Solidifying Princess Zelda's Tier

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not Hylia. Actually Zelda. As her profile is composites, she must have some feats in at least one incarnation that's above the absolute fodder of the verse (Dodongos). Shiek (OoT Zelda) survived getting stomped by Bongo Bongo with no serious injuries. And Light Arrows are undoubtably Moon Level (the "they only stun Ganon" as opposed to hurting him argument is absolute bs). Her BoTW incarnation blocked Guardian attacks. Her MC incarnation holds the Light Force. I got nothing else. Ganon was holding back the first time he one-shotted Tetra, and the second time should be no different. Zelda should probably be Large Mountain if I'm to give an honest opinion, at least in durability and barriers, but nothing higher without her arrows.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I guess this is reasonable.

 

[PaChi2]

Am I having a deja vu? This is like the 5th time you are trying to give Zelda a rating for her to lose it and then recover it, then lose it...?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

If by 5th you mean 2nd or 3rd, then yes

 

[PaChi2]

More like 3rd at least that I know of.

The same arguments are brought up everytime. It gets quite tiring.

You know that I agree with this, right?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not mind upgrading composite Zelda, but we must have something concrete to scale from.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I'm not too sure how to scale her physically, the only concrete tiring I can think for Zelda is her BOTW incarnation being able to breifly hold back Dark Beast Ganon, but thats only with her magic.

My personal suggestion would be:

Unknown physically, at least 5-C to at least 4-C via magic (Depending on the incarnation)

Reasoning for this is that theres not enough conclusive evidence to give her a solid ranking physically, but she has affected multiple characters with her magic. The moon level ranking would come from OOT where she breifly held down Ganon while Link struck the final blow.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxjh_qnRGmI

At the 3:20 mark you can even hear Ganon roar in pain which means it obviously hurt him.

Spoilers for BOTW for those who haven't played it yet and want to go in blind, but Zeldas star level ranking from this game would come her being able to hold back and weaken Dark Beast Ganon who scales to Demise.

I'm fine with having Zelda be Large Mountain level physically, but as Cal said she should not be any higher without Light Arrows and magic.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I always thought it was obvious that Zelda should scale to Ganondorf with Light Arrows.

 

[PaChi2]

What about TP, Zelda fights alongside Link, both riding Epona, and they both take attacks from Ganondorf, unless you want to believe that only link receives the attacks.

I think its safe to scale Zelda's dura to TP ganondorf's AP at least.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Nah, she's a Glass Canon. Her Light Arrows are much more powerful than her ordinary strength.

 

[PaChi2]

Why do you say that when TP Zelda's body has:

1) Taken a beating from link while possessed by Ganondorf.

https://youtu.be/M2cNfbdQeic

2) Taken attacks directly from ganondorf.

https://youtu.be/6Bs6oKBVhSA

We are talking about Composite Zelda, right? So this particular incarnation of Zelda seems to be on par with the other Triforce users. It doesnt mean that the other Zeldas arent glass cannons, just this one seems stronger.

 

[Dust_Collector]

The thing with Zeldas body at that point is that her soul isn't even in it. It's possible that because its Ganons soul within the body that its just his durability applied to her body, although thats just speculation on my part.

And Zelda also doesn't take any hits at all during the horseback fight, only Link does as evidenced by how he's sent flying off Epona when Ganondorf strikes him while Zelda is perfectly fine. Zelda should scale to Link and Ganon via her magic and light arrows but I doubt any incarnation of her can scale to them physically.

 

[PaChi2]

1) Its a matter of headcannon, then.

2)You cant have zelda fall from the horse gameplay-wise. If TP zelda wasnt capable of taking Ganondorf's hits I doubt Link would let her join him in the battle, it wouldnt be the first time that Link has wielded Light Arrows to beat Ganon.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I know this was discussed a while back, but weren't we going to scale her from Spirit Tracks Link and Malladus? Phantom Zelda is physically surperior to that incarnation of Link; and she was also capable of taking hits from Malladus in her normal body; she wasn't even a phantom during the final phase. There was also the Ganondorf scalings listed above; she also was able to take up to four hits from Ganon in Four Swords Adventure. I believe she should be Moon Level AP and Durability, and Relativistic Speed

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I can't do Moon without getting serious backlash (though relativistic speed is fine). She should be "At least High 7-A," as she with the Light Force could restore Hyrule with the help of the Mage's Cap, she can take a beating from Bongo Bongo, and she could help fight Malladus.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That's understandable, but her first key still says composite Zelda; which strongly implies at her peak. Unless we give her three keys; Base | Composite | Hylia we might want to change the first key from composite Zelda to base form. Her base would definately be at least High 7-A, for the things mentioned above. I'm fine either way if the composite key stays or gets removed; but she should scale to Spirit Tracks Link and Malladus if the Composite Key stays.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Problem is, many, many bases are athletic human at best. Only Minish Cap and Spirit Tracks Zelda are that strong.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There's also Wind Waker and Twilight Princess having AP and Reaction Speed that high, but fair enough. I'm fine with at least High 7-A and Relativistic Speed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

WW and TP through Light Arrows only. But I agree that all are relativistic in reactions.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm fine with High 7-A, and scaling to Ganon with Light Arrows, and Relativistic.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ok. I'll upgrade her then.