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Holy ****. The highest cardinal ever surpassed.
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Self-reference ENGINE discussion thread
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Berkeley is not the biggest cardinal, as I've said before.
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Is it the reinhardt cardinal or is there a new version
I’m reading the cardinals based on wikipedia
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Berkeley and Reinhardt are above all other large cardinals in Consistency Strength, not sheer size (they might as well be incomparable to the others since they lack axiom of choice so it would be inherently wrong in saying they are bigger than all other cardinals).
Size-wise, the biggest are probably Extendible Cardinals or Ultra-Huge Cardinals.
Size-wise, the biggest are probably Extendible Cardinals or Ultra-Huge Cardinals.
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Has sre surpassed all cardinals now?
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The first hierarchy already reaches the "top" of the large cardinal hierarchy and breached into inconsistency, and considering how we currently equate that to 0=1, then yes it seems to have.
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It's an axiom (not a cardinal), and from it you can derive all large cardinals.
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Gasper is blue and white very far from sre?
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Yes. It can't even reach the first hierarchy. The first out of 0=1 among of hierarchies.
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So your telling me this verse at the weakest surpasses all of our known cardinals
and then it basically creates new stuff that we haven’t even made yet (aka higher than 0=1, which mathematicians haven’t invented yet)
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So where does white and blue stop at then?
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Yes, the hierarchy of logic itself is nothing more than a rung within a higher-level hierarchy. And this hierarchy is also a step within another hierarchy, etc and etc.
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Yes
The first hierarchy scales to 0=1, and then there are 0=1 amount of hierarchies above that. And then laplace demon sees all of that as a dream, beyond that is infinite hierarchies of laplace demons. And all of that is just part of one single story. One out of infinite amount. It's even stated there exists infinite possibilities and impossibilities*possibilities and impossibilities ad infinitum.
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Somewhere at the very bottom of the first hierarchy.
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I don't think so.
Idk, it should be somewhere above inaccessible cardinal but it's not really said where exactly it scales.
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So is blue and white at the highest cardinal?
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Though it is said that there are N to the power of N to the power of N (and this goes into infinity) amount of timelines in blue and white. N=infinity
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Yes. Transcend it.
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but it has surpassed woodin right and at least surpassed pretty much all other verses? (It can’t surpass sre that’s for sure but is it correct that it has surpassed everything else?)
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No. Woodin is far bigger than anything B&W has shown.
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It didn't surpass woodin cardinals.
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Okay but it will be the second strongest verse right on this wiki?
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Potentially on similar level of wod.
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Could it surpass WOD?
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Well at least second place isn’t that bad
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With axiom of infinity? That's like 1-A+ (with this amount of dimension) in standard set theory if there as many amount as all the stages.
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Surpass all axioms and you’ll be the strongest verse
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Where do stuff like ω scale? ω+1 etc, ωω and 2ω?
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So axioms are higher than cardinals.
mind dimensional tiering can be a pain in my brain a lot of times
mind dimensional tiering can be a pain in my brain a lot of times
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If you mean V(omega) it's just omega in cardinality, V(omega + 1) is just aleph one and things like V(omega omega) is aleph-omega omega.
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I wish someone could make a chart as it would make it easier for me to understand
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I am asking this because SRE mentions this stuff and i'm just wondering if Ordinals can be tiered.
