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Wouldn't plothax like Altairs be limited to plots that originate from fictional stories in-universe though?
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I don't know who Altairs is or anything about the character, so that specific character I can't answer.AguilaR101 said:Wouldn't plothax like Altairs be limited to plots that originate from fictional stories in-universe though?
Where does the burden of proof lie? Is the burden of proof with the person claiming someone doesn't have a soul until proven or the one who says they do without any backing? Is the burden of proof on the one who says the ability doesn't work until proven or it does work until proven not to?Andytrenom said:When we assume a character in a vs thread possesses a soul, I don't think of it as a general proclaimation of how his universe functions, I just think of it as saying "He can't be assumed to be completely impervious to his opponent's ability without concrete evidence".
This is to me just a reasonable assumption to make during a hypothetical match up comparing the established strengths and weaknesses of two characters and nothing more than that. I don't think the standard should be changed.
But in some verses they do.Andytrenom said:>Do we have to prove that robots don't have souls? Or is that a reasonable assumption?
Yes it is. As reasonable as assuming that the mobile phone of a character doesn't possess a soul.
I can't really read/reply to the rest of the thread in-depth right now, but I agree strongly with this post. But I'd note that explicit statements going against the other verse (e.g. character being stated to be soulless) should take priority over the verse equalization.Ricsi-viragosi said:Since the reason we give souls is for combat porpuses, and only done if the other verse never dabbles into them, or explains them too poorly, it should be case by case.
It should work mostly like verse equal, so if the verse of the soulhaxor says that only humans have souls, but not even superinteligent aliens do, that should be assumed. If the soulhaxor's verse says litirally everything has some form of a soul, be it a human or a lifeless rock, that should be assumed.
Pretty much verse equal of a kind. Either this or we are left with basing a standard on a subjective philosophy.
Minor nitpick. They aren't assumptions in this case.Ricsi-viragosi said:It should work mostly like verse equal, so if the verse of the soulhaxor says that only humans have souls, but not even superinteligent aliens do, that should be assumed. If the soulhaxor's verse says litirally everything has some form of a soul, be it a human or a lifeless rock, that should be assumed.
Which seems like a slight false equivalency to me, we can't actually tell what Ajimu's skills do so we can't draw conclusions of her or other character's abilities off of them, but it does indicate that souls are possibly a thing in the verse.Iapitus The Impaler said:This wiki has decided that Ajimu's skills are not to be taken seriously with respect to the verse as a whole. I do not agree with the policy, but that is what stands
If we accept those, we also accept that their are multiple universes that are part of existence, that Kumagawa could erase
It was previously agreed that Ajimu's skill list isnt to be taken seriously. There was another case where an upgrade hinged partially on the mention of another universe within Ajimu's skills.DontTalkDT said:Has it been brought up that there is a soul manipulation skill in medaka box already?
"Portable Soul (ÕÉ©Ú¡éµñìþë®, Pōtaburu Souru): Absorb souls skill."
It's one of Ajimu's boss skills.
Again, why reverse the burden of proof?The Smashor said:In verses that have not confirmed or have not deconfirmed souls we:
So ad populumThe Smashor said:Beacause the people in most verses, including our own, assume they have souls for the most part.
Did you not read the part of this debate above where it was said that we don't assume they actualy have it, but just use verse equal?GreyFang82 said:So ad populum
From what Wok said, the chakra thing for verse equalizing only applies if there is a comparable thing in the verse.Ricsi-viragosi said:-snip-
I was replying to smash, who literally used that argument above me.Ricsi-viragosi said:Did you not read the part of this debate above where it was said that we don't assume they actualy have it, but just use verse equal?GreyFang82 said:So ad populum
Do you believe anyone here thinks that chakra and ki are the same thing?