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Meh it's probably like MHS+
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Seven Deadly Sin Revisions(Speed)
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So rn it's 9 agree and about 3 disagrees.
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I got that when using Google translate but then I looked at the Kanji and the Kanji for At the speed of Light 光の速さ and what's on the text, 閃光の如 which are somewhat similar and translate to "Like a Flash of Light" and on top of that this what ran by someone who translates Japanese to English and he confirmed it
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Iirc he said it was from a Q/a but yeah ask him
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This topic has been refused before, and as I said, I don't see anything new here and apparently this causes scaling issues. So if there isn't something new I'm inclined to disagree (about the SoL statement)
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Yeah I was right... the translations for that one Flash like speed which wouldn't warrant Lightspeed but if you looking at the Kanji 閃光の如 in the text it translates to At the Speed of a Flash Of Light. I bet the reason why it got rejected was due to the translation used. And to make the translation a bit more consistent a friend of mine ran this through a translator and he said " capable of moving at the speed of a flash of light"
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That doesn’t look like a question been answered but well let’s wait for him
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Yeah. Just tried out a better source of translation of “like a flash of light” . But the wording of “speed of flash of light” is more inclined to being hyperbolic tbh. It’s more like a short time frame of on and off of a flash. Hence, why I disagree.
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Not what I said.. you don’t get it… my wording implies the movement across a distance over a short timeframe similar to the short timeframe between when light is turned on and then off.
for example,
Goku stands by a light switch and tells Goten to stand by a box of tortillas 10m away, tells him to go as soon as the light is switched on and come back as soon as it’s switched off
Goku switches on the light for half a second and switches it off. Goten completed the mission
How fast was Goten, the speed of light? Or 20m/s?
20m/s.
Edit: it’s actually about 40m/s since he comes back
Oh let me check it out
was it accepted?
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I'm not trying to come off rude but why are you so quick to rule it out as hyperbolic? Also did you miss the "literally part" of the text?
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Do You agree that Light has A set speed?
If you do the Timeframe you Gave in your analogy is off because Light wouldn't move 10m in less than half a second. But since you're finding the speed of Gohan that's cool but really doesn't go through anything I contested
Btw If Light is Traveling 20m at its set speed(299,792458m/s) the Timeframe is now 6.6712819e-8 seconds and since Gohan is Traveling the exact distance Yes he Would be Light speed.
Again I'm not trying to sound rude or aggressive.
If you do the Timeframe you Gave in your analogy is off because Light wouldn't move 10m in less than half a second. But since you're finding the speed of Gohan that's cool but really doesn't go through anything I contested
You do Know Short timeframe is a really vague range?
Btw If Light is Traveling 20m at its set speed(299,792458m/s) the Timeframe is now 6.6712819e-8 seconds and since Gohan is Traveling the exact distance Yes he Would be Light speed.
Again I'm not trying to sound rude or aggressive.
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It's only been evaluated by one person who told me to add on Meliodas swinging distance but other than that I believe he believes the math checks out?
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This is the problem with "-flash of light" it refers to a short time frame in which light comes on and off, pretty vague in its own right
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That’s the point, “the speed of a flash of light” is vague as I interpreted it
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Asura, True Magic scales way above Prime DK who is at least twice as powerful as 50% DK. Him losing True Magic form to destroy the commandments was plot in order to make Meliodas stay in Britannia.
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Ohh okay, will check it out
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no its proven even if hes not sure also zel can use demon mark to make it ftl+ or 2x ftl via merlin saying he doubled the speed
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Your supposed to count the votes and put it in the post itself
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If there is a disagreement in the translation, I think we should ask a member in the translation thread to take a look. If I remember correctly, the translation is "like a flash of light", usually here on this site this type of statement is treated as hyperbole and refused. The understanding is that phrases that have "like a lightning", "like a flash", "like a flash of light", "like a light" and so on are just non-literal comparisons. An example I remember is about the "Lariat" in Naruto, whose translation reads "like light-speed" and was treated as hyperbole.
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I wasn't talking about his doubled speed.
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But what are your thoughts on the sub rel calc?
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I don't think we will have any scaling problems, so if the calculation is correct, I agree.
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Ask majin he was supposed to count the votes and add them to the post.
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I’m not ruling out any part of the context itself and I didn’t rule it out as hyperbolic straight up. “The speed of a flash of light” is pretty vague when u want it to be used as a context of establishing SoL - FTL feat as explained by Arnoldstone18 above. Hence why I said it might/can be a hyperbole in said context. It’s fine, we are just discussing so I don’t find ur rebuttals offensive.
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You're right to call it hyperbole, as that's how the site usually treats things like this.
"閃光の如 = Senkō no gotoki". If i remember, "gotoki" is a kanji for "like/similar to/same as", it's a non-literal comparison, it doesn't mean it actually moves at the speed of a flash of light.
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Oh boy i have alot to reply to
Why would it be Hyperbole when the text literally says it literally moves at the speed of a flash of light. The difference between the Lariat translation in naruto and this one is the word Literal. It doesn't even say like a flash, it's pretty straightforward
Again refer to the point above for the hyperbole rebuttal.
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I will try to explain this to the best of my abilities
Your Problems with the statement to sum it up is the vague timeframe given by the definition of a flash of light
But here's my problem with your problems
- The Timeframe here is Irrelevant as Light has a Set Speed (299792458m/s)
- Replying to Shey: "Flash of Light" isn't only refers to a short timeframe but Speed(Light). To explain Further, Flash by definition is a sudden brief burst of bright light or a sudden glint from a reflective surface(Noun). Or move or pass very quickly (Verb). If This statement was At the Speed of a Flash i would agree with you as the timeframe would be vague and distance is unknown to quantify it's speed, but this statement is a double package of both speed and time albeit the time is vague but isn't much or less as important because what i'm pushing and what the statement is implying is how fast Lucdociel is.
- Replying to Arnold: The time is vague, the speed isn't.
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@speedster352 I did the thing
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So a "short timeframe" with vaguely short time is what warrants the proposed SoL scaling?
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No the Timeframe is almost irrelevant to the proposed speed
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So what's next?
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Not trying to be Nitpicky but it does say the speed of a flash… But you choose to ignore it because “-of light” is also involved in that phrase. shouldn’t matter because they’re literally the same thing
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Flash has several definitions one can interpret in an argument if it was only speed of a flash where as Flash Of light is specific and helps gauge the speed its moving, one is left for interpretation another is straightforward
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Which brings the problem of which one should we objectively hold true?
There are not enough contexts to discern.
I’ll wait for more input from others on the matter before I consider changing my stance.
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What does that mean?
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