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@Rocker yes it does work like that. You just need proper scaling. Which is easy for Goku
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Since this is possible now, Naruto takes on Goku
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I agree with glassman.
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It literally never has. everytime you say that someone ccurbstomps people that are at a high level we literally always just say that they are stronger and dont assume their AP.Theglassman12 said:
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Doesn't matter how big is his curbstomp chain,still scales to 69.
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Either way isnt grace period over now? This needs to be added.
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@Rocker there's a clear difference from being stronger than someone, and completely flooring them in a fight. One is far more impressive than the other.
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that's some tragic scaling
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That is hoiw it has always worked you would need a CRT to change it.DisharmonyCrisis said:
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he stumped a 69zt opponent. We can only assume he is at best somewhere in the 100s at least tbh and tbf
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@Astral you're completely ignoring everyone else that trumps Piccolo in the early series.
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One of the many problems but I digress
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no one but Nappa and Vegeta tho, do you consider Radditz who got killed by Piccolo to scale above him lol
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Anyway guys grace period is over can we finally have this added?
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@Astral you mean the same green guy that could only kill him with prep time and his strongest attack ever?
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Radditz is comparable to both Piccolo and Goku at the same time at the end of the day. The fact that Piccolo rasied his ap so high to one shot Radditz means that radditz was only above 69zt by a little and Piccolo using SP beam canon should have logically been around 88 to 96zt tbh. Thats the problem with power scaling at the end of the day we have use assumptions. Also Sp beam canon is a piercing attack if anyone thinks it shouldnt have damaged him that much
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@Astral
you're completely ignoring the fact that Piccolo wasn't using his full power when he busted the moon. Piccolo did the same blast to Raditz and he shrugged it off. There's no assumption to be needed when the scaling is clear as day. A piercing attack that is stated to have a higher power level than Raditz when it fired? Right, cause that TOTALLY debunks the scaling.
you're completely ignoring the fact that Piccolo wasn't using his full power when he busted the moon. Piccolo did the same blast to Raditz and he shrugged it off. There's no assumption to be needed when the scaling is clear as day. A piercing attack that is stated to have a higher power level than Raditz when it fired? Right, cause that TOTALLY debunks the scaling.
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but he oneshotted Radditz with his full power SP beam canon that is above his moon busting feat. The scaling with Radditz doesnt seem to make any sense at all anyway since he had to put some effort into blocking Goku's kamehameha instead of deflecting it and then gets hurt by a kid gohan
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@Astral you mean the same characters that can control their ki to the point of tricking their opponents that rely on scouters? No, it does make sense when you have Raditz figuring out that they can literally control their power levels at will. Goku's kamehameha was him using his full power, and you're ignoring the entire point of Gohan's anger being what makes him stronger than a lot of people around him numerous times.
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gohan didnt get stronger than Radditz thats not what im saying he was just able to harm radditz when no one else could and also gohan's anger power can be overcame if the gape between the enemy is big enough logically.
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@Astral yes he did. His anger made him stronger. That's why he's able to remotely keep up with the Z-Fighters.
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angry Gohan wasnt stronger than Frieza and i fail to see any proof of that besides him harming Radditz.
THis is boring and the thread has been resolved so im out
THis is boring and the thread has been resolved so im out
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@Astral I never said that his anger made him stronger than frieza, I said that his anger is the reason why he's able to remotely keep up with the Z fighters.
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talking about Piccolo shouldn't he have a higher with special beam canon on his profile?
as during the Saiyan saga, it was shown Special Beam Canon >Raditz>Goku/=Piccolo
as during the Saiyan saga, it was shown Special Beam Canon >Raditz>Goku/=Piccolo
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@Shadow I guess, but the attack needed prep time for it to work.
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indeed.
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@BMW the reasons personally don't hold much weight and some people are just honestly downplaying Goku.
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how do you downplay someone with no resistance to hax??? Everyone has the same reason. Naruto is too versatile for Goku, shadow clones were actually being downplayed while someone said Madara clones being durable is excused because he is madara lol. Shadow clones from naruto literally cant be one shotted depending on how much chakra he puts in them
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Smarter and more versatile doesn't hold much ground. I can argue that Goku is a much better fighter than Naruto based on what we've seen in old school Dragon ball. Versatility also doesn't help when Goku at this point has a power amping ability that he uses a lot, and has been able to withstand the stress numerous times to overwhelm his opponents.
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really a much better figther lol?? Shadow clones coming at goku from the every direction with 5B ap and you expect him to beat them all with fighting lol??? Naruto also uses Frog Kata in his sage form always which is taijutsu. Naruto also has power amping abilities too bro.
TMW you realize this is Adult Naruto lol, no im giving the edge in fighting to Naruto lol. His taijutsu compared to his teenage self is way better. Adult Naruto not only has more experience compared to Goku at this point in time but his fighting style can literally switch up out of no where since he fights different compared to his teenage self. Naruto also is crafty when it comes to combat, and it does means something when your opponent is smarter and versatile. Naruto can literally trick Goku with shadow clones and substitution jutsu while hiding underground and pop up outa nowhere with a futon release rasengan which also ingore durability to an extent but i dont know why people forget the rasengan can do that too or he can literally turn a rasen shuriken into a shadow clone and trick goku into getting close to it only to be caught in a trap and hurt in the inside. ALso if you didnt know but the FRS also seals power to a extent by stopping the flow of energy in the body.
You can keep debating for goku for the same reason but you will just keep getting countered. The reasons for Naruto winning are perfectly valid
TMW you realize this is Adult Naruto lol, no im giving the edge in fighting to Naruto lol. His taijutsu compared to his teenage self is way better. Adult Naruto not only has more experience compared to Goku at this point in time but his fighting style can literally switch up out of no where since he fights different compared to his teenage self. Naruto also is crafty when it comes to combat, and it does means something when your opponent is smarter and versatile. Naruto can literally trick Goku with shadow clones and substitution jutsu while hiding underground and pop up outa nowhere with a futon release rasengan which also ingore durability to an extent but i dont know why people forget the rasengan can do that too or he can literally turn a rasen shuriken into a shadow clone and trick goku into getting close to it only to be caught in a trap and hurt in the inside. ALso if you didnt know but the FRS also seals power to a extent by stopping the flow of energy in the body.
You can keep debating for goku for the same reason but you will just keep getting countered. The reasons for Naruto winning are perfectly valid
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Taijutsu and shadow clones, yeah that's a totally impressive feat to have, except that you're forgetting one small little detail: Goku has shown to adapt to uphill situation on the fly. Arguably faster and more efficiently than Naruto.
Goku has been able to not only replicate energy based attacks on the fly without any form of training, any deadly technique that he has faced against he's able to overcome it. Goku being able to replicate the kamehameha in a few moments is FAR more impressive than Naruto being able to learn the rasengan in a couple of days. Goku being able to make up completely different fighting styles to counter others completely renders the Taijutsu argument completely moot, as shown when he created the crazy monkey style to counter Roshi's drunken style. Goku being able to adapt to certain attacks on the fly, like Roshi's afterimage technique by doing the same thing, except better in a split moment. Him being able to adapt to Tien's solar flare, him being able to dodge a tri beam and keep himself in the air while being able to knock out someone that was flying by firing a kamehameha wave, the numerous versatile ways he's shown to use with the kamehameha, him using his ki to fly into the air and oneshotting King Piccolo, all of these shows that Goku is a much better strategist and far better in adapting to certain skills as opposed to Naruto. So yeah, Naruto being smarter than Goku is very reaching at best unless you can bring some proof of Naruto being able to numerous situations on the fly on his own.
All of this and I still haven't even gotten into the Kaioken, which amps his power on top of his speed. He can be able to blitz naruto very easily, avoid any rasenshurikens, destroy majority of his clones, as well as having the stamina to survive his match with vegeta for a long time. Literally, the only reason why Goku could not fight anymore in the rest of the arc was that Great Ape Vegeta had to break every bone in his body. Beforehand, he was still able to fight back even with the kaioken strain, and against a much stronger foe.
So yeah, not only is the whole rasenshuriken thing very ridiculous as Goku can just fire a charged ki blast at it, or just dodge the attack, but the kaioken, which is something he can do, on top of his scaling being far stronger than baseline makes this very tough for Naruto to get close to, let alone make an attack as Goku would be running circles around him before he could react.
Goku has been able to not only replicate energy based attacks on the fly without any form of training, any deadly technique that he has faced against he's able to overcome it. Goku being able to replicate the kamehameha in a few moments is FAR more impressive than Naruto being able to learn the rasengan in a couple of days. Goku being able to make up completely different fighting styles to counter others completely renders the Taijutsu argument completely moot, as shown when he created the crazy monkey style to counter Roshi's drunken style. Goku being able to adapt to certain attacks on the fly, like Roshi's afterimage technique by doing the same thing, except better in a split moment. Him being able to adapt to Tien's solar flare, him being able to dodge a tri beam and keep himself in the air while being able to knock out someone that was flying by firing a kamehameha wave, the numerous versatile ways he's shown to use with the kamehameha, him using his ki to fly into the air and oneshotting King Piccolo, all of these shows that Goku is a much better strategist and far better in adapting to certain skills as opposed to Naruto. So yeah, Naruto being smarter than Goku is very reaching at best unless you can bring some proof of Naruto being able to numerous situations on the fly on his own.
All of this and I still haven't even gotten into the Kaioken, which amps his power on top of his speed. He can be able to blitz naruto very easily, avoid any rasenshurikens, destroy majority of his clones, as well as having the stamina to survive his match with vegeta for a long time. Literally, the only reason why Goku could not fight anymore in the rest of the arc was that Great Ape Vegeta had to break every bone in his body. Beforehand, he was still able to fight back even with the kaioken strain, and against a much stronger foe.
So yeah, not only is the whole rasenshuriken thing very ridiculous as Goku can just fire a charged ki blast at it, or just dodge the attack, but the kaioken, which is something he can do, on top of his scaling being far stronger than baseline makes this very tough for Naruto to get close to, let alone make an attack as Goku would be running circles around him before he could react.
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And you accuse others of lowballing Goku
So again, how do repeatedly spamming thousands of clones with the same AP not help? Thousands of which he can spam in base, and this is his strongest Six Paths key. It can easily be argued that the sheer amount of clones would overwhelm the AP difference considering we still only scale base Goku to >>> 70 zt. Then we can easily also argue that each clone can easily create their own Kurama Avatars, their own clones, homing attacks like Rasenshuriken, invisible attacks like Frog Kumite, use their chakra arms to spam Rasengan while also attacking physically. Then there's the fact that Naruto can keep this up much longer than Goku can.
So again, how do repeatedly spamming thousands of clones with the same AP not help? Thousands of which he can spam in base, and this is his strongest Six Paths key. It can easily be argued that the sheer amount of clones would overwhelm the AP difference considering we still only scale base Goku to >>> 70 zt. Then we can easily also argue that each clone can easily create their own Kurama Avatars, their own clones, homing attacks like Rasenshuriken, invisible attacks like Frog Kumite, use their chakra arms to spam Rasengan while also attacking physically. Then there's the fact that Naruto can keep this up much longer than Goku can.
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His base form making over 2000 clones, and his Six Paths form can create even more with all the same speed and AP, so you have 2001 Naruto's who hit equally hard and can make even more of those Narutos, hit via chalra extension arms and invisible attacks, divide those chakra extensions to even smaller Rasenshurikens vs a guy who can barely hold his amp for half an hour and you say it's all useless
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So in other words you're saying this is a stomp? >:/
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