They can do it at will but never fight with it.It will be combat applicable since servants can go into their intangible (or incorporeal form) at will Cu did it to enter Emiya household in the beginning of fate stay night.
Emphasis mine.Servant [Sorcery]
Source: Fate/side material (2004-1-30), p.061
Fate Dictionary
Heroic Spirits summoned by the Holy Grail. A type of familiar.
They are souls of the highest purity, called forth using artifacts linked to the Heroic Spirits, into seven classes (containers) prepared in advance. Properly speaking, they are not something that can be controlled by humans, but because they are burdened by the authority of the command spell, the “absolute condition for materialization” carved into them at the moment of summoning, they have no choice but to cooperate with their Master. They are also capable of reverting into an immaterial spirit form at will, and while in this state can slip through inorganic substances that don’t contain much mana. When Lancer dropped down from the ceiling during his surprise attack on the Emiya residence, he used this spirit form to slip through the roof, then rematerialized once he reached the living room. Also, while they are immune to normal physical interference in spirit form, their ability to affect the material world drops as well, making it advantageous to materialize for battles.
Well in fate redline servant battle in the middle of a nuke, and not all servant are 6-C in dura, many are 9-B but they still can't be harm.Even if Servants were to get downgraded to Low 7-B, I feel like random masters who in general don't act aware of real world weapons (Assuming they're typical like the Tohsakas), and probably wouldn't consider nukes in every statement.
It's not like nukes are plausible for them to get, reasonable to use, or even effective since their magecraft works just as well if not better, so it makes sense they wouldn't consider them.
And here the spiritual "corpora" is not their spirit form. As here it's tell that even when they are in material form their still spiritual "corpora"For the record I do agree, but not for the reasons given here (honestly pretty bad lol)
The scans used are mistranslated, as seen here.
TL;DR, Servants have Invulnerability, yes. Via Intangibility. They render all modern weapons useless via spirit form.
This does make Intangibility more usable in fights with opponents with no NPI or ESP, so, yay.
Some servant are 9-B so not possible + normal thing added with accidental prana doens't go up in dura/AP which mean these rock that affect Ruler armor is not 6-C now. And if you ask Ruler jeanne can't go on spiritual from too she use a human body to be here.That could just mean that only magecraft is powerful enough to damage a Servant, since there's literally no real-world weapon that could even scratch them by our site's standards, even nuclear weapons.
Wait, you agree on Regi argument or what?Same.
I meant same as you, switching to neutral.Wait, you agree on Regi argument or what?
Doesn't the description already answers everything? You cannot.hurt servant unless you use some form of supernatural energy(magic) or it possesses a certain amount of age, the rin that was mentioned that harmed servants used magic, no human can fight servants without magic comprised with what was said, I will have to stay neutral for now
Well, you have Cu died in two car accident...Doesn't the description already answers everything? You cannot.hurt servant unless you use some form of supernatural energy(magic) or it possesses a certain amount of age, the rin that was mentioned that harmed servants used magic, no human can fight servants without magic comprised with what was said, I will have to stay neutral for now
Doesn't these two death are in the comical aspect?Well, you have Cu died in two car accident...
Well, you have Cu died in two car accident...
How old were the cars? Definitely vintages
How's Rin quote doesn't confirm anything? Just askingWell we should probably have that interview and not a random Rin quote that dosn't actually confirm anything.
Because of this, I guess?How's Rin quote doesn't confirm anything? Just asking
There's no reason to believe that Servants are immune to modern weapons that are on their level, and there's no reason to assume that Rin included things like nukes when she said that (Espesially since Rin in general lacks knowledge of modern technology, making it unlikely she even knows nuclear bombs exist, and even if she does she probably dosn't know exactly how strong they are).
Uh, even dudes who dk shit about technology knows about nukes.Because of this, I guess?
Everyone knows about nukesBecause of this, I guess?
Because of this, I guess?
I beg your pardon? The proper translation shown above outright says this, plain and simple.The selective intangibility dosn't seem to let Servants dodge attacks. We have no real reason to assume this is the case.
That specific translation iirc can be interpreted as "Servants > Modern Weapons"I beg your pardon? The proper translation shown above outright says this, plain and simple.
We are evidently not speaking about the same thing, so I'll link it again. This is what is being used.That specific translation iirc can be interpreted as "Servants > Modern Weapons"
Other translations support this sort of thing better.
Except Artoria doesn't have access to it, as said by Regi.We are evidently not speaking about the same thing, so I'll link it again. This is what is being used.
Now, unless I cannot read, this is pretty clearly saying that Servants are immune to modern weapons specifically because said things can phase through their spiritual bodies, as in spirit form. Spirit form not being combat applicable would make that entire explanation impossible.
Their not intangible in their base form at last for the common servant whitout a skill/special thing that let them be intangible."Spiritual bodies." is what I saw in those translations (not even sure if they're legitimate or not, you linked a random sight instead of getting the paragraph translated here.) and that doesn't always mean they're intangible. Especially with the way its used here makes me think that the "Spiritual bodies." are indeed physical much like how they are in Records of Ragnarrok, Bleach and a few other franchises.
Can I get scans of Servant's actively being intangible whilst in base and not their Ethereal form?
Artoria is the context here. Shirou thinks saber can't be harmed by normal means because of her armour. Saber asks Rin to correct Shirou on that and then Rin corrects Shirou by stating this@Yuri
... and? What exactly does this matter to anything other than Artoria herself? Even besides that Regidian's posts are downright incomprehensible. I am aware that english probably isn't his first language but that isn't helping me.
... yes... I think? I'm not sure what you're trying to say but I am aware that Saber specifically cannot enter Spirit Form.Artoria is the context here. Shirou thinks saber can't be harmed by normal means because of her armour. Saber asks Rin to correct Shirou on that and then Rin corrects Shirou by stating this
This statement can't be about servant intangibility because saber can't become intangible
This +Artoria is the context here. Shirou thinks saber can't be harmed by normal means because of her armour. Saber asks Rin to correct Shirou on that and then Rin corrects Shirou by stating this
This statement can't be about servant intangibility because saber can't become intangible
This +Doesn't these two death are in the comical aspect?
But anyways even in the long past when servant was not that strong in physically/durability, Nasu tell that modern weapon that have more destructive power than them(servant) would still not do a thing to them
Q: How strong are Servants?
Nasu: Well you see, attack power is about the same as one fighter. A fighter has way too much power for one person too stand up against, but to destroy one city they'll have to refuel many times. But what makes these guys dangerous is that since they're spiritual bodies, regular weapons won't work against them. As far as destructive power goes, there are more numerous powerful weapons among modern ones, but as normal weapons won't do a thing to them, they're among the most powerful. Anyway, just as fighters can load a nuclear warhead, they each have their own Noble Phantasms and among the Servants there are ones that have ridiculously powerful ones. That's why when I meant strength being the same as a fighter I thought it would be easier to image.
The statement is about her. So how can Rin be referring to Spirit Form when she explains why Artoria herself can't be hurt.... yes... I think? I'm not sure what you're trying to say but I am aware that Saber specifically cannot enter Spirit Form.
"Spiritual bodies." is what I saw in those translations (not even sure if they're legitimate or not, you linked a random sight instead of getting the paragraph translated here.) and that doesn't always mean they're intangible. Especially with the way its used here makes me think that the "Spiritual bodies." are indeed physical much like how they are in Records of Ragnarrok, Bleach and a few other franchises.
Can I get scans of Servant's actively being intangible whilst in base and not their Ethereal form?
Emphasis mine.Spiritual Body and Material Body
“Spiritual Body” is a word that describes an existence with spiritual properties. In other words, a shape is constructed without relying on components with physical properties. On the other hand, “Material Body” means something that is identical in structure as our flesh bodies. A Material Body, just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton. However, a Spirit Body is capable of completely disregarding such physical interference. Attacking a Spiritual Body with a baton or sword (unless they are magical items) will only hit empty space.
When Servants materialise, they acquire Material Bodies in this world. They can also switch to Spiritual Bodies through their will. Spiritual Bodies have the advantages such as low mana consumption, and difficult to be detected by enemies. One of the properties of a Spiritual Body is that it is unaffected by physical interference, but conversely it is difficult for a Spiritual Body to affect a Material Body. As a result, Servants Materialise when engaging in combat.
How to Defeat A Servant
When a Heroic Spirit emerges into this world, he first acquires a Spiritual Core. The Heroic Spirit then materialises as the body envelopes this Spiritual Core. In order to defeat a Heroic Spirit, one must inflict damage to the Spiritual Core. The Spiritual Core gradually diminishes as a result of massive magical energy expenditure or sustaining bodily damage. Under these adverse conditions, the Heroic Spirit’s expenditure of magical energy will escalate, and should damaged be inflicted through powerful magical energy, curse, or Noble Phantasm, the Spiritual Core will be destroyed, and the Heroic Spirit will no long be able to remain materialised. The heart and head are connected directly to the Spiritual Core, thus they are the weaknesses of Heroic Spirits. Sustaining damage at these locations will significantly weaken the Spiritual Core.
Battle of Servants
The battle between Servants can be called a process of gradually shaving off the magical energy that forms the their bodies. Attacks that consume a great amount of magical energy will inflict a massive amount of damage on the opponent, but it will also weaken yourself in the process. In order to inflict a great amount of damage with minimum expenditure of magical energy, it is necessary to collect intelligence regarding the enemy and assault his weakness.
As a remember - the material body is actualized/materialized around this Spiritual Core. Material Bodies are like exoskeletons to this Spiritual Core - the vital organ of the Servant, the Vessel in which the Heroic Spirit emanation exists, as a Soul, anchored to the Master, bound by Command Seals.Q: Can the spiritual core of a Servant be thought of as a vital area that, if destroyed, would cause instantaneous death, like a human’s heart or brain?
A: The heart and brain are certainly vital organs. Though they are different from the spiritual core, they can be considered organs directly connected to the core.
When the spiritual core is weakened through energy consumption or damage to the physical body, powerful energies, spells, and Noble Phantasms can no longer be materialized, and the Servant will disappear.
Except it might also just mean Servants > All modern weapons.explaining that they are unable to be harmed unless the object used is suffused with Prana (making it magical/mysterious)
you realize that non-combat servants exist, right?Except it might also just mean Servants > All modern weapons.
Actually it does, Reitai (霊体). Or let me correct myself - there isn't Material Form and Spiritual Form (Form is already used to mean other things in the Nasuverse) , its Material Body and Spiritual Body. It probably is Fallacies translation, he likes to use some archaic language and synonyms that are... well, awkward. Cerebral Corpus instead of Brain Body comes to mind immediately.Spirit corpora doesn't mean spirit form, as evidenced by the fact that Saber is completely unable to use spirit form in FSN
And the CM itself says Material Bodies ''just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton''The example from Apoc is also pretty explicit, explaining that they are unable to be harmed unless the object used is suffused with Prana (making it magical/mysterious)
We have here that tell that even when their are materialized, they are still spiritual corpora and so conventional weapon can't inuty them.Actually it does, Reitai (霊体). Or let me correct myself - there isn't Material Form and Spiritual Form, its Material Body and Spiritual Body. It probably is Fallacies translation, he likes to use some archaic language and synonyms that are... well, awkward. Cerebral Corpus instead of Brain Body comes to mind immediately.
And the CM itself says Material Bodies ''just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton''
Same with here being directly stated by Nasu.Doesn't these two death are in the comical aspect?
But anyways even in the long past when servant was not that strong in physically/durability, Nasu tell that modern weapon that have more destructive power than them would still not do a thing to them
Q: How strong are Servants?
Nasu: Well you see, attack power is about the same as one fighter. A fighter has way too much power for one person too stand up against, but to destroy one city they'll have to refuel many times. But what makes these guys dangerous is that since they're spiritual bodies, regular weapons won't work against them. As far as destructive power goes, there are more numerous powerful weapons among modern ones, but as normal weapons won't do a thing to them, they're among the most powerful. Anyway, just as fighters can load a nuclear warhead, they each have their own Noble Phantasms and among the Servants there are ones that have ridiculously powerful ones. That's why when I meant strength being the same as a fighter I thought it would be easier to image.
But anyways you are telling that servant can be wounded normally or not? I don't understand much where you standActually it does, Reitai (霊体). Or let me correct myself - there isn't Material Form and Spiritual Form (Form is already used to mean other things in the Nasuverse) , its Material Body and Spiritual Body. It probably is Fallacies translation, he likes to use some archaic language and synonyms that are... well, awkward. Cerebral Corpus instead of Brain Body comes to mind immediately.
And the CM itself says Material Bodies ''just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton''
The fact that arturia who can't have a spiritual body is immune to modern weapon.
1. If you count thing like a nuke (it's not really physical) then they could as in redline their was just battle in the middle of one. For plasma don't know, not sure that was even used on servant one time.A few things need to be specified, however, and it seems these would mostly be lines in the sand for us to draw since they're what-ifs that even Nasu probably hasn't mentioned (Also ignore pre-existing servant durability and resistances and such excluding the invincibility):
This is a really strong ability and we cannot afford to be vague.
- Are Servants immune to non-physical weapons, such as plasma blasts? (Ex. Iron Man's Repulsor Blasts)
- Are Servants immune to weapons utilizing non-technological things, such as the elements? (Ex. Star Lord's Element Gun)
- Are Servants immune to nonmagical, but clearly supernatural abilities? (Ex. Most Pokémon attacks)
- Are Servants immune to modern weapons enhanced by nonmagical supernatural abilities? (Zora's the only example I can think of but there's probably more)
- Is the old enough weapons working thing an actual thing or did we make that up?
- If so, would a character from the future using a modern weapon work on a Servant?
- Also, how old does a weapon need to be to work?
No. A random weapon, as it gets old, will just rust away. The reason Kuji Kanesada had 500 years and was still in perfect state was because it was special from the very moment of it's conception as the sword was forged by Kanesada. If things were like that, any random rock could be a 200k years old, Age of Dragons Mystery, it doesn't make any sense.
- Is the old enough weapons working thing an actual thing or did we make that up?
Depends. Even in the Nasuverse, Magic only exists as far as Human ''Progress'' doesn't shine it's light over the Mystery behind it and integrate into the Human Order. Technology that has been shown to affect spirits/ghosts would work on the Servants spiritual bodies probably, if we apply versr equalization.
- If so, would a character from the future using a modern weapon work on a Servant?
Kanshou and Bakuya were born as blades of enormous power from their very start. (The original ones.)
- Also, how old does a weapon need to be to work?
Yeah noThis is repeat ad nauseam, but somehow people still have this misconception that age itself someone is important to everything. The ONLY GROUP OF EXISTENCES that accumulates power by the accumulation of time lived/life spam are Phantasmal Species.
No, even if we accepted my brother's theory that the human body still was as a black box, and the Mystery within it was not yet entirely erased, the fact that modern magi in the field couldn't compare to even antiques from hundreds of years ago was an undeniable fact.
It's because knowledge stabilizes the existence of the mystery, not because older stuff isn't more powerful and that only applies to Phantasmal SpeciesAs a Mystery propagates, it loses power. However, the reason they become more stable as knowledge about them spreads, though it may seem contradictory at first glance, is because of this system of Magical Foundations. In the present day, the most widespread and most powerful Magical Foundation is the “Teachings of God,” used by the Holy Church.
Of course, there also exist families who develop magical formulas entirely independent of such Foundations, and weirdos like Flat who “build an entirely new formula from scratch every time"
No... It says something can be just old. Flat is basically a monster bron human, that would be erased by the Counter-force if Waver didn't gained his ''respect'' and worked as a moral guide. And, at least as far as I know, there isn't even such a thing as ''can't reporduce a Crest spell'',Yeah it's pretty explicit that the age gave it the power, I'm not sure where this assumption that only Phantasmal Species have the "age=more mystery" thing is from, but not only is this never said afaik, the complete opposite is shown above
Other examples that its all things which gain power with age include Caster of Black requesting exclusively 800+ year old gems and parchment for the golems (mentioned to be a pretty common thaumatergical ingredient, evidently because of their power), and the following quote from Case Files
Which says that modern magi couldn't compare to the mystery of even antiques from long ago, showing yet again, the age=power thing applying to more than Phantasmal Species
I knew there was this quote. Too me a while to find though.“Old swords build up their own mystery and belief around their ancient history, and so become weapons capable of even cutting spells shaped from the Art,” explains Miss Tōko. “So don’t take that thing out again. I won’t be responsible for any eldritch horrors you may unleash spiriting you away.”
- Volume 2, Paradox Spiral, Page 109
You are using ''knowledge'' with a very different conotation here. The type of ''knowledge'' that strengths the Foundations is the recognition of something as a possibility, so much so that the Holy Church is the strongest Foundation in modern times. The Knowledge the Magi accumulate is how to perform the spells, generally trying to give a shape to the Mystery -> put into their Crest if part of the classic type o Western Magi, aka, sharing the Mystery ''Output''.Now before the whole "but magecraft gets power through knowledge so age clearly only matters for Phantasmal Species" thing is mentioned, Case Files also explained that
It's because knowledge stabilizes the existence of the mystery, not because older stuff isn't more powerful and that only applies to Phantasmal Species=
A Servant in spirit form was incapable of taking any offensive or defensive measures. If a Master or other mage possessed the means of attacking a spirit body, they ran the risk of being one-sidedly annihilated. Consequently, remaining in spirit form around hostile Servants and Masters was not a winning strategy. The moment required to rematerialize could also create a fatal opening in a battle of instants. Best to assume it’s already materialized and is hiding somewhere, the chief concluded, and turned a wary eye to his surroundings. There were countless places to hide in the atrium lobby, including the exposed sections of second and third floor hallway. |
It also is a bad translation of the original text.The statement about normal weapons lacking in magic/mystery not being able to harm them is general;
At most you can argue that the text is ambigious, but I'd say that invulnerability is the most reasonable interpretation which is what influenced Mirror Moon's translation. Even then, fallacies who did the retranslation of the passages acknowledged that the Fate/Apocrypha passage is explicit about Servants having invulnrability against attacks wihout Prana.It also is a bad translation of the original text.
Exactlyquestion, Why do we treat old age giving mystery as falling under verse equalization?
Because of a caveat, it's a weakness not a strength. Verse Equalization doesn't automatically Remove any weaknesses. Fate has a distinctive weakness in the form of Mystery being able to bypass Servant Invulnerability, this isn't anything like how Haki from One Piece is needed to interact with Logia's or intang Negation. There's a difference between the two.Exactly
That's a verse mechanic nasuverse has
And no other verse shares an even similar mechanic
And VBW doesn't even allow for characters to get powers from other verses just because of verse equal
That does not answer my first question about why should it be equalized in the first palce since the mechanic is so differentBecause of a caveat, it's a weakness not a strength. Verse Equalization doesn't automatically Remove any weaknesses. Fate has a distinctive weakness in the form of Mystery being able to bypass Servant Invulnerability, this isn't anything like how Haki from One Piece is needed to interact with Logia's or intang Negation. There's a difference between the two.
It's not a weakness though. It's the same as jiren being stronger then Hit's time-skip, not a weakness of the ability but the mystery being stronger then the Invulnerability.Because of a caveat, it's a weakness not a strength. Verse Equalization doesn't automatically Remove any weaknesses. Fate has a distinctive weakness in the form of Mystery being able to bypass Servant Invulnerability
To use that as a comparison, It's like treating it as if verse equalization gives the opponent Haki if they have high willpower.this isn't anything like how Haki from One Piece is needed to interact with Logia's or intang Negation. There's a difference between the two.
yeah exactlyTo use that as a comparison, It's like treating it as if verse equalization gives the opponent Haki if they have high willpower.
Do you have something of your own to add to the discussion?yeah exactly
It's not ambiguous in the way you are implying, though.
The phrase says servants (without saying specific form) can't be harmed in ''normal ways'', then say that harming them through physical means is the ''right'' of Servants only. The translation adds the ''physical'' in the first phrase from nowhere. It never specificies it. It just says ''in normal ways''.
Mirror Moon:Not just Saber, all Servants are Heroic Spirits you know? There's the fact that they're spirit bodies too, but they can't be hurt by normal means. A Servant itself is a mystery after all.The only ones that can hurt a Servant with physical means is another Heroic Spirit, that is, a Servant. On the other hand, if it's between Servants, it's possible to hurt Saber with a mere paper knife." |
fallaciesUnrestricted to Saber alone, Servants are all Heroic Spirits, you know?There's also the matter of their being spiritual corpora, of course, but if it's by straightforward means ("aboveboard / proper" "means / measures"), they won't take a single injury. Servants are themselves inherently Mysteries, after all. Rendering injury to a Servant by physical means ("of or relating to physics / the physical principles") is strictly the prerogative of Servants who are likewise Heroic Spirits. Conversely, if the attacker is another Servant, it would be possible for them to render injury to Saber with even a generic paper knife. |
Correction - people, when interpreting the phrase, add a ''physical''Not really, here is the Mirror Moon's translation with fallacies' translation (with the Japanese comparision removed for ease of reading)
There's the story about modern weapons, usable by anyway, not being possibilities as NPs, isn't there?I am partial to verse equalization applying if the weapon in question was highly revered by humans in addition to being ancient. Mystery (largely based on the collective unconsciousness of humanity) is much more passive than Haki.
Heard Shimousa has iffy translations sometimes so we should probably double check thatBy the by Fuuma supports that servants can't be harmed by ordinary attacks with his own word. Albeit that is in English Shimousa.
Gotcha, I just mentioned that when I saw it but now I'd have to track it down again since I'm nearly done with Shimousa lolHeard Shimousa has iffy translations sometimes so we should probably double check that
Do you remember the part?By the by Fuuma supports that servants can't be harmed by ordinary attacks with his own word. Albeit that is in English Shimousa.
I think it's during the "rescue the kids" part in the bamboo woods.Do you remember the part?
OP is saying that mystery doesn't make you invulnerable while everyone is saying that's wrong. and an argument on whether or not the age of something bypassing the invul should be verse equalized.can I get a TL;DR to what's happening?
No, I said that the scan we gave for invulnerability dosn't give invulnerability.OP is saying that mystery doesn't make you invulnerable while everyone is saying that's wrong. and an argument on whether or not the age of something bypassing the invul should be verse equalized.
At least admit to moving goalposts.It's also a massive NLF to assume Servants are totally immune to any an all modern tech, espesially since the Fate Series has gone out of it's way to specify when NLF bait is legit before. There's no reason to believe that Servants are immune to modern weapons that are on their level
Right now we just need to find a better scans for servants invul rather than Rin mistranslation statement
It took place after the Hell people take the kids.By the by Fuuma supports that servants can't be harmed by ordinary attacks with his own word. Albeit that is in English Shimousa.
Fate/Apocrypha Volumen 2But what makes these guys dangerous is that since they're spiritual bodies, regular weapons won't work against them. As far as destructive power goes, there are more numerous powerful weapons among modern ones, but as normal weapons won't do a thing to them, they're among the most powerful.
Rocks tore through their skin and even damaged part of Ruler's armor. An attack without prana
accompanying it could never harm a Servant. But prana had been loaded to the point of bursting
into the sword he swung, and it had even contaminated the broken pieces of stone.
It was the same as a Servant throwing dirks with prana loaded into them… Though, it was the
first time Ruler had witness of the phenomenon of prana clinging even to fragments smashed
apart with a sword.
No it's staying just going to give better justification. Also this.is invulnerability being removed?
Like I said its the wording I disagree with, Nasu's interview doesn't state said weakness just that nothing can hurt Servant's or that only Servant's can harm Servant's.Idk how it's similar and nlf like the stands thing
This has very defined limits, and is stated and shown more than once in the series (those limits being, it only works on things without magical energy/mystery).
The interview statement just reiterates these facts, it doesn't make the ability have a broader scope or anything that could make it a repeat of the stand thing, or an illegitimate form of citation
Are we gonna grab the raw from the Shimousa statement from Fuuma?@LordGinSama Then what are you gonna provose here? We know that we can't use Rin statement again because that one was vague af
I mean, it says regular/conventional (in the Japanese text) weapons, it's pretty clear that there are limits, and especially using the context of the other statements from before (fsn) and after (apoc fgo, etc) the interviewLike I said its the wording I disagree with, Nasu's interview doesn't state said weakness just that nothing can hurt Servant's or that only Servant's can harm Servant's.
You could just like, use multiple things at once as support@LordGinSama Then what are you gonna provose here? We know that we can't use Rin statement again because that one was vague af
Actually, there are examples. Kuzuki vs Archer after Caster is dead is the first one to come to mind, in UBW anime IIRC.IIRC we've never actually seen Servants attacked with non-magical things. Ever.
No, that isn't at all accurate as far as describing what the answer is. He is answering ''How strong are Servants?'', his answer uses modern weapons to try and illustrate their power level. He doesn't speak about a number of things about Servants, such as the ridiculous amount of energy they use, the need of anchors, etc etc, and those exist in the work anyway. The lack of mention in one specific answer, that isn't even about that specifically, doesn't make it false...Like I said its the wording I disagree with, Nasu's interview doesn't state said weakness just that nothing can hurt Servant's or that only Servant's can harm Servant's.
Did Suzuki even land an attack in that fight?Suzuki vs Archer after Caster is dead is the first one to come to mind