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It is lmao, I'm just being a dumbass.
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Shūkurō Tsukishima vs Yami Sukehiro
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Arcker123
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Ki Sensing (Can detect the Ki, otherwise known as life energy, and killing intent of others in order to locate them and dodge their attacks, mainly used as Precognition. Far greater Precognition when he combines it with Mana Zone, He can react to his opponents' movements before they make them similar to Julius's Precognition)
The profile would seem to imply that he needs to combine it with mana zone to do precog movements, which won’t happen before Bringer Light spam.
Can’t Tsukishima also use his powernull against that?
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yeah i meant it bypasses senses to what?
"Unlike Shunpo, it would disturb the surrounding spiritual pressure to a minimal amount and could be said to be similar to Sonido in that it was covert and allowed one to take an opponent by surprise"
So it isn't an exact 1:1 comparison towards Sonido but it's extremely close in functionality to Sonido, hence why it's limited.
And from this it bypasses spiritual pressure senses.
wouldn't this only bypass Yami's magic detection? Magic detection is different from his Ki. Ki just senses the vague presence someone exists.
Can we really compare sensing reiatsu this to Ki?
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Fair enough I suppose but you guys were also using Bringer Light, which blocks Reiatsu/Reiryoku, against Ki Sensing which doesn't use either of them so I don't think Ki Sensing should or would be negated since they aren't equalized, correct?
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No
not GG
Death Thrust could blitz him since its superior to Iai slash that blitzed Dante.
Oh, by the way to reinforce Nierre's point. What is stopping Yami from reading Tsukihima's intention with Bringer Light before actually using Bringer Light?
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Yes since Reiryoku/Reiatsu within Bleach is directly tied to one's life-force.
Characters are able to sense the state of someone physically through sensing their Reiatsu.
So Ki sensing should also be affected by Bringer Light.
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The ability to sense Reiatsu and it is being equalized with Ki as though they are similar concepts.
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Ki senses vague sense of someone’s existence, muscle movements, breathing patterns, etc. they refer to all of these as life energy. It’s not like one form of life force that can be equalized.
Even lifeless rocks, contain Ki.
Honestly it just feels like Ki is short for Kinetic energy at this point.
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Something like Pesquisa can sense one's spiritual pressure and it can bypass this given Grimmjow was using it and it also disturbed the spiritual pressure. It would definitely throw Yami off who has to aim his death thrust.
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I… don’t understand how this is a defeater at all? We would normally equalize shit if it’s similar enough, and Decieved provided reasoning as to why Reiatsu/Reiryoku would be similar enough to equalize to Ki due to them both acting as life forces.
Power systems can have differences and can still be equalized, so long as they are shown to be relevantly similar, which Decieved showed.
Reiatsu sensing and the like which for the purposes of Vs battle would be equalized to Ki sensing.
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Yami aims in the direction he predicts Tsukihima will go.
Arkenis
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BL says no. Another thing, how good is Yami's ki sensing at sensing something moving from different spot to different spot? It's fine if he can sense like basic movements but if tsukishima moves randomly then could he still perfectly aim?
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the differences aren’t little enough to be equalize. Reiatsu isn’t muscle movements. Reiatsu isn’t the action of someone looking at you. Reiatsu might be a vague sense that someone is there. Reiatsu is not breathing pattern.
More differences than similarities G.
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BL doesn’t say “No” because Yami already predicted before it is used.
And it’s range is average human size and several meters far.
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it just resist that though
The speed difference on top of the fact bl can resist sensing such as life force which is all ki sensing is, just makes hitting Tsukishima harder to hit with death thrust.
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Apart from what Nierre said
Again “life energy” is a completely different term in black clover. It is not similar in any way shape or form to Reiatsu.
And Ki is a term for many different types of life energies so the best you can do is equalize one type to one of the types of life energies Yami can read.
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Bringer Light isn't stopping Ki sensing based on that loose ass resistance
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They all have to do with life force of the person though, One is the life force from ones soul and the other is from movements and feelings of another person, they are not at all different to the point they can't be equalized in this regard. Ya pulling at some short ass straws rn.
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I already beat you up on Discord about this lmaoooooooo
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didn't beat up nobody
You literally cannot compare the energy that we even consider ectoplasm and potent ass soul manipulation to the energy drawn from feelings and emotions.
They are definitely different.
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This isn’t an actual response to what Deceived argued.
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quote his argument
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I'm comparing the sensing of them to each other. one's based off sensing movements and feelings of someone being near and the other senses one's soul's energy. This is not as different as you're making it at all.
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Life forces in different series don't all get tied together because they share the word "life force" or because they're tied to someone's "life force".
Life Force in its roots is Life Manipulation. Soul Manip can be tied to this but they aren't the same, which means that this loose interpretation is just wrong.
Not as different huh. Ok, so here's my rebuttal.
This ability works by manipulating the spiritual energy around the user. So the literal souls around the user, making his soul harder to sense in a soul based verse.
Why would this shut down someone who senses via feelings and emotions?
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Again Life energies (PLURAL) is not Life forcee
In black clover there are many diffferent types of life energies the human body gives off, Yami reads these energies to predict. So why is the damn soul being equalized to muscle movements, breathing patterns, etc.?
HELL NO.
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Not sure where you're getting emotions from, but the scan says ki is the term for all the life energy that the human body gives off, and it doesn't shut it down, it bypasses it.
.... You can't be fr, Ki is a blanket term for all of those "energies" so they are the same.
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It's the term for energy given off by people and objects. This is not the same as your soul
Who lied to you and told you this
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