Naruto vs goku, but universally fair now(Grace)

[omegabronic]

so, now there is a universal+ naruto, everyone knew this was gonna happen when the profile was up

super sayan blue Goku from the Post-second Ultra Instinct -Sign-/Broly Saga key is used

naruto from the Road To Boruto key is used

speed equalized

naruto's Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing and Fate Manipulation are restricted

goku: 4 Maitreya Gilad_Hyperstar Da3ggman Braking

naruto: 9 KingNanaya omegabronic JustANormalPerson01 BEASTHEART880 GokuSparkle TheKillerYT Reiner RanaProGamer Avengershows

non conclusive:

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Im pretty sure this wiki doesnt accept vs with the popular big ones now. They rather not have a war between Naruto fans vs Dragon ball fans

 

[omegabronic]

Im pretty sure this wiki doesnt accept vs with the popular big ones now. They rather not have a war between Naruto fans vs Dragon ball fans

really? is that a rule? wasn't this only for fights between the big three aka one piece, bleach and naruto?

edit: just saw the rules and there is nothing stopping me from doing this, let us continue for now

 

[KingNanaya]

I feel like this all depends on if Naruto's Extrasensory Perception is good enough to counter Goku's Ultra Instinct.

 

[omegabronic]

I feel like this all depends on if Naruto's Extrasensory Perception is good enough to counter Goku's Ultra Instinct.

goku is not on the ultra instinct key tho

super sayan blue Goku from the Post-second Ultra Instinct -Sign-/Broly Saga key is used

naruto from the Road To Boruto key is used

 

[KingNanaya]

goku is not on the ultra instinct key tho

oh, then I'm an idiot, mb. I vote Naruto lol

 

[omegabronic]

oh, then I'm an idiot, mb. I vote Naruto lol

i think you need to give reasoning for the vote to count, don't if it is a rule tho, could you give reasoning just to be safe?

 

[KingNanaya]

i think you need to give reasoning for the vote to count, don't if it is a rule tho, could you give reasoning just to be safe?

I feel like Naruto's extrasensory perception makes it easier to dodge a lot of the stuff goku uses. they would both be forced to strategize, and I think Naruto is better at that.

 

[KingogKings777]

There's a uni Naruto profile now?

 

[KingNanaya]

There's a uni Naruto profile now?

yeah, the playstaton games

 

[God900]

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[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Is Naruto baseline Uni+?

Goku got somewhat of a scaling chain above that, and can boost his powers 20-fold with SSBKK20, which will also allow him to blitz Naruto with it. Not sure who scales to higher speed though, since if Naruto is naturally faster then the match can't be added in case Goku wins

Overall, Goku takes this because of Kaioken if it comes down to it

EDIT: Wait, you can't restrict abilities in a VS thread, or actually you can do it but then you can't add the match to the profiles or have to move it to fun and games

 

[God900]

I'm pretty sure this Naruto has enough AP to contest with MUI iirc

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I'm pretty sure this Naruto has enough AP to contest with MUI iirc

MUI is like half 2-C (since he scales above Beerus and Champa's individual power who both did a 2-C feat). If Naruto is at that level then it's an AP stomp for Naruto

 

[KingNanaya]

Is Naruto baseline Uni+?

Goku got somewhat of a scaling chain above that, and can boost his powers 20-fold with SSBKK20, which will also allow him to blitz Naruto with it. Not sure who scales to higher speed though, since if Naruto is naturally faster then the match can't be added in case Goku wins

Overall, Goku takes this because of Kaioken if it comes down to it

EDIT: Wait, you can't restrict abilities in a VS thread, or actually you can do it but then you can't add the match to the profiles or have to move it to fun and games

uni+ surprisingly

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

uni+ surprisingly

I get that. But is he baseline? That's what I'm asking

 

[KingogKings777]

yeah, the playstaton games

Link to the profile?

 

[KingNanaya]

I get that. But is he baseline? That's what I'm asking

above baseline, but I'm not sure by how much

 

[KingNanaya]

Link to the profile?

Naruto Uzumaki (Storm Series)

Naruto Uzumaki is the main protagonist of the Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm series and shinobi of Konohagakure's Uzumaki clan. He became the jinchūriki of the Nine-Tails on the day of his birth — a fate that caused him to be shunned by most of Konoha throughout his childhood. After joining Team...

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[omegabronic]

I feel like Naruto's extrasensory perception makes it easier to dodge a lot of the stuff goku uses. they would both be forced to strategize, and I think Naruto is better at that.

counted

I get that. But is he baseline? That's what I'm asking

he upscales from the storm 4 key Six Paths Sage Mode kurama avatar in base form, and then he can use Six Paths Sage Mode and the kurama avatar on top of that

 

[Maitreya]

Goku can make himself like 20x stronger so yeah he can insta blitz and one shot if need be

Should’ve just used MUI Goku instead.

 

[omegabronic]

̶I̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶,̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶B̶A̶S̶T̶A̶R̶D̶!̶!̶!̶

i am a sonic fan, we never lose in speed, hahahaha

 

[omegabronic]

Goku can make himself like 20x stronger so yeah he can insta blitz and one shot if need be

Should’ve just used MUI Goku instead.

goku in character would feel naruto's energy and prolong the fight to have fun, giving naruto a chance to incap him with genjutsu and other hax before that

 

[Maitreya]

goku in character would feel naruto's energy and prolong the fight to have fun, giving naruto a chance to incap him with genjutsu and other hax before that

If we’re going by in character then Naruto would also fight to have fun since there would be no killing intent between them and Naruto likes to talk to his enemies rather than incapacitate them with Genjutsu either.

Either way Goku still has better options to dealing with Naruto here just simply thanks to him already scaling a good bit above baseline low 2-C while Naruto is only at baseline.

 

[omegabronic]

If we’re going by in character then Naruto would also fight to have fun since there would be no killing intent between them and Naruto likes to talk to his enemies rather than incapacitate them with Genjutsu either.

Either way Goku still has better options to dealing with Naruto here just simply thanks to him already scaling a good bit above baseline low 2-C while Naruto is only at baseline.

he is not baseline, he scales above that and can amp himself with six paths and kurama avatar, plus i don't think naruto has that same mindset of fighting for fun that goku does

 

[KingNanaya]

he is not baseline, he scales above that and can amp himself with six paths and kurama avatar, plus i don't think naruto has that same mindset of fighting for fun that goku does

naruto doesn't fight for fun, but he doesn't hate it

 

[omegabronic]

naruto doesn't fight for fun, but he doesn't hate it

i am saying that would try to win, also he was durability negation with rasen shuriken and clones and such

 

[SuperStar]

You can't restrict abilities.

 

[omegabronic]

You can't restrict abilities.

i can with the ones that are just "possible"

 

[God900]

i can with the ones that are just "possible"

If he uses those abilities on character you can't restrict them.

I mean, otherwise will make the fight inaccurate and not what would really happen if both characters met.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

If he uses those abilities on character you can't restrict them.

I mean, otherwise will make the fight inaccurate and not what would really happen if both characters met.

"The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional."

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

in Naruto universe, Krillin is God

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I'm going with Naruto here. Assuming his Extrasensory Perception works on Goku, that along with his analytical prediction based on emotions (which Goku should have as he's not in UI here) should make him capable of matching Goku in skill.

Naruto can defeat Goku in many ways bypassing his durability: Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping...

And his clones can help him to overwhelm Goku with numbers.

Yeah, Goku may have some skill advantage and definitely AP advantage, but here Naruto's abilities make him have the victory imo

 

[omegabronic]

If he uses those abilities on character you can't restrict them.

I mean, otherwise will make the fight inaccurate and not what would really happen if both characters met.

read below

"The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional."

in Naruto universe, Krillin is God

funny thing is that this naruto solos krillin and goku pre ToP

 

[omegabronic]

I'm going with Naruto here. Assuming his Extrasensory Perception works on Goku, that along with his analytical prediction based on emotions (which Goku should have as he's not in UI here) should make him capable of matching Goku in skill.

Naruto can defeat Goku in many ways bypassing his durability: Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping...

And his clones can help him to overwhelm Goku with numbers.

Yeah, Goku may have some skill advantage and definitely AP advantage, but here Naruto's abilities make him have the victory imo

counted

Goku can make himself like 20x stronger so yeah he can insta blitz and one shot if need be

btw was this a vote for goku?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I mean, Goku going to one shot instantly in character? That's not going to happen

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

read below




funny thing is that this naruto solos krillin and goku pre ToP

it's just Naruto for Multiversal lol

 

[Braking]

I mean, Goku going to one shot instantly in character? That's not going to happen

Depends on the scenario. If its a weak opponent he would pull his punches by only a little. But is the enemy is crazy strong he aint finna play no games.

 

[Braking]

Naruto and luffy fans finna be happy when they get a crossover with dbh

 

[KingogKings777]

Naruto Uzumaki (Storm Series)

Naruto Uzumaki is the main protagonist of the Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm series and shinobi of Konohagakure's Uzumaki clan. He became the jinchūriki of the Nine-Tails on the day of his birth — a fate that caused him to be shunned by most of Konoha throughout his childhood. After joining Team...

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Gonna be honest this right here is reaching heights never seen before.

Kaguya's ETSB was going to destroy Naruto's world, which would require her to destroy her own dimension to reach.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Naruto and luffy fans finna be happy when they get a crossover with dbh

ohohooho, Luffy 2-A coming

 

[Braking]

ohohooho, Luffy 2-A coming

Well get that once the authors run out of ideas

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Well get that once the authors run out of ideas

i really need it

 

[omegabronic]

Gonna be honest this right here is reaching heights never seen before.

not the place to discuss this

Depends on the scenario. If its a weak opponent he would pull his punches by only a little. But is the enemy is crazy strong he aint finna play no games.

goku is known to delay fights to have fun, which would happen here since naruto is strong enough for that

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

ohohooho, Luffy 2-A coming

There already is a crossover between DBH and Luffy btw

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Goku will probably want to enjoy a good fight with Naruto first, I doubt Naruto kills someone on their first move during battle, so if Goku sees Naruto's abilities are too much to handle in Blue, he'd use SSBKK and win by one shotting him

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

There already is a crossover between DBH and Luffy btw

can you show me ????

 

[omegabronic]

Goku will probably want to enjoy a good fight with Naruto first, I doubt Naruto kills someone on their first move during battle, so if Goku sees Naruto's abilities are too much to handle in Blue, he'd use SSBKK and win by one shotting him

would't goku start with lesser kaioken(2x as an example) to try to push naruto for him to have more fun? and the fight will likely extend for a while before goku decides to just finish it, with naruto having other ways of defeating him(genjutsu, truth seeking orbs, corrosion, rasen shuriken, Frog Strike all of which ignore durability) and also can paralise goku and erase his ki blasts with the truth seeking orbs, and has way to heal himself and regenerate, i think that with those he would be able to win before goku decides do end it all with a times 20 kaioken

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

would't goku start with lesser kaioken(2x as an example) to try to push naruto for him to have more fun? and the fight will likely extend for a while before goku decides to just finish it, with naruto having other ways of defeating him(genjutsu, truth seeking orbs, corrosion, rasen shuriken, Frog Strike all of which ignore durability) and also can paralise goku and erase his ki blasts with the truth seeking orbs, and has way to heal himself and regenerate, i think that with those he would be able to win before goku decides do end it all with a times 20 kaioken

How in character are these though? And would he do it before Goku uses Kaioken?

Goku also seems to use Kaioken times 10 and 20 pretty much every time he used the form after mastering SSBKK

 

[BEASTHEART880]

Lmfao no fucking way.

Naruto FRA lol.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

can you show me ????

Of course

 

[omegabronic]

How in character are these though? And would he do it before Goku uses Kaioken?

the rasen shuriken is very common, it is basically his main jutsu in the storm 4 and road to boruto, the truth seeking orbs he mostly uses for defense, and the frog strike is just part of his hand to hand combat arsenal after he learned sage mode, the others he does not use very often but he will use it if pushed enough

Goku also seems to use Kaioken times 10 and 20 pretty much every time he used the form after mastering SSBKK

he uses them because he fights opponents that he knows that can keep up with such boosts, here he will sense naruto's energy and see that he can't, so he would likely not start with kaioken and when he decides to use it he most likely will use lesser ones to extend the fight and see what naruto can do

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

the rasen shuriken is very common, it is basically his main jutsu in the storm 4 and road to boruto, the truth seeking orbs he mostly uses for defense, and the frog strike is just part of his hand to hand combat arsenal after he learned sage mode, the others he does not use very often but he will use it if pushed enough


he uses them because he fights opponents that he knows that can keep up with such boosts, here he will sense naruto's energy and see that he can't, so he would likely not start with kaioken and when he decides to use it he most likely will use lesser ones to extend the fight and see what naruto can do

Not really. Goku can also just decide to end the fight like he did several times before, even while sparring (such as against Gohan), and if he sees Naruto is a threat, he probably will use SSBKK

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Profile isnt even official yet and we have a thread

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Of course

thanks

 

[Maitreya]

Goku will probably want to enjoy a good fight with Naruto first, I doubt Naruto kills someone on their first move during battle, so if Goku sees Naruto's abilities are too much to handle in Blue, he'd use SSBKK and win by one shotting him

Yeah this is essentially my take as well.

In character goku may want to enjoy the fight more sure but Naruto in character would also very much get along with goku and not fight with serious killing intent either.

By the time Goku is ever put in danger from Naruto’s abilities I see no reason why he wouldn’t immediately bust out the kaioken

I vote Goku.

 

[Braking]

goku is known to delay fights to have fun, which would happen here since naruto is strong enough for that

That really is only when its a nonserious matter. Like training or just light sparring. Its abit not good to say that he acts like this all the time.

 

[Braking]

Yo yea. Id say goku fra

 

[Da3ggman]

Goku FRA

 

[omegabronic]

Lmfao no fucking way.

Naruto FRA lol.

Goku FRA

Yo yea. Id say goku fra

I vote Goku.

counted

 

[omegabronic]

Profile isnt even official yet and we have a thread

what are you talking about?

Not really. Goku can also just decide to end the fight like he did several times before, even while sparring (such as against Gohan)

he only did that to gohan because he was asked to

, and if he sees Naruto is a threat, he probably will use SSBKK

by the moment a rasen shuriken or frog strike hits it will be to late for that, also when fighting for the survival of his universe in the ToP he purposefully prolonged fights in order to have fun, such as when he fought kale and caulifla, or to test his oponent such as his first match with jiren
since naruto here also has transformations to make himself stronger, with his baseform not too behind in power of goku, he will most likely get curious and prolong the fight to test naruto, all that naruto needs to do is to hit one rasen shuriken and/or a frog strike to win

btw not related to this topic, but can i vote in my own threads? or is it against the rules?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

by the moment a rasen shuriken or frog strike hits it will be to late for that, also when fighting for the survival of his universe in the ToP he purposefully prolonged fights in order to have fun, such as when he fought kale and caulifla, or to test his oponent such as his first match with jiren
since naruto here also has transformations to make himself stronger, with his baseform not too behind in power of goku, he will most likely get curious and prolong the fight to test naruto, all that naruto needs to do is to hit one rasen shuriken and/or a frog strike to win

Does Naruto goes for the kill immediately? Since if he would, Goku would sense that intent and use SSBKK20 to one shot, especially if Naruto uses lethal techniques right away

btw not related to this topic, but can i vote in my own threads? or is it against the rules?

You can vote in your own thread iirc

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

you can count my vote too, unfortunately Naruto doesn't stand a chance even if he goes to the world of Bleach and learns soul manipulation

 

[omegabronic]

Does Naruto goes for the kill immediately?

no, but as i said rasen shuriken is basically is main jutsu, and he would likely use it first before the others, and the frog strike is just part of his hand to hand combat, which he would start with

Since if he would, Goku would sense that intent and use SSBKK20 to one shot, especially if Naruto uses lethal techniques right away

goku can feel intent? also he did not used kaioken not even when pressed to the extreme against kale, i doubt that he would go for the one tap just because the opponent is trying to kill him

You can vote in your own thread iirc

ok, going to vote naruto them by the reasoning i gave

you can count my vote too, unfortunately Naruto doesn't stand a chance even if he goes to the world of Bleach and learns soul manipulation

you need to give a justification, if it is for other people reason just say "goku fra", but just to note, this naruto has lots of chances against goku thanks to his abilities

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

no, but as i said rasen shuriken is basically is main jutsu, and he would likely use it first before the others, and the frog strike is just part of his hand to hand combat, which he would start with


goku can feel intent? also he did not used kaioken not even when pressed to the extreme against kale, i doubt that he would go for the one tap just because the opponent is trying to kill him


ok, going to vote naruto them by the reasoning i gave


you need to give a justification, if it is for other people reason just say "goku fra", but just to note, this naruto has lots of chances against goku thanks to his abilities

yes, yes, a massively hypersonic will relaunch in MFTL+, only in the world of the moon does Naruto win, Goku from HK and blitz, simple GG.

 

[omegabronic]

yes, yes, a massively hypersonic will relaunch in MFTL+, only in the world of the moon does Naruto win, Goku from HK and blitz, simple over.

1 speed is equalized and 2 naruto is not massively hypersonic have you not saw the profile?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

1 speed is equalized and 2 naruto is not massively hypersonic have you not saw the profile?

his profile is Massively Hypersonic, nothing more.

 

[omegabronic]

his profile is Massively Hypersonic, nothing more.

he isn't, go to the "road to boruto" and "naruto storm 4" keys

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

1 speed is equalized and 2 naruto is not massively hypersonic have you not saw the profile?

Now that you matched the speed, that's theft, it wasn't there before.

 

[Flashlight237]

Naruto is unive-- Hol' up, what? Last time I checked, the strongest he ever got was Planetary.

 

[omegabronic]

it wasn't there before.

it was always there, what are you talking about?

Naruto is unive-- Hol' up, what? Last time I checked, the strongest he ever got was Planetary.

storm series profile

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

it was always there, what are you talking about?


storm series profile

It wasn't there my friend, it was simply Naruto's resurrection speed equaled

 

[omegabronic]

It wasn't there my friend, it was simply Naruto's resurrection speed equaled

speed was always equalized

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

speed was always equalized

it's like this for me "Equalized naruto resurrection speed"

look

 

[Epiccheev]

So, i guess Luffy is now the only member of the HST that has never hit Universal in this site?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So, i guess Luffy is now the only member of the HST that has never hit Universal in this site?

Buster Island we can do it, passing it is impossible

 

[omegabronic]

it's like this for me "Equalized naruto resurrection speed"

look

translation bug, put it in english and you will see, here is the text in the op

speed equalized


naruto's Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing and Fate Manipulation are restricted

 

[omegabronic]

So, i guess Luffy is now the only member of the HST that has never hit Universal in this site?

i mean, if someone bother enough to create a dragon ball heroes luffy profile then it is possible

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

translation bug, put it in english and you will see, here is the text in the op

speed equalized


naruto's Resurrection, Statistics Amplification, Healing and Fate Manipulation are restricted

looks like it is, I thought I had it wrong, lol, I'm sorry.

 

[omegabronic]

looks like it is, I thought I had it wrong, lol, I'm sorry.

no problem

 

[omegabronic]

also just ad at the point about goku not going for the one tap even when pressed, when hit came to kill him, he didn't use kaioken even when he knew the oponent was trying to kill him, so it is not very likely that goku would use the stronger kaioken if he feels threatened

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

goku can feel intent? also he did not used kaioken not even when pressed to the extreme against kale, i doubt that he would go for the one tap just because the opponent is trying to kill him

Yup. Goku can feel the intend of others based on their ki. For example, when Trunks charged at Goku with his sword, Goku didn't attempt to block it because he knew Trunks wasn't trying to kill him. Same goes for Broly. So yeah, if Naruto uses lethal techniques on him, Goku would know and use the Kaioken to gain the advantage

Kale is a different case because once again, Goku did not felt that Kale's ki was malicious, and most importantly, he was saving energy for Jiren so using SSBKK would be a waste of energy

 

[omegabronic]

Yup. Goku can feel the intend of others based on their ki. For example, when Trunks charged at Goku with his sword, Goku didn't attempt to block it because he knew Trunks wasn't trying to kill him. Same goes for Broly. So yeah, if Naruto uses lethal techniques on him, Goku would know and use the Kaioken to gain the advantage

oh okay, cool, but even if he feels the intent there is no way for him to know about the techniques, one of them is just hand to hand combat and the other is projectile, if they hit it is game over for goku

Kale is a different case because once again, Goku did not felt that Kale's ki was malicious

she was screaming his name in anger and expressively saying that she wanted to kill him

and most importantly, he was saving energy for Jiren so using SSBKK would be a waste of energy

maybe, but dying would also not be good for him, so wouldn't be worth it?

also this

also just ad at the point about goku not going for the one tap even when pressed, when hit came to kill him, he didn't use kaioken even when he knew the oponent was trying to kill him, so it is not very likely that goku would use the stronger kaioken if he feels threatened

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

oh okay, cool, but even if he feels the intent there is no way for him to know about the techniques, one of them is just hand to hand combat and the other is projectile, if they hit it is game over for goku

He'd still feel Naruto's intent and if he'll figure out he wants to kill him with his techniques (which I highly doubt he'd do on first move unless I'm mistaken), Goku would avoid these or counter with his own attacks

she was screaming his name in anger and expressively saying that she wanted to kill him

maybe, but dying would also not be good for him, so wouldn't be worth it?

Goku was never at any danger. Even though Kale threw Goku around, it was very clear that after she went through Goku's Kamehameha she was pretty damaged as she was panting heavily before throwing him away

 

[omegabronic]

He'd still feel Naruto's intent and if he'll figure out he wants to kill him with his techniques (which I highly doubt he'd do on first move unless I'm mistaken), Goku would avoid these or counter with his own attacks

well, not on the first move, but very soon with the rasen shuriken, i guess that goku can dodge it for a while, but can he dodge it on top of naruto cloning and barrage? or, if naruto uses the kurama avatar, this aoe? and the frog strike is part of his hth combat, he can use it as they are exchanging punches, which is goku's main strategy most of the time

Goku was never at any danger. Even though Kale threw Goku around, it was very clear that after she went through Goku's Kamehameha she was pretty damaged as she was panting heavily before throwing him away

yes but she still overpowered him and had him on her grasp while still saying that she was going to kill him, also there is the time where hit was trying to kill him and yet he didn't use kaioken, he will use it if nescesary, but unless the oponent is strong enough i doubt he will go for the 10 or 20 times first instead of going for the lesser ones to test and try to have fun

 

[Maitreya]

If Naruto starts spamming clones I see absolutely no reason Goku wouldn’t just instantly bust out the Kaioken x20 to just one shot everything around him.

 

[Marshadow29]

ohohooho, Luffy 2-A coming

funny enough, xeno luffy already exists

 

[omegabronic]

If Naruto starts spamming clones I see absolutely no reason Goku wouldn’t just instantly bust out the Kaioken x20 to just one shot everything around him.

because that is not what goku would do in character? he may use kaioken to deal with the clones, but why would he go all out?, also how would he deal with them launching rasen shuriken or using frog strike in the middle of their exchange of punches?

 

[Da3ggman]

also how would he deal with them launching rasen shuriken or using frog strike in the middle of their exchange of punches?

Dodging them? He's probably the more skilled of the two, given he's being trained under by Beerus and Whis, who are hundreds of millions of years old.

 

[Maitreya]

because that is not what goku would do in character? he may use kaioken to deal with the clones, but why would he go all out?

You seem to be under the impression that Naruto would fight to win and Goku…wouldn’t? Or wouldn’t fight to the extent Naruto would which I have no idea why that would be the case here.

Goku may fight for fun but he also fights to win and prove himself to get stronger. If Naruto starts going all out and tries to press him Goku would do the same and if he doesn’t then neither of these two in character would use moves to severely incapacitate one another as they would just be sparring at that point. They would get along above all else.

 

[omegabronic]

Dodging them? He's probably the more skilled of the two, given he's being trained under by Beerus and Whis, who are hundreds of millions of years old.

naruto is pretty skilled as well, and age doe not translate to skill, they are both pretty even with goku having a small edge, but also the frog strike is just a different way of punch, there is no way for him to expect that

 

[Da3ggman]

naruto is pretty skilled as well, and age doe not translate to skill

While that can be true, they're both explicitly masters who have been training and honing their skill for millions of years.

but also the frog strike is just a different way of punch, there is no way for him to expect that

You seem to be under the impression that Goku would just let him hit him, which he wouldn't. He's had plenty of experience dodging multiple danmaku style attacks before, so this wouldn't be any different.

 

[Braking]

age doe not translate to skill

its called experience.

 

[omegabronic]

You seem to be under the impression that Naruto would fight to win and Goku…wouldn’t? Or wouldn’t fight to the extent Naruto would which I have no idea why that would be the case here.

i don't understand the question? sure goku would want to win, but he most likely would want to have fun fighting someone close in power to him and see what naruto can do, that is how goku fights, it is more likely for naruto to use either rasen shuriken(that became his most common jutsu outside of shadows clone) and the frog strike(that became part of his fighting style after learning sage mode) it is more likely for naruto to use those and hit before goku just decides to go all out and end it with the times 20 kaioken

Goku may fight for fun but he also fights to win and prove himself to get stronger. If Naruto starts going all out and tries to press him Goku would do the same and if he doesn’t then neither of these two in character would use moves to severely incapacitate one another as they would just be sparring at that point. They would get along above all else.

following the sba they both assume that the other wants to harm them, rasen shuriken is hardly naruto going all out, it is just a technique that he uses regularly, same for the frog strike, plus goku can fell naruto's energy, so he would use a lesser kaioken first to test naruto and see if he has more to show

While that can be true, they're both explicitly masters who have been training and honing their skill for millions of years.

yeah? well beerus is despicted as lazy so idk about him, but i wouldn't say that goku is on par with whis in skill, but from what says in the profile goku seems to have an advantage in skill, but not a really big one

You seem to be under the impression that Goku would just let him hit him, which he wouldn't. He's had plenty of experience dodging multiple danmaku style attacks before, so this wouldn't be any different.

against multiple clones at the same time? and also the bigger problem is the aoe of it, this aoe to be exact

 

[Da3ggman]

against multiple clones at the same time?

Yes

and also the bigger problem is the aoe of it, this aoe to be exact

That's likely one of the worst moves he can do, since it leaves him open for Goku to dodge with Instant Transmission, and pummel him while his guard is down.

 

[omegabronic]

Yes

keep in mind that naruto can make thousands of clones, can goku really dodge all of it from beings as fast as him?

That's likely one of the worst moves he can do, since it leaves him open for Goku to dodge with Instant Transmission, and pummel him while his guard is down.

not really when the blast would explode and hit him, keep in mind that there is just the both of them there, he wouldn't be able to teleport out of the range of the explosion, it is literaly so big that it can be seem from space

 

[Maitreya]

i don't understand the question? sure goku would want to win, but he most likely would want to have fun fighting someone close in power to him and see what naruto can do, that is how goku fights, it is more likely for naruto to use either rasen shuriken(that became his most common jutsu outside of shadows clone) and the frog strike(that became part of his fighting style after learning sage mode) it is more likely for naruto to use those and hit before goku just decides to go all out and end it with the times 20 kaioken

He still actively uses kaioken against those he’s fighting. Against Hit he used Kaioken x10, so if Naruto tries to press Goku with his rasenshuriken or his clones there’s no reason for Goku to not go all out or use his higher end levels of Kaioken. Especially since as you say Goku can feel Naruto’s energy.

If Naruto uses a raenshuriken Goku would just counteract with Kamehameha Goku’s skill straight up can overcome Naruto’s own hand to hand combat skills easily (my dude was literally predicting the moves of someone who could skip ahead in time. I think he has frog strikes covered.) And if Goku ever gets pressed there’s no reason for him not to insta use kaioken.

following the sba they both assume that the other wants to harm them, rasen shuriken is hardly naruto going all out, it is just a technique that he uses regularly, same for the frog strike, plus goku can fell naruto's energy, so he would use a lesser kaioken first to test naruto and see if he has more to show

If they want to harm each other and they know that then why wouldn’t Goku use kaioken? Even when he’s having fun he still actively uses the technique (like against hit.)

I’m not saying he’d bust it out right away but I see no reason for him to actively hold it back if he ever gets pressed like if Naruto starts using clones. Things like Rasenshuriken can simply be countered with instant transmission or a single counter ki blast. So idk what use that would do.

 

[omegabronic]

He still actively uses kaioken against those he’s fighting. Against Hit he used Kaioken x10

yeah, after fighting for a while and getting out of options

, so if Naruto tries to press Goku with his rasenshuriken or his clones there’s no reason for Goku to not go all out or use his higher end levels of Kaioken. Especially since as you say Goku can feel Naruto’s energy.

can you give an example of goku using kaioken at max power when kind of pressed? for goku none of the rasen shuriken would look to dangerous, neither would the frog strike, why would he go all out when he can feel that naruto is relative to him in strength?

If Naruto uses a raenshuriken Goku would just counteract with Kamehameha

yeah good point, but what about a barrage? the kamehameha is not big enough to cover a barrage is it?

Goku’s skill straight up can overcome Naruto’s own hand to hand combat skills easily (my dude was literally predicting the moves of someone who could skip ahead in time. I think he has frog strikes covered.)

the frog strike would look dangerous to him, it is just a punch from his perspective

And if Goku ever gets pressed there’s no reason for him not to insta use kaioken.

i know that he would use the kaioken, i am just arguing that he wouldn't use the maximum of of the bat when slightly pressed

If they want to harm each other and they know that then why wouldn’t Goku use kaioken? Even when he’s having fun he still actively uses the technique (like against hit.)

read above, i never said that he wouldn't use the kaioken

I’m not saying he’d bust it out right away but I see no reason for him to actively hold it back if he ever gets pressed like if Naruto starts using clones. Things like Rasenshuriken can simply be countered with instant transmission or a single counter ki blast. So idk what use that would do.

a barrage of rasen shuriken, or an aoe rasen shuriken this aoe to be exact would be fatal

 

[Da3ggman]

keep in mind that naruto can make thousands of clones, can goku really dodge all of it from beings as fast as him?

Maybe? If it was UI Goku, probably. But this Goku might not be able to handle it unless he decides to carpet bomb the arena.

not really when the blast would explode and hit him, keep in mind that there is just the both of them there, he wouldn't be able to teleport out of the range of the explosion, it is literaly so big that it can be seem from space

Goku can travel to other galaxies with Instant Transmission, so range isn't an issue. Plus, it doesn't look like the blast hits Naruto. So unless Naruto is in another country, I don't think the range is that great.

 

[omegabronic]

Maybe? If it was UI Goku, probably. But this Goku might not be able to handle it unless he decides to carpet bomb the arena.

keep in mind that rasen shuriken only need to hit once

Goku can travel to other galaxies with Instant Transmission, so range isn't an issue.

as sba he can't since there is not anyone for him to teleport to, since that would be considered outside help, he only has naruto here

Plus, it doesn't look like the blast hits Naruto. So unless Naruto is in another country, I don't think the range is that great.

we literally see it from space, no reason to doubt the range, it does hit him, he just thanks it or heal since he has regeneration and healing