Ajimu 8-C is somewhat iffy

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

The distances are quite different throughout the different images, some being within micrometers, some being tens of thousands of kilometers away. The distance is generally larger for the larger phenomena. Given that the creation of the universe would be the largest, I think her being a decent bit away fits that pattern.

In general, it was close enough and proportional to each event, we can see this several times on the page, now it would be a question of believing how close it would like to be, whether it would be close enough or not to see the event, although it is a different case to that of earth, after all she wouldn't need to be a huge distance away to have the good view she wanted because it's an explosion after all, she could be so close or not so far away for that. At least change the "likely far higher" and just leave "far higher", her being 8-C withstanding the Big Bang is ridiculous, ok we don't know what tier the feat would be, but at least remove the possibly and cite it as made of tier, if you don't want 3-A.

There's some degree of ambiguity, but I think "This ability was listed on a page after every other ability, and she said it was the last one she's using" is solid enough to believe that it did, in fact, come last.

You ignored my entire argument for attacking a scarecrow, my point is that we know what skills she used after having used one, but the circumstances of this battle that we are aware of are zero, we don't know how it unfolded, how Ajimu used a skill, the circumstances of each, etc. Literally a weapons skill and we don't even know she's shooting at the guy until we see the art on the page, she can for example use a power, play with it for a while and then move on to the next one. It's ridiculous to think that she decided, for example "the power to not use powers and now I'm going to use this one" which doesn't make any sense and you want to put it as an absolute fact since we know at least what the fight was like in relation to Ajimu in addition to what abilities she had used

Fair enough, but I disagree. With how extreme this is, I think it's more likely that it was a writing exercise where the author didn't really pay much attention to every single ability he listed, and didn't actually imagine/intend them to be used. He just wanted to fill up space with things that sounded cool.

So you're literally saying that you personally believe that he just made a mistake when it came to posting something and that's why the profile shouldn't list them?? You are literally at the part where it doesn't matter, we must assume that the fight happened and somehow, happy ending in which the destruction did not occur in an unknown way, but we know that she used certain skills, so she could have a very high tier with your skills like 3-A

Welp, I think it makes sense. I think we see a clear trend, with Ajimu passively gaining abilities when facing hardships, Hanten needing to actively create abilities, and Hansode only being able to alter abilities which already exist.

One thing I thought about now, if Ajimu gains skills passively when facing difficulties, then wouldn't that prove that she has endured the universe at level 3-A? After all, she faced the difficulty of withstanding a Big Bang and passively obtained an ability to do so, in addition, Ajimu mentions that she always tried to do impossible things and that the only thing left was to make Zenkichi overcome Medaka and while seeking the impossible, she achieved her abilities, this greatly supports a narrative of her being 3-A.

I know, but I don't think those places are ones with quantifiable distances that we could get a speed rating from.

Well, even if we consider that it took months for her to go to another dimension and to another, we have to remember firstly that she is leaving for one universe and going to another, that would easily be Mftl+, so it should be listed with something like " at least Mftl+ in movement speed (can travel between universes without an ability that does it for her) or possibly

she can't be able to kill these heroes and be excused from dying to them because they are heroes. In the first part, I don't think we have enough textual justification that being a hero can let someone overcome huge durability gaps, so I wouldn't assume that to excuse this anti-feat.

As mentioned, Medaka Box talks a lot about metafiction, so much so that Medaka being a protagonist really gives things like defense for the plot because it is a Shonem work, so much so that Kamugawa was always destined for defeat, Ajimu mentions that people like Medaka are the type of a human that she can't lose because she's the hero, the kind of human that she can't lose because she's the hero, about her claiming that he was more strong, she was doing this to complete her last impossible goal which would be for Zenkichi to surpass Medaka. And just remember that Ajimu chooses to be fair with the script.

The guide does not have a reliable translation, so we cannot use material from it yet.

So let's translate or at least use the translation we got to support something, I don't see completely ruling it out as being fair here, it's quite radical

When we meet Iihiko we're told that he was an exception to this, but that she was ultimately able to keep meeting her goals by avoiding him.

The reason for this has already been explained, plot armor, the symbolism of it representing the reader and Ajimu the author and Ajimu choosing to be fair to the Script, she herself has already been shown that any tightness that has already passed is nothing more than an occurrence, there is no reason to this could be an occurrence.

"Ajimu's 3-A" "Doubt it, she's weaker than Iihiko who has anti-feats far below that." "Well, Ajimu's 3-A feat proves that there must be a different explanation for that." That's textbook circular reasoning homie.

No one is putting Ajimu here as 8-C, it would just be unknown what her real level would be because theoretically it would be unknown how close she was and what level she would fit in exactly, so the argument that Ajimu has the greatest achievements (even if you ignore her resisting the Big Bang we also have her having tons of abilities that are on a scale greater than any feat of Iihiko)

Link's not working for me, but I'm still willing to believe that.

Strange, try again

As I already explained, it means "exceed" as in "The percentage of retirements in the country will exceed 20% by 2035", it's not some sort of all-encompassing beyond-infinite transcendence. You can see this by looking at any example sentence containing it.

The kanji is normally used in contexts like this, Transcend, overcome, etc. they would also have the same problem of exceeding, I don't think it's a valid argument, since there's no way to exceed Dimensions using the context you gave.

Even if I granted that, it still makes sense to have an ability for governing speed, and an ability for traveling between different universes, especially if they'd be inaccessible by raw speed alone.

So it's not an ability to cross universes but rather dimensional travel, which she already has and is literally already listed on her profile, so neither.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Bump

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Bump

 

[Demon_Lord18]

This is not necessary, and this topic should already be closed because of the discussion rule.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

This is not necessary, and this topic should already be closed because of the discussion rule.

But there hasn't even been a vote yet, the guy there hasn't said anything here yet, and your vote was literally based solely on the proposal, ignoring the entire discussion that took place on that

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

This is not necessary, and this topic should already be closed because of the discussion rule.

I was even able to convince Agnaa, with him accepting certain points, saying things like "fair" and then giving his opinion

 

[Demon_Lord18]

But there hasn't even been a vote yet, the guy there hasn't said anything here yet,

There's no need to a vote, this topic should have been closed as soon as it was opened, but Agna didn't do it.

and your vote was literally based solely on the proposal, ignoring the entire discussion that took place on that

I didn't ignore the discussion, I read it all and didn't change my mind, on the contrary, I became even more convinced that I disagree with everything proposed in the OP.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

There's no need to a vote, this topic should have been closed as soon as it was opened, but Agna didn't do it.


I didn't ignore the discussion, I read it all and didn't change my mind, on the contrary, I became even more convinced that I disagree with everything proposed in the OP.

So what do you disagree with, friend, just talk and elaborate against the Rebunks, agnaa himself is starting to think certain points are fair, something new is definitely being presented

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I was even able to convince Agnaa, with him accepting certain points, saying things like "fair" and then giving his opinion

He didn't accept anything, he said

Fair enough, but I disagree.

He literally said he disagreed, that was the only time I saw him say "fair enough" in the debate, could you mark where he agreed with you?

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

He didn't accept anything, he said

He literally said he disagreed, that was the only time I saw him say "fair enough" in the debate, could you mark where he agreed with you?

He also has him accepting that Ajimu's power > Hanten or Ajimu's power to travel between dimensions, but he thought it was about the heart, for example, he is seeing a meaning in the arguments, not literally just disposable things

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Furthermore, I saw that there was someone who wasn't against the skills being used to raise Ajimu's level, so this isn't an unnecessary topic.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Furthermore, I saw that there was someone who wasn't against the skills being used to raise Ajimu's level, so this isn't an unnecessary topic.

Dude, who said this topic is unnecessary? Lol this topic should be closed because there is a rule that prevents its creation, not because it is unnecessary
You would need to open a thread to remove the discussion rule before creating this CRT.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Dude, who said this topic is unnecessary? Lol this topic should be closed because there is a rule that prevents its creation, not because it is unnecessary
You would need to open a thread to remove the discussion rule before creating this CRT.

What rule am I breaking, just show me

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Dude, who said this topic is unnecessary? Lol this topic should be closed because there is a rule that prevents its creation, not because it is unnecessary
You would need to open a thread to remove the discussion rule before creating this CRT.

and just adding one more detail, Agnaa wanted to close because theoretically those points had already been pointed out. but this becomes irrelevant as it has proven to be relevant and some are really not against adding the skills to scale Ajimu's level

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Bump

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

bump

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Furthermore, I saw that there was someone who wasn't against the skills being used to raise Ajimu's level, so this isn't an unnecessary topic.

It is true I said this, but only within reason. As long as it doesn’t scale to Ajimu physically, because scaling Ajimu to something like Star level physically gets really weird, really quickly. And also if it isn’t super vague.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

It is true I said this, but only within reason. As long as it doesn’t scale to Ajimu physically, because scaling Ajimu to something like Star level physically gets really weird, really quickly. And also if it isn’t super vague.

So do you agree with, for example, 3-A via hax?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

So do you agree with, for example, 3-A via hax?

Heavily depends if there is enough context for one, and in this case, she does not have anything like that to my memory, and she didn’t survive the Big Bang via hax. So I would say no in this case, but if it was 8-B, 4-C with “Bang” then maybe.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Heavily depends if there is enough context for one, and in this case, she does not have anything like that to my memory, and she didn’t survive the Big Bang via hax. So I would say no in this case, but if it was 8-B, 4-C with “Bang” then maybe.

She gains abilities after overcoming a situation/difficulty and it is said that she has already done everything that would be impossible and everything was boring, so her having the ability to create a universe is clearly related to having survived the Big Bang, that would not be context enough to put her at least as "possibly 3-A physically" or put her back to 3-A?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, put me on disagree with regards to Low 1-A. Seems all there is is this blink-and-you'll-miss-it piece of text in the background mentioning a "Transcends Dimensions skill," which by extension obviously lacks all the elaboration needed to actually fit the bill even with the new standards. That'll be a no from me.

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Yeah, put me on disagree with regards to Low 1-A. Seems all there is is this blink-and-you'll-miss-it piece of text in the background mentioning a "Transcends Dimensions skill," which by extension obviously lacks all the elaboration needed to actually fit the bill even with the new standards. That'll be a no from me.

Any thoughts on 3-A?

 

[Agnaa]

Focusing on 3-A stuff, and stuff where I have something new to say.

In general, it was close enough and proportional to each event, we can see this several times on the page, now it would be a question of believing how close it would like to be, whether it would be close enough or not to see the event, although it is a different case to that of earth, after all she wouldn't need to be a huge distance away to have the good view she wanted because it's an explosion after all, she could be so close or not so far away for that. At least change the "likely far higher" and just leave "far higher", her being 8-C withstanding the Big Bang is ridiculous, ok we don't know what tier the feat would be, but at least remove the possibly and cite it as made of tier, if you don't want 3-A.

I don't understand your suggestion.

So you're literally saying that you personally believe that he just made a mistake when it came to posting something and that's why the profile shouldn't list them?? You are literally at the part where it doesn't matter, we must assume that the fight happened and somehow, happy ending in which the destruction did not occur in an unknown way, but we know that she used certain skills, so she could have a very high tier with your skills like 3-A

Based on which skills?

One thing I thought about now, if Ajimu gains skills passively when facing difficulties, then wouldn't that prove that she has endured the universe at level 3-A? After all, she faced the difficulty of withstanding a Big Bang and passively obtained an ability to do so, in addition, Ajimu mentions that she always tried to do impossible things and that the only thing left was to make Zenkichi overcome Medaka and while seeking the impossible, she achieved her abilities, this greatly supports a narrative of her being 3-A.

This just does not follow. Gaining skills from facing impossibly difficult events does not imply that she's 3-A. If withstanding the Big Bang was an opportunity for her to gain an ability, it could be such even if she suffered energies as low as 9-B from it.

Well, even if we consider that it took months for her to go to another dimension and to another, we have to remember firstly that she is leaving for one universe and going to another, that would easily be Mftl+, so it should be listed with something like " at least Mftl+ in movement speed (can travel between universes without an ability that does it for her) or possibly

No. She has an ability to do that, and the places she travels to (inside people's hearts) aren't necessarily at least one observable universe away.

And just remember that Ajimu chooses to be fair with the script.

I don't think that instance of "She can do this, she just chooses not to" means that every time she says "I cannot do this", we're actually supposed to interpret that as her choosing to hold back.

So let's translate or at least use the translation we got to support something, I don't see completely ruling it out as being fair here, it's quite radical

Go find a human to translate it, then. We don't allow MTL due to it often getting relevant stuff wrong.

 

[Robo432343]

shouldn't this be closed
it has 3 staff rejections

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

shouldn't this be closed
it has 3 staff rejections

Probably yeah.

Also, thumbs down from me on these upgrades until more evidence somehow drops (outside of machine translations)

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

3-A is still being discussed, only Low 1-A has been completely disagreed with

 

[Random_Bill_Cipher_tard]

Focusing on 3-A stuff, and stuff where I have something new to say.

I don't understand your suggestion.

Based on which skills?

This just does not follow. Gaining skills from facing impossibly difficult events does not imply that she's 3-A. If withstanding the Big Bang was an opportunity for her to gain an ability, it could be such even if she suffered energies as low as 9-B from it.

No. She has an ability to do that, and the places she travels to (inside people's hearts) aren't necessarily at least one observable universe away.

I don't think that instance of "She can do this, she just chooses not to" means that every time she says "I cannot do this", we're actually supposed to interpret that as her choosing to hold back.

Go find a human to translate it, then. We don't allow MTL due to it often getting relevant stuff wrong.

This just does not follow. Gaining skills from facing impossibly difficult events does not imply that she's 3-A. If withstanding the Big Bang was an opportunity for her to gain an ability, it could be such even if she suffered energies as low as 9-B from it.

This doesn't even make sense, a narrative worked with Ajimu being able to make it possible and that nothing was really dangerous for her, if we assume that she is below 3-Her narrative only sounds strange. She's bored because she did everything that was impossible and never went through a real risk situation, but literally the first thing she actually witnessed was the Big Bang, she had to stay super far away to avoid dying? She proves to be superior to everything she has witnessed, this is well done, we have proof that she can gain an ability, her staying far enough to be something at such a low level would not be a challenge that she has changed, just avoid dying.

Based on which skills?

universe creation

No. She has an ability to do that, and the places she travels to (inside people's hearts) aren't necessarily at least one observable universe away.

Can you please stop ignoring my arguments?? it's literally saying that she moves from one reality to another, plus I literally showed that she already has an ability to dimensional travel

I don't think that instance of "She can do this, she just chooses not to" means that every time she says "I cannot do this", we're actually supposed to interpret that as her choosing to hold back.

Yes, she had to hold back

Go find a human to translate it, then. We don't allow MTL due to it often getting relevant stuff wrong.

Do you know someone who knows how to translate?

 

[Agnaa]

3-A has also been completely disagreed with, and this latest post doesn't actually add any new arguments (three of them were already addressed by the comment it's replying to, one of them was addressed in my first comment in this thread, and one of them is a question about translation).

Closing. As mentioned before, if you convince three staff members through their profiles/DMs that this argument should be accepted, another thread could be made.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.