One Piece world to be twice as big as the Sun.
We need to have some standards.
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Dunno about Naruto, but OP has several statements about islands and locations.
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The only time that you should be able to calc a Planet's Size are...
1. The Planet isn't Real Life Earth
2. There are actual measurements given by a reliable source in the story that you can use
3. There are multiple sources (Either maps, images or otherwise) that suggest the planet being bigger
4. There is no evidence against the planet being larger
Only if these things are met, do I think you should be able to calc the size of the planet, I don't think you are required to have a direct statement that the planet is bigger than real life earth, because that's pretty silly, very few times will a fictional verse with a different planet be able to compare their planet to IRL Earth, because there would be no IRL Earth once again, this could apply to any verse, at least, that's what I think
And I think Fairy Tail fits this bill
1. The Planet isn't Real Life Earth
2. There are actual measurements given by a reliable source in the story that you can use
3. There are multiple sources (Either maps, images or otherwise) that suggest the planet being bigger
4. There is no evidence against the planet being larger
Only if these things are met, do I think you should be able to calc the size of the planet, I don't think you are required to have a direct statement that the planet is bigger than real life earth, because that's pretty silly, very few times will a fictional verse with a different planet be able to compare their planet to IRL Earth, because there would be no IRL Earth once again, this could apply to any verse, at least, that's what I think
And I think Fairy Tail fits this bill
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if Mitch's calculation is accepted, will the power of the phoenix and Deus sema diminish ?
if there are statements of a character talking about distance between two cities, I think it should be used
if there are statements of a character talking about distance between two cities, I think it should be used
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Having a statement like that could only happen if 1) The series takes place in a universe where it has some knowledge of our earth/universe, or 2) Some Author statement in and outside the source materials.
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Just wondering, what makes using the FT map inaccurate but the DB map acceptable?
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There's nothing that makes the Fairy Tail map innacurate, it's just that people still have doubts
Also can we highlight this, I feel that is necessary
Also can we highlight this, I feel that is necessary
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Unless there's an accurate distance given in the series to scale from I don't think we should pixel scale.
That's the only reason I'm agreeing to it with Fairy Tail and disagreeing regarding Naruto and OP
That's the only reason I'm agreeing to it with Fairy Tail and disagreeing regarding Naruto and OP
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The diameter of the Earth in that calc is clearly calculated based on pixel scaling a shot of Earth's curvature which is a faulty method. Which other proof are you talking about?DemonGodMitchAubin said:
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@AKM Sama
There are plenty of Maps that have One Continent being larger than the circumference of the earth, and there are at least 3 continents on the planet, It's supported by by non curvature sources that the planet is bigger
There are plenty of Maps that have One Continent being larger than the circumference of the earth, and there are at least 3 continents on the planet, It's supported by by non curvature sources that the planet is bigger
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OP doesn't use that anymore, and it was based on an accurate distance anyway.The Popular Loser said:
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Was the size of the continent mentioned or calculated? If it's the latter then I'd like to see it. Not that I'm trying to disprove anything here and FT Earth might as well be bigger than our Earth, but as far as its exact size is concerned, the calc linked in the OP makes use of a faulty method so I'm afraid that number won't be usable.
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