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They do, or at least usually do. I've heard it described as basically being used to **** off and heal before actually dying, and that makes sense given the translation.
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Servants Invulnerability downgrade
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Why would it be limited. Servants are naturally spirits, they just take form. Against another Servant it's useless to take Spirit Form because they both have spiritual senses and can interact with the immaterial via mana (explained in the mats, which are also linked in the thing I gave).
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Because it isn't passive, it needs to be activated at will. Servant's might be Spirit's but that doesn't necessarily make them intangible by default, they're seen as solid much how like Shinigami in Bleach are. It's evidently clear that Servant's aren't intangible unless they use their Spirit / Ethereal forms.
I've also seen cases like this that use "Selective Intangibility."
I've also seen cases like this that use "Selective Intangibility."
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But that's what Intangibility is. If it was passive it would be Incorporeality
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That's not necessarily true, Logia's have passive intang, but they aren't incorporeal. Passive intang is just that, being Passively intangible. You still have a body, it's just Passively intangible. Incorporeality is lacking a form all together.
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You said earlier how you didn’t understand how they came to the conclusion that servants can be hurt by something on their level. “I still don't understand how you come to the conclusion that they can be hurt by anything on their level?”
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I guess it would just be listed as Selective Intangibility. That's the more common use of it anyway afaik.
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I misread what was being said, ig this can be ignored
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You don't put Limited on intangibility if it just needs to be activated
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I think it would be limited if only few parts of their body become intangible
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Limited is more like you can't be completely intangible, yeah.
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Selective Intangibility then.
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It's not really selective. It just needs to be activated. Selective intangibility is for when you're only intangible to certain things (Like how Star Platinum can phase through someone's body and grab their heart)
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Yeah, that's clearly referring to Servant's physical superiority over normal humans, not some kind of special invulnerability.
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iirc, i vaguely remember a servant being shot and the bullet just pass through him and hits the master. I think it was fate/zero?
Though, i suppose an argument can be made that its inconsistently portrayedSeparate the canons. don't kill me its a joke.
Though, i suppose an argument can be made that its inconsistently portrayed
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Does that not happen in the anime? Because I don't remember that. Only two masters that died from bullets were far away from their servants.
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How does Fate canon works? everything is canon?
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Yep. Fate is fucky like that
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what is the evidence to everything be canon?
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Yeah, according from Nasu (can't remember so don't take it too seriously)
Even Summer events was counted as canon (Summer 2018 and 2019)
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Nasu stated it. Most works of fate are different timelines tho
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I agree with removing invulnerablity and replacing it with Seletive Intang.
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Anyway i agree on the removal of invulnerability and changing it to selective intangtibility
But said the intangtibility would'nt be combat applicable, no?
But said the intangtibility would'nt be combat applicable, no?
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Why wouldnt it be? They use it to make stuff pass through them, it doesnt work with servants cause they have NPI.
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So something like Logia effect? If that's the case then alright
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Kind of but not passive (I think).
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I may not be a Nasuverse expert, but I and many other users have always felt their hax has been prone to NLF. Being immune to all modern weapons or being immune to all thrown attacks always seemed far too vague and full of loopholes. So I'm willing to agree with the OP unless someone who knows more can get a more specific scan that says otherwise.
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Not really. They've never shown that and we can't really assume they can.
IIRC Astolfo only putting part of a Servant into Spirit Form is considered super unusual.
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Mara
that is all that needs to be said really
also, the unusual part with Astolfo is him forcing other servants into spirit form with the "falling" thing.
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I fully agree with the OP.
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So, can this be applied now? Majority seems agree with the removal of invulnerability and changing it to selective intangtibility
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"Nullify" could just mean they're too strong to be affected by them.
The second thing could also easily mean that a Servant is too strong to be affected by the attack, espesially since some mundane rocks damaged a Servant's armor.
OK. That could just mean he's strong enough to survive a normal rocket launcher. All we have for Mainyu's power is "Stronger than normal humans" and "Weaker than Bazett", that's a pretty big gap. Bazett's way higher than average rocket launchers on this website. Roman specified a rocket launcher, not something like a gun or a sword, further implying it's raw power and not just magic.
The second thing could also easily mean that a Servant is too strong to be affected by the attack, espesially since some mundane rocks damaged a Servant's armor.
OK. That could just mean he's strong enough to survive a normal rocket launcher. All we have for Mainyu's power is "Stronger than normal humans" and "Weaker than Bazett", that's a pretty big gap. Bazett's way higher than average rocket launchers on this website. Roman specified a rocket launcher, not something like a gun or a sword, further implying it's raw power and not just magic.
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it also could be damage nullification, none of these cases are invulnerability, yeah
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Invulnerability is an extremely powerful ability, and you need a lot of definitive evidence to prove something like it. A few vague things here and there isn't enough.
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So....selective intangtibility and damage nullification are the way we go?
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Because it could be that without prana, the attacks are too weak to harm them?
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