My issue with this is that Naruto didn't fully tame/gain full control over the "Nine-Tails power" until KCM2's debut.
What if, "I'm stronger than when I fought Pain" wasn't restricted to AP
I'll trust your judgment until my lazy ass rereads the series kekw, the last part seems fine from a conservative standpoint.
We discussed this too, Naruto said it immediately after doing something AP related, and there’s no extra context given, so when he says “stronger,” he does in fact, mean strength UwUWhat if, "I'm stronger than when I fought Pain" wasn't restricted to AP
What if, "I'm stronger than when I fought Pain" wasn't restricted to AP
Damage, he crushed the boulder, that’s AP lol
That's not the point. The point is that KN4 and KN6 are what Naruto himself considers to be "Nine-Tail's Power" at that point in time. He doesn't know how powerful Kurama or KCM2 actually are.
If you can offer proof for what the statement could be referring to other than the simplest interpretation, which is strength, then we can discuss this. But as it stands, this is moot.What if, "I'm stronger than when I fought Pain" wasn't restricted to AP
Fair.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that Naruto saying he's grown stronger isn't restricted to AP in that scenario, but then again my knowledge on Naruto is limited to memory, so I can't exactly comment something with substance.
Yes, but unlike Jiraiya who IS proven to be an extremely haxed and brilliant strategist, who almost defeated Pain with said hax and strategies, KCM for Naruto is just a straight up power up. He gains no additional hax or versatility, only a large amount of Kurama's chakra.
Tbh I don’t think you can really make this comparison, because these statements aren’t exactly the same. Pain said Jiraiya could’ve won, not that he was stronger. It’s entirely possible to win a fight while being weaker than someone, plus there’s a lot of extra context here that Slayer brought up earlier.
I mean...
this has nothing to do with AP, it's about chakra control and getting the 8:2 ratio right, later on naruto straight up pushes a much larger tailed beast bomb through Multiple barriers.
Bro, Naruto spams the Rasenshuriken in Sage Mode far more than in KCM lol. He worked around his limitation to use it for up to 6 times, and he used it far more frequently in character.
I don't think this is necessary to prove that KCM is stronger, but yes, this is technically true as well. Naruto stole so much chakra, he made Kurama skinny.
I'm not sure how reliable the Naruto wiki is but there it says that the white zetsus only turned into trees because of their genetical structure
Sage Mode is confirmed to have a better danger sense, and is just more versatile in general when it comes to sensory capabilities.
Naw it's the most pivotal hax in the series.
Only when used by Madara's crush lol.
*husband
Madara longs for Hashi's wood
I think there might've been a panel that shows that naruto stole 5-6 tails perhaps?
And his BIG TREE MUSCLES.
Dunno about tails, but he took a ridiculous amount of chakra. Definitely more than the little leaks that resulted in KN1-6 IMO.
I thought like each tail showcases the level of power, since chakra = AP.
Well, yeah, each consecutive tail resulted in Naruto being stronger, yeah.
Because he’s the Bijuu that’s inside the protagonist smh smh
Well it was showed by how much Momoshiki took to absorb 50% of Kurama's chakra vs how much he took to absorb Gyuki's chakra that Kurama has much more chakra than every other tailed beast, if the ten tails is the mix of the power of every tailed beast at once it shouldn't be too much difference from full Kurama, and Baryon Mode (if I understood correctly) is similar to using all of Kurama's chakra in low amounts of time, so it kinda makes sense (what doesn't make sense is how it shortens the lifespan of the enemy on contact)
Technically Momoshiki only absorbed a tentacle clone of Gyūki, but yeah lol. It doesn't really matter.
Personally I believe that down the line Boruto series will reretcon Ten Tails and it will a god power up again. The series has not been consistent. Jugen/Isshiki even used some Ten Tails chakra...
Wellllll they’ve established that the ten tails can bare fruit that depends on the nutrition from its feed, so they got stuff to work with.
Yall will deal with @GokuSparkle anyway
Not for long.
The anime disagrees.
The anime disagrees.
Just leave any Bijū scaling out of it for now. That will get its own thread because it's a heavy and controversial topic that definitely deserves to be focused on exclusively. We also didn't want the shit show that'll inevitably ensue to interfere with the revisions for the Mid to High tiers...........again.
Imma have a field day tmrw showing Minato's High 7-A+ to probably 6-C+.
RIP lol. Definitely not going away anytime soon at this rateAlso it seems to be consistent that I'm infamous as a Minato wanker now lol. Whether it's VSBW or Quora the rep will never go away.
We'll see how it goes.
The anime disagrees.
Idk about that one.
I mean...I know Bijuu scaling isn't supposed to be brought up but KCM Naruto does have some physical feats against the Bijuu...
To be fair the ways he uses his chakra arms are way more versatile than the way he uses them in V2. Plus the shenanigans he pulled off with those chakra arms were pretty insane.
I'm pretty sure number of tails correlates to percentage of power, so 1 tail for Matatabi's Jinchuriki could for example be 50% while 1 tail for Kurama's Jinchuriki could be like 11% so that would explain it (not saying it would actually be 50% and 11%, just an example)
Orochimaru was literally in front of him, so....Also wasn't it implied Kimimaro helped in the defeat of Rasa implying it was a battle?
Hm..........that's fine I suppose but tbh it's easier arguing for Minato being Tier 6 than High 7-A+ lol, I like working with a handicap anyways (although I might end up bringing up some things Tier 6 related that isn't DIRECTLY related to the Bijuu).Just leave any Bijū scaling out of it for now. That will get its own thread because it's a heavy and controversial topic that definitely deserves to be focused on exclusively. We also didn't want the shit show that'll inevitably ensue to interfere with the revisions for the Mid to High tiers...........again.
RIP lol. Definitely not going away anytime soon at this rate
We'll see how it goes.
Anime's irrelevant and non-canon.
But even if we use it, like, he's still completely featless physically, so it really doesn't matter.
EXTRA COUGH
No Bijuu, no Tier 6, period. The only characters with Tier 6 stuff in the sandboxes are ones that were forgotten in prior revisions.
Anime. Anime not canon. Anime doesn’t get used.
